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Podcast: Outsports on Gay Athletes, Hardaway’s Homophobia and More

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Posted on Feb 20, 2007
Amaechi and Hardaway
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After John Amaechi (left) became the first openly gay former NBA player, Tim Hardaway responded by saying he hated gay people.

Truthdig contributors James Harris and Joshua Scheer are joined by special guest Cyd Zeigler Jr. of outsports.com. Zeigler sounds off on athletes in the closet, the myth that keeps them there and why the homophobic tirade of Tim Hardaway was a good thing. 


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    By Lefty, February 24, 2007 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment
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    I think Tim Hardaway has some serious doubt, and shame, about his own sexual preferences.

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    By C.P.T.L., February 22, 2007 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment
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    I have an idea.  Let’s isolate a bunch of men with high school educations, make them wealthy ego-maniacs, treat them like spokesmen and models for our society; and then send a bunch of people who spend all their time thinking about other people who play sports to ask them stuff, and treat their silly answers as touchstones and guides for our national dialog and debate.  ‘Should work, right?

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    By Logician, February 22, 2007 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
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    Re#54666 by RAE:

    Gee, how do you REALLY feel about the matter?! And don’t spare us any, now.

    Seriously, I loved it.  Growing up in Omaha, I witnessed first hand the idiocy you speak of. 

    But be of good cheer, RAE.  If nothing else, the many hours a week these genetic wastes spend watching this stuff at least keeps them from breeding that much longer.

    There is some hope in that.

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    By tyler, February 21, 2007 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment
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    To ALL you idiots who’s comments seemed to be more about how pissed off you are that pro athletes make more money than you than the actual issue!  Bigotry is WRONG! No matter where you are, what you do, or how much you make, it is and always will be wrong.  I can’t understand that with all the progress mankind has made in the last even 50 years, that a huge majority of people in the world are still FREAKED OUT by two people of the same sex having a loving, stable and yes, even romantic relationship.  How does it affect anyone but the two people in that relationship?  Are YOUR lives in danger, YOUR job at stake, YOUR status in your own community affected by someone elses decisions that might differ from yours in ONE area?  I work with a number of gay people, and guess what?  It’s not contageous, and for all you idiot guys out there who think that all gay dudes are checking you out, THEY’RE NOT!  PLEASE, get over yourselves and your own insecurities and how ‘bout we move our thoughts to more important issues, like the thousands upon thousands of people around the world, and in our own countries who are losing their lives becasue of lack of basic human needs?  And for those of you who will dismiss this rant and label me a sinner and cast my soul to hell(not like any of you read this god-forsaken, leftist heathon web site), I can think of at least 10 commandments that you need to worry about before condemning everyone else!

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    By andre, February 21, 2007 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment
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    Well, acting as the devil’s advocate here…

    I’m no professional sports fan. In fact, I couldn’t care less about it.

    That said, I do appreciate the talent certain men and women have when it comes to throwing, kicking, or hitting round objects.

    I’d never pay to watch that sort of thing, much as I wouldn’t pay to watch a great chef make fried tofu a la mode, but I’ve (briefly) stopped to look at talented people hit a target, or throw/kick a ball into a basket/net—or right at someone’s nose or crotch area.

    On the other hand ... don’t get me started on the tribalism, the idol worshipping, and the sheer dishonesty—i.e., regular men who must create Superman personae, or else—found in the realm of professional sports.

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    By Christopher Robin, February 21, 2007 at 11:01 am Link to this comment
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    This is not about sports, the black community or the NBA. To focus there, misses the larger picture.

    This is about the real world, not a TV set or sitcom. These athletes are a reflection of where and how they grew up, not just LA or NY.

    This is not a specific NBA problem. As far as I know, there was homophobia long before the NBA ever existed. Not the other way around. They don’t give some test to be certain that your a bigot before you join any team. Your seeing a reflection of common male society.

    As much as those who want to believe there has been progress, please don’t mistake superficial tolerance, with acceptance and respect.

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    By RAE, February 21, 2007 at 8:40 am Link to this comment
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    Tom wrote:

    “For me that’s doesn’t matter what this guys do or think out of professional sport,the matter is what they do in SPORT!”

    Poor Tom. Tom, Tom, Tom… sorry to have to break the news to you BUT IT DOESN’T EVEN MATTER WHAT THEY DO IN SPORT! I agree with Bert… professional sport is a “colossal waste of time and money.”

    Sport is a PASTTIME…something to do, IN MODERATION, for health reasons and for fun, or when you can’t possibly find anything else to do with your time. And that’s to actually get off your ass and PARTICIPATE in it. To deliberately pay huge dollars to just SIT THERE AND WATCH is about as stupid a way to waste your money and your life as I can think of.

    To elevate sport to the status it enjoys in our societies is ridiculous. To PAY someone who can run faster than most people, or throw a ball, shoot a puck better, MILLIONS of dollars MORE than a teacher or doctor, indicates just how screwed up our value system is. What they call “auto racing” is at the top of my list of the MOST STUPID. Those who support it are even more “brain-dead” than those to participate.

    What they call “professional sport” is NOTHING BUT BIG BUSINESS… it exists NOT FOR THE FANS but to EXTRACT as much money as possible FROM THE FANS and into the pockets of those who have little else to contribute to society.

    It’s pathetic… and because there are millions of idiots out there who just can’t wait for their next adrenaline fix-by-proxy, it succeeds to make millionaires out of those who likely couldn’t qualify for a job flipping burgers.

    And let’s not even get into the completely idiotic practise of actually PAYING for a complete university education for someone just because they can run or jump… I can’t find the words to express my disgust for the value system that entertains that notion.

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    By Derek, February 20, 2007 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment
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    I don’t understand Cyd’s thinking.  The fact is most Americans are anti-gay.  From hate crime laws to books Americans have said gays are not welcome.  It’s a battle to get hate crime laws for LGBT people even brought up let alone passed in almost any place in the country.  People that do harm to LGBT people receive less punishment than equal crimes committed to straight people.  Gay people are paid less than straight people even though gay people on average are better educated.  Gay-related media in libraries are either placed on the top shelf, in an obscure location or banner all together.  Sports and the military are still overwhelmingly anti-gay institutions.  I agree things have gotten substantially better but they are not as good as Cyd believes. 

    Cyd’s assessment of gay sex in the black community is a bit exaggerated.  It’s still a problem and one that many black people refuse to acknowledge.

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    By Tom, February 20, 2007 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment
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    For me that’s doesn’t matter what this guys do or think out of professional sport,the matter is what they do in SPORT!

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    By Bert, February 20, 2007 at 10:20 am Link to this comment
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    I’ve never wasted money on watching professional sports, either in person or on cable, why drop half a car payment on watching a bunch of grown up guys get paid too much money to chase a little ball? Sure, the sports betting people and the advertisers make lots of money, but there’s more to life than a ballgame. Imagine, if you will, for a moment, just how monumentally LARGE a moon-base we could have had by now, how many rooms would be in the space hotel, what kind of cars we might be driving today, if they’d taken say, half the money they’ve spent on ‘defense’ and professional sports combined for the past decade, and utilized it to just build the G.D. things. Just ponder that concept. Why is TV full of crappy commercials and exercises in futility like pro sports? Because that’s where the Big Money goes. Gay, straight, or otherwise, I don’t really care who wears the jersey, it’s still a colossal waste of time and money. Brain-dead jackasses with a lust for money and too much free time, that’s what I see…

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