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Posted on Mar 12, 2007

The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network put together this collection of testimonials about the impact of “don’t ask, don’t tell” on the military and the prevalence of discrimination against gay and lesbian soldiers.

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By Hesperion, August 17, 2008 at 10:50 pm Link to this comment

Adanedhel, It would be rather impractical to relocate some 20% of the population simply because the bigots in USA don’t like us.

Mike, You are very correct and have obviously been paying attention. You can expect they will reiterate the declaration of war on us again at their Fascist Party convention on Sept. 1st in Minneapolis. You can also expect that ANY gains we ever make will be met with backlashes because this is the nature of Americans. The are hypocrites to the bone, get used to it.

Mitchell Grobeson, What are you going to do when you are ordered to turn your guns on peaceful protesters or gatherings of citizens and required to go and raid their homes without warrant or real cause? How will you respond when they order you to go and round up gay activists and individuals for being gay? It is really just a matter of time now when you will be confronted with that situation.

Derek, The USA will NEVER do anything but debate and argue over it’s gay citizens. It’s merely a handy political football to kick around at times. If we make progress in human rights there will be an automatic process commence to reverse it. Planning for some sort of “transition” training is an absurd pipe dream. The military has required minority sensitivity training for years now and I have not heard one soldier, sailor or marine that has not resented that and tacitly decided not to comply. Rape and gratuitous violence by the bigots have dramatically increased. This is the nature of Americans. Forget about it and just give up, you’ll feel much better.

Dale Headley, The logic is firm in your remarks however, as I have been saying, we are discussing the AMERICAN military, not some sensible and sensibly run organization. The “powers that be” are counting on that discrimination to “handle” the problem for them. A sort of “final solution” if you will. This government, all it’s agencies and the military is now so infested with these Neocon cockroaches and neo-fascists that it will NEVER be reformed. The want cannon fodder it’ true, but the gays will enter into service completely at their own risks. They have pretended to appear to look the other way but if something happens, tough shit!.

Welcome to the “Greatest Nation in the World” that “Shining Beacon on the Hill” “The Land of the Free” (if you fit the profile). It’s rapidly going down the tubes and upon much reflection, that might be a very good thing for the planet if it did.

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By Adanedhel, August 16, 2008 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment
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What I can’t understand why american gays and lesbians want to serve a country that treats them as third class non-citizens to begin with? Migrate to Canada and serve a country that deserves serving.

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By Mike, April 20, 2007 at 2:05 am Link to this comment
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I hate to say it but I have known for a long time that we gay people are not considered citizens in any real sense of the word. The only reason this issue is being revisited is that they are hurting for troops for their endless war on “whatever that was, way over there”. Interesting that these are the same people that have declared a “Culture War” on us within the country. Oh They’ll take our tax money just fine but we can’t expect too much in the way of safety, rights and equal protection under the law.

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By Mitchell Grobeson, March 16, 2007 at 12:49 am Link to this comment
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As the first openly gay police officer in the para-military Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), and as the coordinator of the Nation’s FIRST panel of litigants opposing the policy of banning LGBT Armed Forces service personnel, I can tell you that not only have I had the privilege of meeting the best military role models (who were gay or lesbian veterans who served our country with distinction), but that I also was able to have the authority to carry firearms and to take a life if necessary, and graduated #1 from the police academy, saved seven lives in one year, received 135 letters of commendation (plus a City Council Commendation) in one year, and helped protect both the Pope on his visit to the USA and also the Olympic athletes in 1984.  Sexual orientation SHOULD NOT BE A BARRIER in serving or protecting our communities nor our country.  If a person is willing to take a bullet to protect liberty or life, why does their being gay make a difference?  It doesn’t.

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By Groovesmoothly, March 13, 2007 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment
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Due to the moral code that I was taught in Sunday school and the Boy Scouts I try not judge the conduct of others because it’s hard enough minding my own. I consider it a waste of time to take issue with whom anyone has consentual sex with let alone falls in love with because love is the root of moral behavior.
I do however consider anyone that, intentionally or not, ever kills or rapes, has others kill or rape, or celebrates killing or raping another human being to be lacking the most rudimentary level of morality possible and therrefore disqualified to judge anothers morality.
I wonder if General Peter Pace (a gay porn name if I ever heard one) has ever seen American Beauty. That homophobia can really drive a soldier crazy.
My gay-bor (gay neighbor) just suggested that maybe the General just doesn’t want anyone to “ask” him. He also said that his mouth is really pretty and ooooh-la-la that fabulously crisp uniform is so old school Banana Republic hot!

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By Derek, March 13, 2007 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment
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When gay people are allowed to serve openly like everyone else there needs to be training on how to deal with the transition.  Other countries have successfully allowed gay people to serve openly like Britain and Canada.  I think it will happen within the next seven years.

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By rober puglia, March 13, 2007 at 11:42 am Link to this comment
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don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t enlist, don’t serve a government which would enslave you. peter pace’s stilted sanctimonious pronouncements regarding morality are what chris hedges warns about in his reports on fascism. exhorting one’s neighbors to rout, vilify and expel other neighbors makes one at best the worst neighbor and at worst hitler. as for mel white’s assertion that my people are losing their will to fight, he speaks for himself. i need no throng to stand with me in defiance of delusional hatemongers, the cretinous dobson et al. 
thackeray said all cowards are liars in their hearts. ain’t it the truth?

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By Dale Headley, March 13, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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Having lowered their standards in terms of age, education, and criminal histories, it is ironic that the military still resists allowing openly gay and lesbian soldiers to serve, regardless of what they have to contribute.  Now that it is becoming clear that wounded soldiers cannot depend on quality care when they return, increased recruitment problems may force the military to reconsider its self-defeating discrimination agains homosexuals.

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