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Posted on May 21, 2007
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Grainy cell phone footage of the brutal honor killing of 17-year-old Iraqi girl Duaa Khalil Aswad is making its way around the Internet (although the full clip has been taken down from YouTube),  and human rights groups such as the Organization of Women’s Freedom in Iraq are speaking out about it on mainstream outlets like CNN.

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By Douglas Chalmers, May 24, 2007 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

#72270 by Kristine on 5/24 at 6:16 am: “...Without Creationism, there would be no justification for the subjugation of women…”

The falsely interpreted concept of Eve being made from a rib of Adam has been intentionally contrived, as you say,  Kristine. Frankly, I think it was originally a simple way of explaining genetics (DNA form “ribs” on a molecular strand) which got turned around to suit the imperatives of the old men who blindly wanted to have everything their own way.

Just ask Chinese people about their “traditional” culture and you’ll find that they too had a severely restrictive approach to women - but then, so too did Europeans 100’s of years ago in their own way. Its perhaps not so much that the stateless Kurds have never evolved from that way of life but that they seem to have returned to it.

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By Kristine, May 24, 2007 at 7:16 am Link to this comment
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What do Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have in common? They are based on Patriarchy.  Why is Creationism so important to them all? Because nature doesnt support Patriarchy. Without Creationism, there would be no justification for the subjugation of women.

3 out of 4 women in AMERICA are victims of some form of interpersonal violence (e.g. child sexual abuse, rape, murder, “domestic” violence).  90% of the time, the offender is a man she knows.

This “honor” killing is deplorable, but don’t think for one second that this shit is particular to “their” culture. I work in the area of women’s trauma, and I have encountered plenty of women who were beaten by their lovers/husbands simply for looking at another man the “wrong way”. The underlying premise is the same in both cultures: “You are MY property and I have the god-given right to control you.”

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By rowdy, May 23, 2007 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

it amazes me that women outnumber men 2to1 on the entire planet and yet they have no power. how can they take seriously any religion or form of government that makes them second class. they should all use the power of the pussy and force change everywhere.

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By Douglas Chalmers, May 23, 2007 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

#71901 by Steve on 5/23 at 12:09 am: “...What I do see though is - once again - it’s a group of MEN snuffing out the life of a young WOMAN for not doing as they say….”

Its the old men who are personally disappointed at their own loss of youth. Instead of helping and guiding the young, they are annoyed that can no longer be aroused by pretty young females…... thus their animosity towards them.

It is the same kind of men who send other peoples’ children to war to maim and be maimed. Worse, they seek to appear righteous in order to disguise from themselves that nothing is any longer right withing their own decrepit old carcases.

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By Scott, May 23, 2007 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

Frank wrote; “The US and Britain did not create the religious hatreds the Sunnis, Shiites and other people have had for centuries, and that is the root cause of the civil war, and of incidents like this girls stoning.”

No the US and Britain did something far worse, they took advantage of this hate and enabled even more of thre same. They are in every sense of the word rogue nations.

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By Farakon, May 23, 2007 at 9:41 am Link to this comment
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This was a point that Sam Harries brought up to Chris Hedges at the debate last night which Hedges seemed to downplay.  I hope that Mr. Hedges looks at this clip and reconsiders his position that, apart from some fringe elements, religion is all about goodness and light.

I remain blown away that folks like Hedges can criticize so called “fundamentalist” religious leaders for selectively using their sacred texts to support their barbaric and apocalyptic vision of the world while at the same time selectively using the same sacred texts to support his own peace and love message.

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By Jacks, May 23, 2007 at 2:20 am Link to this comment

Why do we continue to use “honor killing” to refer to a blatant hate crime?  The girl was killed because she was a girl (the pretext of “immorality” is arbitrary and impossible to dispel).  Overwhelmingly, any male in question is not even reprimaded, let alone killed, even if he raped a woman, in which the victim would be killed for having “let him” cast “shame” upon the family.

We’re not any better than them when it comes to hate crimes.  The main difference is we outsource our “honor killings” to the public, since both cultures universally blame the victim.  How many times do we say a woman deserved to be raped or killed b/c of her “immoral” wardrobe, behavior, etc.?  We celebrate the likes of Ted Bundy, for crying out loud.  Just b/c we claim sexuality rather than religion (even though the our Puritanism defines the former) doesn’t mean the end result is any different: women and girls being targeted for brutal violence simply b/c they’re female.
We should use this example of Iraqi cultural extremism to question our own.

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By Steve, May 23, 2007 at 1:09 am Link to this comment
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Truly horrific. The poor, frightened young woman; her grief stricken father - what good does this do other than cause more hatred, more killing?

Did this stuff happen under Saddam? Is the US / UK partly to blame for unleashing this type of intolerance in Iraq? I don’t know; as one previous commentator said this seems to be so much bigger and wider.

What I do see though is - once again - it’s a group of MEN snuffing out the life of a young WOMAN for not doing as they say.

I sometimes think that human males have really had their day and need to be consigned to the dustbin of history, at least in regards to any kind of leadership or suprevisory positions in society. They’ve proved entirely unworthy of such roles.

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By don knutsen, May 22, 2007 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

That had to be one of the most disturbing pieces of footage I have seen. To take a young girl out and kill her in a fanatical religous mob speaks volumes of the damage that organized fundementalist religion causes. Its happened all thru history…The Bible as well as the Koran is full of similar answers to problems, in this case, wanting to marry outside your community religion. Its the same fanaticism that illicits young girls and boys to strap explosives on there bodies to kill innocent civilians to make a point, making their parents so very proud. Untill we rise out of these past 2000 years of dogma and put it behind us, we will never beable to enjoy what this world could be. It is a drug to the desperately poor all over the world that will never give them anything but blind hope. These people who took part in the stoning all are no doubt daily practicioners of their relgion, they look to it to guide them in all there decisions, much like a certain simpleton in the oval office right now. The answer is not organized religion which has always stood in the way of progress and either fostered or stood by and watched while this kind of evil took place. You have to stop and pause for a moment to wonder if according to this administrations last lie as to why we invaded;  are these are some of the people our young are dying for so we can shower our broken democracy on them , the ones we haven’t blown up anyway ?

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By Terry, May 22, 2007 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment
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Both sides of the Iraqi debate will use this to justify their positions.  This is a tragedy, which can not be stopped by woman in the police force or more or less US troops.  This problem is so much bigger and I am at a lose as to how to address it.

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By Frank, May 21, 2007 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

Where is the lie in my post, Douglas?  It’s an easy accusation to make, but let’s see is you can back it up.  Are you disputing that billions of dollars in cash were found hoarded in Iraq’s central bank after the US invasion, some of which one of Saddam’s sons tried to flee the country with?  Are you disputing that while these billions were hoarded and while he was building dozens of new palaces, that Saddam claimed to not have enough money to feed to buy medicine for Iraq’s children, supposedly because of US sanctions?  What facts do you have to refute this and what are your sources?

The US and Britain did not create the religious hatreds the Sunnis, Shiites and other people have had for centuries, and that is the root cause of the civil war, and of incidents like this girls stoning. 


Calling someone a puppet because they got money or other support from one source or another intelligence agency at one point is such a silly cop-put. That would make every politician in history merely a puppet and means that none of them are responsible for anything they did. I course I blame Saddam for his actions just as any other rational person in the world does. If you blame the CIA for his actions instead of him then you are one seriously daft prick.  He is solely responsbile for every decision he made. If you can’t see that because of your obsession with CIA conspiracy theories and anti-US bias, then you would be better off trolling a conspiracy website instead.

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By yezbok drahcir, May 21, 2007 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment
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What a horrible tragedy for being in love.

It’s even worse to imagine the fear instilled in each person who attended this violent free-for-all, knowing that the same thing could happen to him or her.

The only public example made was of a complete lack of justice.

I wonder what individual first demonized the youngster and called the group together to commit this murder.  Once again some ringleader used religion as a sword, and probably feels no guilt whatsoever.  Gross…

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By Gold Star Father, May 21, 2007 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment
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My son died in Iraq so this shit can happen in daylight and in public?  fuck this shit. Why are US troops still in Iraq? Why is bush allowed to even still be president?  What the hell is wrong with this country?

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By Douglas Chalmers, May 21, 2007 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

#71529 by Frank on 5/21 at 2:45 pm: “...as tragic as it is, most of the deaths since the US invasion are Iraqis killing Iraqis over religious differences….”

No Frank, it is a perfect illustration of a civil war in the making. In fact, it had started already once Saddam had been captured but the US decided to stay. Its no use saying that a civil war might happen there - it doesn’t need the USA’s or Britain’s permission - and they have caused it!

“...Instead he hoarded cash and built palaces….”

Its amazing how there is always an apologist for the worst atrocities. You lie to protect the USA, as guilty as they are, and you then blame the ruthless dictator puppet put into power by the same USA’s CIA! What else are you good at, Frank?

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By Joe R., May 21, 2007 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment
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This is what religion really does.  Moral values that makes love a sin. It empowers clerics to do what ever they want to women.  It’s as sad as it can be.

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By Lee, May 21, 2007 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment
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Of course it’s a diversion. These types of atrocities become tacit acceptance of why we are in Iraq. But as the clip said, they happen all over the world. So why not invade (excuse me, liberate) Africa, where similar atrocities happen in far greater numbers? Oil. That’s the diversion. That’s the game. And we keep falling for it over and over again.

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By Frank, May 21, 2007 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

Douglas, as tragic as it is, most of the deaths since the US invasion are Iraqis killing Iraqis over religious differences. This girl’s stoning death is not a diversion from that, it is a perfect illustration of it.  It is a horrifying example of why Iraq is in chaos now that the strict oppression of the baathist regime has been lifted.

US sanctions did not kill a million Iraqis, Saddam’s regime did. When the US arrived in Bagdad, they discovered several billion dollars ($US) in hoarded money in Iraq’s central bank that could have bought all the food and medicine to save every one of the lives lost during sanctions, many times over. We now know that Saddam let people die en masse during the sanctions for propaganda reasons, while he had more than enough money to feed them and buy medicine from his neighbors all along. Instead he hoarded cash and built palaces.

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By Douglas Chalmers, May 21, 2007 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

#71482 by 911truthdotorg on 5/21 at 12:19 pm: “...And our soldiers are dying every day to bring “freedom and democracy” to these barbaric animals. They wouldn’t know democracy if it hit them over their heads…”

The trouble is that CNN is now exploiting anything and everything that happens anywhere in Iraq.

The concept that 650,000 people have been murdered in the US invasion and occupation and another million died from disease and malnutrition in the preceding decade of US blockades, sanctions and embargoes and that 4 million are now refugees in their own country is once again being cleverly avoided.

Also posted at http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20070521_iraqi_girls_stoning_death_causes_furor/ - there is a somewhat more gruesome version still on YouTube “Honor Killing In Islam To Stoning Pretty Girl”

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