Winner 2013 Webby Awards for Best Political Website
Top Banner, Site wide
Apr 18, 2014

 Choose a size
Text Size

Top Leaderboard, Site wide

On Climate, Business as Usual




The Divide


Truthdig Bazaar more items

 
A/V Booth

Giuliani Still Thinks ‘They Hate Us for Our Freedom’

Email this item Email    Print this item Print    Share this item... Share

Posted on May 17, 2007
Giuliani

While speaking with Fox News about his debate confrontation with Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani trotted out that tired old slogan that utterly fails to explain anything. Also, Giuliani tells Sean Hannity, “If you can’t face reality, you can’t lead.” We couldn’t agree more.

Watch it:

(via PoliticsTV)

Advertisement

Square, Site wide

New and Improved Comments

If you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy.

By LondonInNY, May 21, 2007 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

Rudy Giuliani certainly deserves credit for turning around New York City in the early-mid 1990’s. However, some where along the line he became increasingly aware of the potential of his national candidacy. There was a shift in his libertarian stance and he illustrated a willingness to appeal to the most intolerant voices in his own party. I have met Giuliani and personally and found him to be a likeable guy. BUT, my real concern is that he may have contributed to busting up one Mafia only to join another one himself. Giuliani is a favorite of the NEO-CONS because he has made clear that it will be business as usual under a Giuliani administration and that in and of itself is the most troubling thing about Rudy Giuliani. Moreover, it is imperative for any and all candidates running on their “9/11 credentials” to understand one thing—-> YOU FAILED. At best there was a FAILURE of Leadership and at worst advanced knowledge, complicity and participation in the acts themselves or the coverup of the truth. HEROES DIE. On 9/11 they burned in the towers, lept to their death from them or we crushed in the demolition. HEROES DO NOT LIVE TO brag of their heroism. New Yorkers saved themselves. So with all due respect, please shut up about 9/11 or tell it to the Fireman. If I ever vote for a Mayor of New York City for President, it will be for Michael Bloomberg.

Report this

By Lana, May 21, 2007 at 11:38 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

It is really no wonder that Iraq’s in the tens of thousands are
protesting our presence in Iraq, labeling it an occupation. We’ve
acted as there were only one solution to the terrorism problem, war.
It has become increasingly clear, however, as we approach another year
of war and wasted lives, that our efforts have not eliminated
terrorists. Our military presence and lack of attention to helping
people out of poverty fuels the anti-American flames abroad and in
Iraq. If we were to address terrorism at its roots, poverty; it would
be possible to reduce the number of lives lost, save money, and live
up to the reputation of world leader.

Report this

By Kellina, May 21, 2007 at 4:23 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

...more from Michael Green:

There are several reasons why Cheney’s behavior matters, but first and foremost is that Vice President Dick Cheney is in the command position in defending the Pentagon as the airliner approaches. To appreciate the significance of this fact it helps to return to the basics of producing 911 as a USG Intelligence Community domestic covert operation. One essential component of the plan is to gain control of the commercial airliners and to have a reliable means of guiding them to their targets. Another essential component is to make sure that nothing interferes with the airliners reaching their targets.

Michael Ruppert has done a first-rate job in Crossing the Rubicon to explain how the chain of command was quietly changed June 1, 2001 in anticipation of 911, probably to put Dick Cheney in charge of the NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) response that day, but he cannot quite find the direct evidence he wants to confirm Cheney’s command role. Ruppert has also recounted how as many as five simultaneous war games were running the morning of 911 so that even individuals not complicit with the 911 plot would be precluded from effective response. These war games involved live flight of actual airliners posing as hijacked planes, introduction of dummy hijacked planes into the radar screens of FAA comptrollers and phantom data into the independent radar systems of the military, an evacuation in the wake of a simulated crash of an airliner into the NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and the defense against a foreign invader. These games took NORAD jets normally available for interception far from their usual bases, and made directing the few remaining jets to their targets difficult if not impossible because of the problem of sorting genuine hijackings from phantom hijacking. Thus, whoever organized the war games to coincide with 911, and whoever coordinated them that day, but especially whoever assumed command of the NORAD response once the 911 attack began is a key operational player of 911. 4 The USGIC controlled media has buried the crucial 911 war games story to disguise USGIC complicity.

But wait, even disabling NORAD leaves the very pesky problem that the White House and Pentagon are equipped with their own anti-aircraft surface-to-air missile defenses that are adequate to down an approaching Boeing. What is needed is an inside man to make sure that the Pentagon does not shoot down the approaching plane. Did anyone say, “Dick Cheney”? Which is why Norman Mineta’s testimony matters so much: it is the very kind of direct evidence needed to understand 911 and gives strong independent support to Ruppert’s claim that Cheney commanded the overall USA “defense” against the 911 attacks. (And, of course, Cheney being in charge also explains why Bush was sidelined at Booker Elementary listening to “My Pet Goat.” Bush could not be trusted to perform publicly in a high-pressure domestic covert operation and was probably informed of it after-the-fact with a sly wink about “plausible deniability.” )

Report this

By Kellina, May 21, 2007 at 4:19 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

What Norman Mineta Said:

Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta testified before the 911 Commission on May 23, 2003 and offered an interesting account of Vice President Cheney’s behavior as Flight 77 approached the Pentagon. 2 The essential testimony is in boldface.

MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane [was] coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to, “The plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?” Well, at the time I didn’t know what all that meant. And—

Michael Green’s brief analysis of Cheney’s remarks is straightforward:

“The repeated questioning of Cheney by the young man whether “the orders still stand” had to be about whether the order NOT to destroy the approaching plane still stood.  Given the two prior attacks against the Twin Towers using the commercial airliners as weapons, an order to destroy the plane approaching the Pentagon would be the only order to give and would not be subject to question by the young man as the plane approached.  Furthermore, had Cheney’s order been to fire on the plane approaching the Pentagon (which first came near the White House), the anti-aircraft capacity of the Pentagon (or White House), would have sufficed to take out that plane, and certainly to have attempted to take out that plane.  Since the Langley/Norfolk jets are at least 10 minutes away and out of range, Cheney’s order is about the on-site Pentagon or White House defenses. Neither a shoot-down nor an attempted shoot-down occurred, and since Mineta does not speak of a last-second change in orders by Cheney, the only supportable conclusion is that Cheney’s order was NOT to defend the Pentagon, an order so contrary to both common sense and military defense that it, and it alone, explains the repeated questioning by the young man.”

Report this

By Kellina, May 21, 2007 at 4:02 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Ga: It is a red herring to say that ALL of gov’t perpetrated 9/11. You’re right - that would be crazy. It was a small faction of very powerful individuals—many with dual-citizenship and loyalties therefore not to the US. Some say “all roads lead to Cheney”; others say “all roads lead to Israel.” I personally think it was the PNAC folks - which includes Cheney, of course, but he wasn’t alone. The neo-cons have left quite a trail, out of hubris, I suppose.

Doug: You’re joking with that racist remark, right? If not, go blog somewhere else.

Report this

By blog dog, May 21, 2007 at 2:09 am Link to this comment

GA - I fear ye doth protest too much - quatre fois par coup!

Right, and of your 19 devout fanatics, so well trained, so well disciplined, so, so patient (e.g. Atta’s infamous pork chops, vodka and lap dances, and all linked like pretzels into Able Danger), at least 3 (we’re supposed to believe) were top-gun class aviators; one of which, no less, cork-screwing a jumbo jet, descending at 1000’/min., into a ground-level target…the same one,  no less, who less than a month prior couldn’t get checked out to solo on a Cessna 170…Paleeeeze - and this whole operation run by a dialysis cripple on a laptop, from a cave in the Hindu Kush? Excuse me if I suggest this might sound a bit “looney-toons.” Why not, since I’ve sufferd it for years, shouldn’t you? But, the worm has turned. Get used to it. It’s all down hill from here. The 911 myth and the myth of Islamofascism are DOA! It’s Miller Time, bub; besides, your handler’s got a new assignment for you. You’ve blown it. Trust me on this one. Mockingbird III, don’t suffer fools.

Report this

By doug, May 21, 2007 at 12:14 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

before anyone considers voting for giuliani,
watch the godfather 1 & 2, a few episodes of this season’s sopranos and maybe goodfellas.

italian americans are evil to the core.

Report this

By Ga, May 20, 2007 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

Comment #70790 by kevin99999:

“No one really believes that.”

Unfortunately, between those who actually do believe that and those that actually, and just as implausibly, believe that Bush/Cheney had remote control of the 9/11 planes, there are not very many people.

Report this

By Ga, May 20, 2007 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

(I got this quote right.)

Comment #71183 by blog dog:

“if you think al Queda is not a CIA/MI-6 asset…”

Your sources are suspect. Yeah, yeah, people may have written some such things on a website some where, but if you spend the time to locate original sources you find that most are opinions and inferences and speculation.

Certainly, the CIA supported bin Laden and many others when the U.S. supported the insurgency against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The CIA supports and “unsupports” foreign organizations with each new generation of policy makers in Washington.

But saying the Bush Administration or the CIA or M16 or all together perpetrated 9/11 is INSANE.

The intracacies of the vase web of agencies, governments and other organizations is almost too complex for anyone to grasp, perhaps, but to think that some how “ours” could pull off such a “heist” is too stupid to even give credence too.

It is much more likely that a small organization, with just enough money and just enough connections and enough patience, actually did pull off 9/11.

Report this

By Ga, May 20, 2007 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment

(I attributed a quote wrongly in my previous post.)

Report this

By Ga, May 20, 2007 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

blog dog:

“In Europe, radical Islam is gaining power because they are allowed to - the irony is these same militant views would not have been tolerated under Sadam. Germany and Holland have already set legal precedent by permitting Islamic law as basis of legal decisions in their Islamic communities.”

Europe is different than the U.S. not only in that it is many countries with differing types of governments but that the majority lack a very strict constitution such are ours.

In the U.S. there has been the precedence of nearly absolute minority rights—not “hispanic” “black” minorities, but in that even with a majority of voters voting a state, for example, cannot pass a law that violates the Consitution.

Contrary to popular belief our democracy is not simply that the majority rules—in most ways we do not have simple majority rule. Many European countries do though, allowing what you are seeing as “radical Islam is gaining power.”

Report this

By Kellina, May 20, 2007 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

terrific job, all of you. Especially blog dog and 911truthdotorg

I learned a lot.

Report this

By blog dog, May 20, 2007 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

#71260 by Kaixo on 5/20 at 10:12 am
(Unregistered commenter)
Watch Bill Moyers - it seems the opposite is true, they love us for our freedom. In Europe, radical Islam is gaining power because they are allowed to - the irony is these same militant views would not have been tolerated under Sadam.
Germany and Holland have already set legal precedent by permitting Islamic law as basis of legal decisions in their Islamic communities.

**** serious social issue:

Johann Hari:
How multiculturalism is betraying women
It would be easy to congratulate ourselves on our tolerance of the fanatically intolerant

Published: 30 April 2007

Do you believe in the rights of women, or do you believe in multiculturalism? A series of verdicts in the German courts in the past month, have shown with hot, hard logic that you can’t back both. You have to choose.
The crux case centres on a woman called Nishal, a 26-year-old Moroccan immigrant to Germany with two kids and a psychotic husband. Since their wedding night, this husband beat the hell out of her. She crawled to the police covered in wounds, and they ordered the husband to stay away from her. He refused. He terrorised her with death threats.

read more: http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_a_l/johann_hari/article2496657.ece

****  lethal deception:

London’s Brixton and Finsbury mosques aren’t for nothing being referred to as MI-5/MI-6 Patsy Schools.

e.g. FULL TRANSCRIPT: The July 29, 2005 edition of British FOX News Channel’s Day Side
          programme:
MIKE JERRICK [FOX NEWS]: John Loftus is a terrorism expert and a former prosecutor for the Justice Department. John, good to see you again. So real quickly here, have you heard anything about this Osman Hussain who was just picked up in Rome? You know that name at all?
JOHN LOFTUS: Yeah, all these guys should be going back to an organization called Al-Muhajiroun, which means The Emigrants. It was the recruiting arm of Al-Qaeda in London; they specialized in recruiting kids whose families had emigrated to Britain but who had British passports. And they would use them for terrorist work.
JERRICK: So a couple of them now have Somali connections?
LOFTUS: Yeah, it was not unusual. Somalia, Eritrea, the first group of course were primarily Pakistani. But what they had in common was they were all emigrant groups in Britain, recruited by this Al-Muhajiroun group. They were headed by the, Captain Hook, the imam in London the Finsbury Mosque, without the arm. He was the head of that organization. Now his assistant was a guy named Aswat, Haroon Rashid Aswat.
JERRICK: Aswat, who they picked up.
LOFTUS: Right, Aswat is believed to be the mastermind of all the bombings in London.
JERRICK: On 7/7 and 7/21, this is the guy we think.
LOFTUS: This is the guy, and what’s really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government,
MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him.

continued here http://www.kosovo.net/news/archive/2005/August_06/2.html

Report this

By Kaixo, May 20, 2007 at 11:12 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Watch Bill Moyers - it seems the opposite is true, they love us for our freedom. In Europe, radical Islam is gaining power because they are allowed to - the irony is these same militant views would not have been tolerated under Sadam.
Germany and Holland have already set legal precedent by permitting Islamic law as basis of legal decisions in their Islamic communities.

Report this

By Louise, May 20, 2007 at 7:28 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

RE: #71183 by blog dog :

Cheers! And Thank You!

You-all might find this post interesting!
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

Report this

By blog dog, May 20, 2007 at 12:38 am Link to this comment

#71170 by a sane muslim on 5/19 at 9:35 pm
(Unregistered commenter)

if you think there isn’t a very dangerous faction in the Islamic world that hates you, for whatever reason, in the face of all the evidence before you, in the face of the evidence i have seen around me, you are nuts.

********* being called “nuts” is always refreshing — but, if you think al Queda is not a CIA/MI-6 asset, then you weren’t paying attention…

Vinnell bombing leader Khaled Jehani, fought for the CIA in Afghanistan, Bosnia & Chechnya

Members of the Moroccan terror group Salafi Jihadi fought for the CIA in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Dagestan, Bosnia and Kosovo

USS Cole Bomber Jamal al-Badawi fought for the CIA in Bosnia

Zacarias Moussaoui fought for the CIA in Chechnya

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed fought for the CIA in Afghanistan

Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman fought for the CIA in Afghanistan

Head of Egyptian Islamic Jihad Ayman al Zawahiri, fought for the CIA in Bosnia

His brother Ayman al-Zawahiri fought for the CIA in Kosovo

Abdullah Azzam, “one of the ideological founders of Hamas” fought for the CIA in Afghanistan

When Osama Bin Ladin Was Tim Osman

War and Globalization - The Truth Behind September 11th

Zbigniew Brzezinski: “Your cause is right, God is on your side.”

CIA reins in loose cannons, and keeps their Al Qaeda creation alive and well

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_history&Number=1151402&page;=&view;=&sb;=&o=&vc=1&t=1#Post1151402”>CIA “Arranged” for Passports for Al Qaeda Terrorists & Brought Them to the USA to Recruit for Jihads

Will the CIA Leave Their Saudi Partners in Crime Holding the Bag?

“New Al-Qaeda” like New Coke,
only harder to buy

“The Farce Goes On - The Hunt for Ayman Zawahiri, Mohammad Omar, & Osama

“Moussaoui, Khadr, & Ressam Are “Graduates” of CIA’s Khalden Camp for Afghanistan & Balkans “Jihads”

Bin Laden Puppetmasters Smoked Out In Balkans

The CIA arranged for HUM guerrillas to fight in Bosnia & Kosovo

Bin-Ladin and KLA have a ‘joint’ cash box in the United States

The CIA & Bin Laden worked hand-in-glove in KLA operations

U.S. Protects Al-Qaeda Terrorists in Kosovo

Wolfowitz Meets “in Private”
with NLA Terrorist Ali Ahmeti

America used Islamists to arm the Bosnian Muslims

Bosnia, 1 degree of separation from Al-Qaeda

Where was the “Concern” about “al-Qaida Operating in Iran” during the War in Bosnia?

Terror mastermind with taste for high life

US Has Al Qaida Backers List

U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda

CIA Told “Malaysian secret police” to “Monitor” Al Qaeda Meeting on Plans to Hit WTC on 9-11-2001

The CIA’s “Operation Cyclone” - Stirring the Hornet’s Nest of Islamic Unrest”

The Muslim Brotherhood: The Globalists’ Secret Weapon

U.S. Armed, Promoted Accused September 11 Terrorist Mastermind

CIA Bankrolled System of Madrassas & Training Camps to Brainwash “Jihad” Warriors

British Press Gagged on Reporting MI6’s £100,000 bin Laden Payoff

Ramzi Yousef was part of a CIA recruitment drive in New York and he did have “ties” to Bin Laden

CIA Recruits Terrorist Agents At Guantanamo

Oregon group thrives despite al Qaeda ties

Sniper link to al Qaeda investigated

Who is behind the “Terrorist Network” in Northern Iraq, Baghdad or Washington?

How Al Qaeda lit the Bali fuse

Did Rambo ever stop loving Osama?

Report this

By 911truthdotorg, May 20, 2007 at 12:10 am Link to this comment

blog dog…...

Wow! Fantastic posts!

Thank you!

Report this

By a sane muslim, May 19, 2007 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

if you think there isn’t a very dangerous faction in the Islamic world that hates you, for whatever reason, in the face of all the evidence before you, in the face of the evidence i have seen around me, you are nuts.
I am a devout muslim and i love the USA. I love the good in her. And there is so much good in her. Even with a religious lunatic’s gun to my head, i would be saying that in my heart.
God Bless my country.

Report this

By blog dog, May 19, 2007 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

BUSH IN THE LOOP?

Bush knew something was coming, vis-à-vis 9/11. Intelligence warnings were numerous and the FBI was even tracking most of the accused hi-jackers (i.e 9/11 patsies). But, anyone who thinks Bush would have been in the operational loop on such a sophisticated black-ops/psy-ops, is naive.

Bush was in fact targeted on 9/11. This is documented in the “Angle is next,” threat which was called into the White House. Bush talked about it in a CBS interview, some months later, but only minimally. The part of “Angle is next” that has been kept out of the main stream media is this: “Angle” was the code-word-of-the-day for Air-force One. The threat also included enough additional top-secret coded phrases to convince the White House that the threat was serious and that those making the threat knew enough top-secret code to possibly articulate a nuclear missile launch. This is why Bush rushed to Offut Air Force Base, US Nuclear HQ, to present himself in person and head off that possibility.

Also, what is never discussed in the main stream media is the totally inexplicable breach of security protocol on 9/11, vis-à-vis, the handling of the POTUS with the nation under attack. Bush was left sitting in a publicly disclosed location for over 30 min., then when Air Force One took off, it was without fighter coverage for over 45 min. This was not a security failure, it was a security stripping, just as the threat came it. Bush capitulated to the ultimatum:  The War of Civilizations (which PNAC had called for) starts now. Call Putin, tell him we’re invading the Middle East and Russia had better not interfere - un coup d’etat accompli.

This is an open secret in the corridors of power. The numerous limited hangouts we’re now seeing (e.g. “On the Brink,” Drumheller; “At the Center of the Storm,” Tenat; “Target Iran,” Ridder; “Triple Cross,” Lance, etc.), plus the Iraq Study Group recommendations are all part of an effort to rein in the madmen without blowing the cover up, triggering the biggest constitutional crisis since the Civil War and precipitating a global financial meltdown.

There are many reasons other than this that those in the know will not speak out, not the least of which is chief editor Robert Scheer’s own sense of self preservation, after having recently been canned from his decades-long gig at the LA Times for writing on things fare less testy - in this so-called free society, 911 is the media, academic and political 3rd Rail - why Ron Paul is on the verge of being literally black-balled from politics.

Report this

By Louise, May 19, 2007 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

If Bush was kept out of the loop it was only that they didn’t give him the names of all party’s involved. He does tend to say things that were best left unsaid. Which is why Fleisher held up a large card in the classroom on 9/11, with the words “Don’t say anything yet” scrawled in black marker. If Bush looked somewhat vacant, it was probably because he was trying to read that card. After all, Fleischer had to hold it in such a way that it didn’t get on camera. But a few reporters saw it.

Bush saw the first plane hitting the first Tower before he went into the school. Made it a central talking point on at least two occasions when he was talking to groups of kids. Claims he saw it on the TV in the school, but the Principle of that school has gone on record as saying there was no TV in the building.

He screwed up when he mentioned he saw the first plane hit the Tower, then had to make up his fable about a really bad pilot. Can you imagine what he might have blurted out had he known who all the players were?

Irregardless, that look on his face is very familiar to anyone who spends time dealing with impossible little children. It’s the look you see when a naughty child is sitting on the cash Mommy just discovered missing from her purse. Or the Teacher just discovered missing from the milk money envelope.

Do they hate us for our freedoms?
Wrong question.

The question is, who is they?

Hmmm, this might be a clue: “Giuliani tells Sean Hannity, “If you can’t face reality, you can’t lead.”

Once you figure that out you’ll understand it’s not us they hate, they have no feeling whatsoever for us. If we don’t have something of value that they want, they don’t even see us.

They simply hate our freedoms.

Nasty things freedoms when they want nothing more than to force people to their will.
So, they find a way to get people to forget about freedom and bend to their will.

Fear.

Put the fear of God in them.
Put the fear of Government in them.
Or ... create a phantom enemy and implement the phantom enemies attack on them!

Whenever I hear a politico or pundit speak with authority about the terrorists or the war on terror, cant help but wonder ...
How much do they know?
Guess I’m paranoid.

But then, anyone watching the news that’s not paranoid is not paying attention.

Report this

By blog dog, May 19, 2007 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

#71052 by 911truthdotorg on 5/19 at 9:42 am
(69 comments total) “...bush was kept out of the loop, pre-9/11. ...“USS Liberty”...another “false flag” attack to blame Egypt and draw us into the war…And guess whose father was in charge of the cover up? One Admiral McCain. John McCain’s father.

********* Of course Bush was clueless…he’s the ultimate unwitting useful fool — “Angle is next” is the heart of the 911 coup d’etat - one more event in a long black-ops/psy-ops legacy: Central & South American coups and assassinations; Mossadeque coup; Saddam’s installation coup; Kennedy assassination Gulf of Tonkin; USS Liberty; Gladio Strategy of Tension; Iran Contra; WTC’93 bombing; Oklahoma City; USS Cole — the goal: bring the entire globe under secret hegemonic rule of an elite clique of finance oligarchs — the method: hired guns (private security forces and crime families) to do the dirty work, blame it on revolutionaries and scare the citizenry of the so-called free world witlessly into buying the protection on offer with their votes, taxes blood and guts.

Protection, oldest game in the book — False Flag Terror, oldest trick in the book. 911 was the most horrifically spectacular false flag operation since Nero burned Rome.

Report this

By 911truthdotorg, May 19, 2007 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Patrick Henry -

I agree with you that bush was kept out of the loop, pre-9/11. The look on his stupid face in that classroom said it all. He was probably thinking “holy shit, they really did it!”  And the reason why he wasn’t whisked out of there was because they knew he was perfectly safe.

So that just makes him an accessory, after the fact, to mass murder.

The Israelis are completely evil. Just Google the “USS Liberty”, the USN ship attacked by unmarked Israeli jets during the 1967 war. They murdered nearly all the sailors, even the ones in life rafts. With the help and knowledge of L.B. Johnson, it was another “false flag” attack to blame Egypt and draw us into the war.

And guess whose father was in charge of the cover up?

One Admiral McCain. John McCain’s father.

Report this
PatrickHenry's avatar

By PatrickHenry, May 19, 2007 at 8:04 am Link to this comment

“Bush” hates us for our freedoms.

His administration has done more to erode the U.S. Constitution and more importantly the Bill of Rights than any other presidential administration.

Cui Bono?

I believe Bush had no operational foreknowledge of 9/11, however, I believe the Israelis did and he was made aware of it. 

Cheney certainly did and even accommodated it.

Via the Mossad who orchastrated it through the numerous arab militant groups who they’ve infiltrated, it would be easy for them to foment this violence and even select the targets.

The Israelis have numerous times in the past created “false flag” operations to further their political aims.  It is much more plasible for them to have organized these attacks than some out of theatre arabs. 

Who was the target of the shitstorm which followed?

Cui Bono?

Report this

By Matt, May 19, 2007 at 5:14 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

To the extent that the Bush/neocon jihad in the Middle East is about oil or the military industrial complex (MIC), people are at least not afraid to criticize.

No one is afraid of badmouthing “Big Oil,” lest they be labeled “anti-petrolic”.

But to the huge extent that this series of wars (Iraq, Iran, and beyond) is about achieving Israel’s expansive strategic goals, hardly any politician, journalist, or pundit - whether ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’ - dares to say so.

Oil, schmoil; MIC, schMIC - as long as everyone’s afraid of the Israel lobby, we will stay on this bloody rampage against people who “hate us for our freedom”.

Big oil and the MIC have lots of money, but they’ll never have what Israel has: a red-hot emotional button which, when pushed, rules the American psyche. Americans - perhaps ‘Christians’ even more than Jews - are fatally infatuated with Israel, which is ruled by cynical, militant racists who do not reciprocate our adoration but are happy to milk it for all we’re worth.

Report this

By Detain_This, May 19, 2007 at 2:57 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Ron Paul should be named TRUTH-DIGGER OF THE CENTURY!

Ron Paul or Bust!

Report this

By blog dog, May 19, 2007 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

#70897 by Frank on 5/18 at 1:05 pm
(12 comments total)
” Look at the Taliban: they beat and kill people for cutting their hair too short…”

**********which is why the Bush Administration gave them $40 mill, just 9 months before 9/11, obviously in hopes they’d manage to kill off the “short-haired” 911 al Queda operatives the FBI had been tracking, just in case they slipped back into Afghanistan…LOL — they don’t hate us at all; they love us for our money, especially the ones on the CIA payroll

Report this

By jbart, May 18, 2007 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

This “comment” is intended for Rudy (I think that he’ll be able to recieve it, either personally, or through a aide responsible for gathering info).
I’m a New Yorker and I liked how you handled the San Gennaro festival bullshit. You stood up to the “paisans”.
You looked remarkable during the 9/11 trajedy. I have a question though. Simply put, “Did You Know”? I mean the truth. Did You know? Because, if you did, I have only one wish for you and yours. May you burn in hell for that atrocity to our country. The lives that were wasted for an agenda based on ever-increasing greed.Look in the mirror. What do you see, Rudy? May you suffer great pain, as well as those you love, for this madness.
Please, everyone out there. DEMAND that the truth be known. It will allow us to put these wastes of human existance where they all belong. Not alive, or incarcerated for decades or to become some low-class criminal’s bitch.
Truthdig, why aren’t you, and John Daley & Bill Maher & the “open” media opening up this retched “can of worms”? Money? No, that’s not it. Fear of our Gov’t's reprisal? Yeah, that’s it, you’re all afraid of “Big Brother”. But, be aware. At some point in time, the common man will rise in anger and take back our country. And when that occurs all will NOT be forgotten. That’s a promise, wimps!

Report this

By Tyler, May 18, 2007 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Also in response to #70897 Frank:

The real kicker for me was your accusation of naivete. It seems like you believe there are no other extremist religious factions existing other than in Islam. Keep in mind the radical right-wind Evangelicals that have taken over the United States. Solely on legal terms do we not fully adapt “God’s Law” as federal law, as much as I am sure our leadership would love to. Consider the Old Testament which deems eating shellfish, trimming the hair around the temples, and planting two different crops in the same field, crimes punishable by death. Needless to say that is a short list of religious crimes! I am sure many conservative Christians would say that the Bible, too, provides for all things and thus democracy is not necessary. We criticize the cultural values of the Middle East surely as much as they criticize us. To say “fundamentalist muslims are inherantly ridiculous people with a warped worldview” is rather racist in my perspective, and again I must remind you of the millions of Americans who believe that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old because of the Bible, and even those who still adamantly believe the Earth is flat because of a statement in Revelations 7:1. But to stress what #70911 felicity said, fundamentalist Muslims are a very small percentage of the population who just happen to get loads of media attention due to contemporary international issues.

Our foreign policy of militarism has long since gotten us on the bad side of international states. With 725+ military bases on only 192 states worldwide, our constant imposition of “superior” American values is sure to perturb the average state’s citizen. Democracy and the consequent “freedoms” are clearly not an answer to terrorism, as the United States has committed terror to the standards of the Department of Defense’s official definition.

Clearly there are far, far more motives for terrorism other than the typical freedom-hating rhetoric. Unfortunately it is such rhetoric that the average American seems to fall for.

Report this

By boggs, May 18, 2007 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

They hate us for our foreign policy, they hate us for our greed that makes us lust after their oil, they hate us for our aggression and our blind use of bombs around the world. They hate us because we are threatening to them and they consider us to be strong-armed, bullying terrorists.
What other conclusion could they come to????

Report this

By felicity, May 18, 2007 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

#70897 FRANK

To take you a bit further:  Fundamentalist Muslims are numerically few and far between.  For the US to construct its entire foreign policy on what is basically their call is finally stupid.  To sacrifice the domestic political, economic, and social health of our republic on the altar of a very few religious zealots is madness.

I don’t pretend to defend them or their views, but I am able to understand that were some foreign power to dot my American landscape with military bases, I might be a little pissed.  We have military bases all over the Middle East. 

Finally, your chance of being killed by a foreign terrorist is equally as likely as you getting killed by a meteor.

Report this

By Frank, May 18, 2007 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

Geez, another board of dum dums who think it’s all about Israel.

Muslims activists who work at England’s radical mosques have said it on camera on CNN and the BBC in no uncertain terms that they despise American freedom and democracy which they call “false Western ideals”. The say freedoms and democracy are in fact bad and are not necessary because “Islam provides for all things”, meaning that Islam (the Koran) provides answers for everything so people do not need be free to chose for themselves as they might make unislamic choices. They think that people should not be free to worship any way other than Islam, woman should not be free to dress as they want, etc, and that any country that allows this is evil.

The pro-Al Quaida Islamic activists from the London mosques went so far in the CNN interview as to belittle American liberals who mock politicians for saying that Islam despises America freedoms, and basically said to those people “to those who say we do not hate your country for it’s freedoms, you are wrong. We despise America for these things.  We do not need your freedom and democracy, we do not want it. These are false western ideals, they are unnecessary. Islam provides for all things.” 

The claim that they hate us for our freedom may sound ridiculous to many of us, but you have to come to grips with the fact that fundamentalist muslims are inherantly ridiculous people with a warped worldview. You people who think that this is something that Giuliani or Karl Rove or anyone else made up for PR value are just plain ignorant of Islamic fundamentalism. 


Why is this so hard for you people to get this when you see the way that fundamentalist muslims run their own societies? Look at the Taliban: they beat and kill people for cutting their hair too short, or for playing music in public,  or for wearing unIslamic clothes or for doing anything that is an affront to Islam, and you think that they don’t feel the same way about people doing all of these things in Western countries?  Seriously, are you people that naive?

Report this

By Frank, May 18, 2007 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Geez, another board of dum dums who think it’s all about Israel.

Muslims activists who work at England’s radical mosques have said it on camera on CNN and the BBC in no uncertain terms that they despise American freedom and democracy which they call “false Western ideals”. The say freedoms and democracy are in fact bad and are not necessary because “Islam provides for all things”, meaning that Islam (the Koran) provides answers for everything so people do not need be free to chose for themselves as they might make unislamic choices. They think that people should not be free to worship any way other than Islam, woman should not be free to dress as they want, etc, and that any country that allows this is evil.

The pro-Al Quaida Islamic activists from the London mosques went so far in the CNN interview as to belittle American liberals who mock politicians for saying that Islam despises America freedoms, and basically said to those people “to those who say we do not hate your country for it’s freedoms, you are wrong. We despise America for these things.  We do not need your freedom and democracy, we do not want it. These are false western ideals, they are unnecessary. Islam provides for all things.” 

The claim that they hate us for our freedom may sound ridiculous to many of us, but you have to come to grips with the fact that fundamentalist muslims are inherantly ridiculous people with a warped worldview. You people who think that this is something that Giuliani or Karl Rove or anyone else made up for PR value are just plain ignorant of Islamic fundamentalism. 


Why is this so hard for you people to get this when you see the way that fundamentalist muslims run their own societies? Look at the Taliban: they beat and kill men for cutting their hair or beards too short, or for playing music in public,  or for wearing unIslamic clothes or for doing anything that is an affront to Islam, and you think that they don’t feel the same way about people doing all of these things in Western countries?  Seriously, are you people that naive?

Report this

By 911truthdotorg, May 18, 2007 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

Giuliani and the rest of the rescumlicans are trying to blackball Ron Paul from all future debates.

Please sign this petition to stop them. Thank you.

http://www.petitiononline.com/RPRNC08/petition.html

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

Report this

By don knutsen, May 18, 2007 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

They hate our freedom ?  Just what in the hell is that supposed to mean Rudy ? Has Bu$h explained what that means to you ? to anybody ? This idiotic slimeball , shamelessly capitalizing on 9-11 all he can. He paints himseld the savior of that day, but ask the policemen and firemen their opinion and you get quite a different picture. He has been on numerous talk shows expousing how he believed it was God’s work putting George Bu$h in office, well, and Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld , Rice too I’d imagine. It was devinely inspired, nothing to do with Karl Rove,s campaign to deny the vote to tens of thousands of americans in ‘2000 and ‘2004. He is the worst of the miserable bunch of republican hacks running for president. Ron Paull tried to inject alittle reality and was blown back by Rudy’s heroic indignation. He is so devoid of reality he apparently believes, as does the idiot McCain, that mouthing these banalities that dribble out of bu$h’s mouth, like “they hate our freedoms” will help him to the oval office. I guess time will tell, but it appears that dumbfuckistan is shrinking alittle since bu$h’s popularity is between 18 - 28% depending on which poll you believe. I don’t see george acquiring a brain anytime soon, so by the time 2008 rolls around, if these criminals haven’t been impeached yet, his poll numbers will surely be in Cheney territory by then…what are you gonna do then Rudy ? Bank on america’s collective amnesia ?

Report this

By Dale Headley, May 18, 2007 at 11:09 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Right!  I can just see a pair of terrorists, sitting around the campfire and one says to the other, “I can’t stand it!  I hate that Americans have freedom.”  His friend responds: “I have an idea.  Let’s crash planes into the Twin Towers, then George Bush will take away their freedoms.”  Mission accomplished, I would say.

Report this

By kevin99999, May 18, 2007 at 7:43 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

No one really believes that. This is a just convenient way to prevent from having to tell the truth that we are creating lot of enemies because of our foreign policy. Instead of examining and questioning our foreign policy, for example for our blind support of Israel for its occupation of palestinian lands, the government is using the terrorist threat as an execuse to institute facist’s policies at home.

Report this

By Tom Semioli, May 18, 2007 at 7:27 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The sad element of all this is that most of America still believes in the mantra of “they hate us for our freedom.” The majority American citizens do not have the intellectual capacity to change things nor will they listen to anything that takes their rapt attention away from AMERICAN IDOL, 24, NBA playoffs and ACCESS HOLLYWOOD etc.

Report this

By Lex Luther, May 18, 2007 at 5:06 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The pint sized VIETNAMESE Hate us because we are free.

All we did was kill 2 million of them in their own country.

Report this

By Louis, May 17, 2007 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Only don’t tell me you’re innocent. Because it insults my intelligence and makes me very angry. Now, who approached you? Tattaglia or Barzini?

Report this

By DennisD, May 17, 2007 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Rudy is already uttering Bu$hisms and he hasn’t been elected to anything yet - pretty f**king scary. Just the thought of absolute power has already corrupted Rudy absolutely. Ron Paul - keep on speaking, hopefully someone is paying attention.

Report this

By Verne Arnold, May 17, 2007 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

Re #70685 by THOMAS BILLIS on 5/17 at 5:42 pm

You are absolutely correct on all counts!

Report this

By Verne Arnold, May 17, 2007 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

I would have to think a long, long time to come up with a more ignorant statement than: “They hate us for our freedom.”  But then consider the source…

Report this

By THOMAS BILLIS, May 17, 2007 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Ron Paul was right Rudi was wrong.One of the reasons that Bin Laden cited for Jihad against the west was after the 91 war we left troops in Saudi Arabia.He said that the infidel must be driven from the Holy Land.
Not one person remembered that statement or came to Ron Paul’s defense.We have the mistaken notion that Bin Laden wants to open a local Al Qaida office in New York.What they want is control over Arabian lands which we cannot allow because of oil.
The people in those regions would also reject Al Qaida goals and would probably end up killing them themselves but the big unifying factor is that we and our allies are involved in that region.Nothing unites the arabs more than throwing off the occupier.Ask the British.
If we could get off of oil as the Brazilians have done the region would stabilize itself.Not in our image but in the image of what works for them.

Report this

By QuyTran, May 17, 2007 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

“If you can’t face reality, you can’t lead” will become “if you can’t commit aldultery, you can’t be Rudy”.

He’s a champion of spitting out then sucking back !

Report this
Outraged's avatar

By Outraged, May 17, 2007 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

Sean Hannity, Fox News and Rudy Giuliani.  Is this one of those things where you have to figure out “What’s wrong with this picture?”

Gee….Wait, I almost got it….No,No….Oh,yep….I got it!!!  Oh,no,no…no..I’m not sure….maybe I’ll call Oprah…..

Report this
RAE's avatar

By RAE, May 17, 2007 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

100% incorrect on several accounts.

First, a good deal of the freedom most Americans think they have, THEY DON’T. (It’s another whole topic so I’ll just leave it like that for now.)

Secondly, no one “hates” freedom. Some may like to be looked after more than others - we apply the label “socialist” or even “communist” to demonize them.

What “they” hate is the hypocritical and untrustworthy attitude demonstrated time and time again by the US leadership… the disregard for the rights, including sovereign rights, of others and other nations… the loud-mouthed bullying… and above all, the assumption that because they have the power they have the right to dominate world affairs and dictate to others how to conduct their affairs (to America’s advantage, of course).

Even America’s friends hate them for such arrogance. Would YOU want a friend with qualities such as these?

Report this

By Michael Boldin, May 17, 2007 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

This guy couldn’t be more wrong, and he’s no idiot…..it’s called propaganda.  Anyone this high up in politics understands that violence begets violence, but it’s the power-hungry that can lie to us with a straight face - so they can wage more war.

The real “America-Haters” are people like Giuliani who are so willing to give up everything this country stands for to quench their thirst for power, war, and profit.

Some reading on this:

“The America-Haters Strike Again”
http://www.populistamerica.com/the_america_haters_strike_again

Report this

By Gene Trosper, May 17, 2007 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Giuliani needs to read the 9-11 Commission Report and so do those who believe mr. Giuliani’s statements. I will make it easy for you: here is the executive summary of the 9-11 Commission Report. It clearly and plainly states that osama Bin laden issued a fatwa against America and Americans as a direct result of our occupation in the Middle east and our treatment of Muslims.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Exec.htm

If Ron Paul is crazy, then so is the 9-11 Commission.

Report this
Newsletter

sign up to get updates


 
 
Right 1, Site wide - BlogAds Premium
 
Right 2, Site wide - Blogads
 
Join the Liberal Blog Advertising Network
 
 
 
Right Skyscraper, Site Wide
 
Join the Liberal Blog Advertising Network
 

A Progressive Journal of News and Opinion   Publisher, Zuade Kaufman   Editor, Robert Scheer
© 2014 Truthdig, LLC. All rights reserved.