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Posted on Mar 19, 2007
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J.J. Goldberg, editor in chief of the venerable progressive Jewish daily the Forward, joins the podcast this week to talk about the complexity of Zionism, the misguided intentions of neoconservatism and why AIPAC isn’t quite as sinister as you might think. At right, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert with President Bush.


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    By kayla salter, December 8, 2008 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment
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    GO AMERICANS!
    WHOO WHOO

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    By Abdul, April 4, 2007 at 1:16 am Link to this comment
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    The only country in the MiddleEast that even vaguely resembles a liberal, secular democracy is Israel, where women are treated as full citizens (by big koala on 3/20 at 6:37 pm)

    My response: Are you joking?....The fact is in Israel some women are treated like whores by Zionist pimps !!! The Zionist pimps trick the women into sexual slavery and the women are starved, raped and tortured by the brutal and barbaric Zionist pimps when they refuse to become whores !

    White Slavery of Christian Girls - In Israel!!

    “Woman’s flesh for sale, woman’s flesh for sale,” yells a man in front of the
    Hamashbir department store in downtown Jerusalem, offering up to passers-by the
    young woman standing next to him.

    Although trafficking in women is very much a reality in Israel, this scene was a
    protest staged two weeks ago by the Jerusalem Women’s Center as part of the
    International Day of Protest Against Violence Against Women.

    “Instead of just protesting rape and domestic violence as we do every other
    year, we could not ignore the terrible issue of thousands of women being
    trafficked annually into this country to be used as prostitutes,” says Adi
    Kunstman, coordinator of activities at the center, adding “Trafficking is modern
    slavery.”

    Local organizations dealing with the issue, such as the Hotline for Migrant
    Workers and the Awareness Center, believe that some 3,000 women are smuggled
    into the country every year for the purpose of prostitution.

    These women are often lured into prostitution in their native countries by
    misleading job advertisements in the papers. They often have very young children
    who they have left behind with their families. None are prepared for what they eventually
    encounter. Most suffer beatings and repeated rape. The women are viewed and
    bought at pimping auctions - during which they are forced to undress - at prices
    ranging from $4,000 to $10,000.

    According to attorney Nomi Levenkron of the Migrant Hotline, those who fetch the
    lower prices end up working in the slum area around Tel Aviv’s old central bus
    station. Their passports are taken from them, and they are often kept locked up
    in apartments with barred windows. This was the case with the four prostitutes
    who were trapped and burnt to death when a religious fanatic torched a Tel Aviv
    brothel in August, 2000.


    “Israel has become a convenient center for pimps who trade in women,” says
    Gal-On, who also proposed this bill. “It is modern-day slave trading, and the
    sentences for the pimps are not harsh enough, as judges still do not take this
    matter seriously enough. The courts give the criminals ridiculous sentences,
    rendering the current law meaningless.

    There have also been at least a half-dozen cases of sex trafficking involving
    policemen as suspects, and one policeman was charged with managing a brothel. In
    four cases, policemen informed the pimps of expected raids on their premises,
    and in one instance a policeman was accused of selling a woman to another pimp
    following her arrest.

    One prostitute, Sonya (not her real name), says she went to a police station and
    asked to be arrested because she had just ran away from the brothel where she
    was held against her will. The policemen turned her away, and as she left she
    heard them saying (in Hebrew) they were going to call her pimp.

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    By Abdul, April 3, 2007 at 5:33 am Link to this comment
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    Zionists are a bunch of brutal, sadistic and barbaric terrorists who try to control the World through their proxies, puppets, and whorish Zionist media and enslave all non-Jews because they are GOYIM (subhumans or animals). They are carrying out the Protocols of Zion that are written by their Zionist learned elders and we find that the Protocols of Zionist and the Talmud bear so many similarities that the Zionist Protocols of Zion are the Talmud itself.

    The Zionists who are supported by the UK and US regimes have violated the UN resolutions,the Geneva Conventions and the International Law by terrorizing, raping, torturing, massacring and robbing the innocent and defenseless Palestinian people of their homes, land, villages, towns etc so that the Zionists can establish the illegal Israel. The Zionists have massacred so many Palestinian people who own the land so that all the Palestinian people would emigrate to other countries. Here are some of the Zionist genocide of the innocent and defenseless Palestinian people: Zionist Massacres against Palestinians:
    ,YEHIDA MASSACRE
    ,KHISAS MASSACRE
    ,QAZAZA MASSACRE
    ,AL-SHEIKH VILLAGE MASSACRE
    ,DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE
    ,NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
    ,BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
    ,THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
    ,DAWAYMA MASSACRE
    ,SHARAFAT MASSACRE
    ,KIBYA MASSACRE
    ,KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
    ,AL-SAMMOU’ MASSACRE
    ,THE SABRA AND SHATILA MASSACRE
    ,OYON QARA MASSACRE
    ,AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
    ,THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
    ,THE JABALIA MASSACRE
    ,ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE etc.

    And the Zionist media will always blame and frame the victims of the Zionist genocide of Palestinian people to condone the Zionist crimes. And now the Zionists are busy pitting American regime against the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon Iran. The fact is USA has already lost her independence when Sharon declares that the Zionists control USA:“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
    - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

    USA is no longer a free soverign country for it is being hijacked by Israel and Zionists. And the US soldiers, Marines are dying for the brutal, sadistic and barbaric Zionist cause !!! And Zionists are robbing the American people of their US $ !!!

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    By John Lowell, March 25, 2007 at 10:12 am Link to this comment
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    Now if you’re looking for real antisemitism, jack trent of comment #59847 will provide it for you.

    If ever there were anything that could poison opposition to AIPAC control of the United States Congress its bile like your’s, trent. You’re either a neo-con plant intended to discredit honest opposition to a wedding of US and Israeli foreign policy or you’re a kind of reincarnation of Julius Streicher. If the former, its been done before. As a matter of fact its currently being done to Jimmy Carter. If the latter, you’ve made of yourself more of a paramecium than a human being. You’re a Nazi, trent, and I use the term without hyberbole. We can be grateful that your kind of thinking has been so thoroughly marginalized in the years since WWII.

    John Lowell

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    By Bradd Graves, March 22, 2007 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
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    There are sane voices finally getting published on these issues! There’s Jimmy Carter’s book, and in case you missed Nicholas Kristof’s article in the NY Times, you can find it here:

    http://thankyoukristof.org/talking-about-israel/

    And while you’re there, please sign the petition thanking Mr. Kristol for providing a “fair and balanced” view for once.

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    By jack trent, March 22, 2007 at 2:39 am Link to this comment
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    I finally started to look at the influence of Jews on American foreign policy a few years ago. And I realized that my grandfather was correct.

    Jews are, and have always been a ‘people apart’ from their neighbors. This sounds quite harmless, until you look at how they manipulate our system of government to serve their interests over those of the host populations they control.

    We are all Palestinians now, said a friend of mine.

    There is a reason why Jews have been persecuted throughout history.  Sooner or later, every society says “enough” to this cancerous, traitorous minority.

    I finally get it. Now I understand what happened in Germany in the 1930’s. They said “enough is enough” - these Jews are not Germans, but Jews, by and for only Jews.

    The rest, as they say, is the holohoax = yet ANOTHER shake down scam - that exploits the suffering of the few - and ignores the reality of the majority.

    America is Sobibor West. And there’s a Jew in every watchtower. When will Americans say “ENOUGH”?

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    By James V, March 21, 2007 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
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    @big koala

    There was an article on Salon in January by Gregory Levey that you might want to read.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/01/29/israeli_arabs/index.html

    I think it paints a far more accurate picture of what it really is like for an Israeli Arab. It is certainly not what I would call a “full citizenship rights” situation. If you (or anyone else) wants to use a word other than racist, that’s fine. But regardless of what word you choose to use, it’s hardly something to be proud of.

    There are certainly a number of people in the world with deep rooted prejudices towards Jews, as there are with many different races or religions. Unfortunately that sort of bigotry and hatred is the direct result of ignorance and that’s a pandemic the world has yet to find a cure for. But that does not mean that there are not problems within the Jewish community or the Jewish State. As a matter of fact there is growing concern that there are, in fact, BIG problems which could be reaching critical mass in Israel. The sharp increase in the number of political scandals that have shaken the very core of the Israeli government in recent years has become an increasingly talked about topic in Israel if nowhere else.

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    By John Lowell, March 21, 2007 at 6:33 am Link to this comment
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    Right from the get-go, Goldberg makes the preposterous contention that the neo-cons who have given the us both the war in Iraq and AIPAC a bad name did so following on existing Bush Admininistration policy and not as architechs of it. It was oil, not to secure Israel’s safety that we were taken into war. Sure it was, Mr. Goldberg, you just keep believing that. I didn’t need to hear anything more. Mr. Goldberg, you give us nothing beside omerta with latkas.

    John Lowell

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    By big koala, March 20, 2007 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment
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    Given the contribution Jews have made to world civilization (about 25% of Noble Prize winners are Jewish), perhaps they also deserve a small slice of the planet.
    There are a couple of dozen of Moslem nations, many Christian and even Buddhist countries.  Why the objection to a Jewish country?
    There are nearly a million Israeli Arabs living in Israel, with full citizenship rights.  There are tens of thousands of Ethiopian Jews living there, Jews from almost all Arab nations.  Israeli society can hardly be called “racist.”  At the same time, Jewish communities that have existed throughout Arabia and North Africa for thousands of years have disappeared, their members impirsoned, oppressed and exiled.  The only country in the MiddleEast that even vaguely resembles a liberal, secular democracy is Israel, where women are treated as full citizens, where dissent is allowed, where there is a free press and free elections, where people can be openly gay, atheists, even anti-Zionists. 
    Israel does what it must to defend itself from terrorists, and while it has problems, like all nations, will survive due to the dedication, intelligence and spirit of its people.
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    By mark, March 20, 2007 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment
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    I believe AIPAC officers are waiting trial for spying on the U.S.

    ... The FBI had been covertly investigating senior Pentagon analyst, Larry Franklin and AIPAC leaders, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman for several years prior to their indictment for spying. On August 29, 2005 the Israeli Embassy predictably hotly denied the spy allegation. On the same day Larry Franklin was publicly named as a spy suspect…

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    By manny, March 20, 2007 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment
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    As long has our political system is held hostage
    to the Zionist lobby control we will never be a free people. In every part of this country, you will not find one politicain that dares to speak in any negative manner concerning Israel.
    We will live withn this decay until it destroys our nation.

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    By Ben Door, March 20, 2007 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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    All one has to do is see how Pelosi reacted to a few boos at the AIPAC convention she ran back and eliminated the provision in the Iraq bill that would have encouraged Bush to follow the constitution if he wants war with Iran and seek congressional approval because it was “bad for Israel” how aout whats bad for America first. The whole lot of them democrats and republicans have sold out. We need some America first people in Washington. Imagine trying to get approval on a bipartisan basis for anything here in the US. But for Israel…its a min 90 senators all in lock step. Amazing

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    By john merriman, March 20, 2007 at 11:14 am Link to this comment
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    aipac needs to register as a foreign agent…neocons do the bidding of the zionist and the christian zionist give them ligitimacy from the purely american side, because we know jewish americans are dual loyalist who take up sides with israel against the country that has protected them for centuries.

    i love the fact the the issue is forcing itself into the light of day….its the same old question that the original zionist tried to solve for the world ...the jewish question..but why must it keep surfacing?

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    By Bradd Graves, March 20, 2007 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
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    Nothing the speaker says lessens the culpability of AIPAC and Israel in encouraging the Iraq War in the first place and perpetuating Bush’s surge strategy. Now that things are going badly, I’m hearing more Jewish voices attempting to distance Jewish interests from their deep complicity in this fiasco. But then everyone except Dick Cheney is doing the same thing.

    Of course no one should blame “all Jews,” and particularly American Jews, for the behavior of the Israelis and their most rabid American supporters in AIPAC. But the fact remains that Israel kills far, far more innocent Palestinians every year than the other way around. The New York Times (and all other mainstream American media) buries and obfuscates these stories as much as possible, while playing up any Israeli death at the hand of a Palestinian to maximum effect.

    It’s an absurd myth that Israel in particular or Jews in general today are victims of widespread persecution simply because they are Jews. These days, the number of Jews within the ranks of the persecutors and powermad is higher than those in the ranks of the victims.

    Thanks to the speaker for reporting that there are 20,000 to 25,000 Jews in Iran who don’t want to leave! That’s a fact that will never appear in American media.

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    By John Howard, March 19, 2007 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment
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    I have never heard a Jewish person speak so candidly about politics in the Jewish community.  I find Goldberg’s perspective refreshing and necessary in a world where Jews are often villainized without explanation.

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    By Quy Tran, March 19, 2007 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment
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    Zionism looks very much like terrorism !

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