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Posted on Feb 4, 2007
McCain and Hagel

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., took turns trash-talking each other’s Iraq proposals on Sunday’s “This Week.” Hagel threw McCain’s words back at him, calling his benchmark plan for Iraq “disingenuous,” while McCain said that, other than his own, “they’re all bad options….”


Chuck Hagel on John McCain’s benchmark plan:

Yes, and then having no consequences, now that’s intellectually dishonest. So what are the consequences? Are we then going to pull out? If the benchmarks are not met by the Maliki government, are we then going to walk out? Are we then going to bring our troops home? Are we going to cut funding? Now, that falls more in the intellectually dishonest category.

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McCain defends his plan:

Well, the consequences are obvious. I mean, if they’re not meeting those benchmarks, then obviously the new strategy isn’t succeeding. And I can’t tell you what the other options are, because there are no good options to this. If there was a good option to what we’re doing, to sending more young Americans in harm’s way, I’d tell you. They’re all bad options, in my view, if this one isn’t supported and succeeds.

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By Polly Ester, February 6, 2007 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
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More of the same: ” The procedural vote, which divided mostly along party lines, left the Democratic leadership 11 votes short of the 60 needed to begin debate on the bipartisan resolution. Forty-seven Democrats and two Republicans voted to open debate on the resolution; 45 Republicans and one independent were opposed.

The Republicans run a risk with their resistance in the event Democrats are able to persuade the public that Mr. Bush’s allies are stonewalling in the Senate and shielding the president from criticism over an unpopular war. But their show of unity, with war critics including Mr. Warner of Virginia and Senator Chuck Hagel, Republican of Nebraska, siding with the leadership, lent some credibility to Republican claims that Democrats were being unfair. “I am confident that somehow this matter will be worked out,” Mr. Warner said.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/06/washington/06cong.html?_r=1&th&emc;=th&oref=slogin

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By Hank Van den Berg, February 6, 2007 at 9:08 am Link to this comment
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Hagel always sounds good on television, but he never votes against Bush.  He did it again yesterday, voting against his own anti-escalation resolution.  When are you going to stop pretending this two-faced coward will really oppose the Bush dictatorship?
Stop giving Hagel space in your blog.  He is part of the problem, and he will never be part of the solution.

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By Jon, February 5, 2007 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment
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McCain voted for and continues to support the war in Iraq where we have no business there to begin with. One can talk about Saddam but is one man’s life worth tens of thousands lives including GIs, civilians, children and babies?

Hagel knows the mistake made. He knows the failed policy. It’s time to cut losses before losing more.

Hagel is far superior a leader than McCain.

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By Steve Hammons, February 5, 2007 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment
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McCain is using the same psychological and emotional ploy he tried a few weeks ago when he stated a redeployment out of Iraq would lead to a “defeated” US Army and Marine Corps.

He is clearly trying to equate the invasion and occupation of Iraq with the honor and competency of our troops.

His new campaign slogan should be, “More US troops’ blood for McCain campaign.” Disgusting. He is a disgrace to the great state of Arizona.

For more on this, see:

Army and Marine Corps will retain strength and honor after Iraq occupation ends

By Steve Hammons
American Chronicle
December 14, 2006

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=18005

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By Margaret Currey, February 5, 2007 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment
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Ithink that Hagel will run for president on the Republician side he seems the only straight talker so far,he might make a good president, but the Democrats seem as though they will make it this year, if the election is not stolen,it was stolen under Gore and it was stolen under Kerry,the person to watch is John Kerry he seems like a straight up kind of guy of course most women think that Hilary would be a good president and she could win if only the Republicians would let the Bill Clinton thing be a thing of the past, and to be honest why should Hilary be held to task for basically standing by her man, the thing this Congress should do is to start impeachment after the Libby Trial after all leaking some information is criminal and Chaneyis indeed a driminal.

Margaret from Vancouver Washington

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By Joe, February 5, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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So, who anointed Senator “Flip-flop” McCain as the White House spokesperson? Or that what he says has any more value than Senator Hagel’s - or that of anyone else? It’s bad enough having the self-proclaimed wit Snow mouthing the propaganda of this administration without Bush’s acolyte McCain chiming in

Why do the media give so much attention to his comments? What has he done that he wasn’t elected to do as a senator?

We all realize that the was a POW - and survived. That is great - but it doesn’t give him any special insights into life - his or this nation’s.

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By Larry, February 5, 2007 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment
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McCain is Bush’s Trojan Whore.
I remember hearing McCain tell media-whore Larry King a few years ago that during the Viet Nam War, the “Vietnamese actually thought we were their enemy!” Those ungrateful Vietnamese!
And this stooge wants to be president?

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By Quy Tran, February 5, 2007 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment
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They’re at same level ! Just keep your mouths closed ! Your trash talks are enough for our cleanless air.

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By Sharon Ash, February 5, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment
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John McCain had the opportunity in the 2004 elections to prove that he actually cared about our troops, not just his political career.  John Kerry was attempting to bring to light the fact that our troops had been rushed to war without the proper body armor along with other conditions which were being falsely protrayed by the Bush Administration.  McCain knew that Kerry was correct, but he chose to stick like glue to Bush, and back Bush’s failed policies, because it seemed like the best move for his political career, rather than come forward and admit that what Kerry was saying was correct. I lost all respect for John McCain because he did not step up and speak the truth he knew.  As a result, many more of our troops have died, many more Iraqis have died and many more billions have been wasted.  John McCain is just another politician, and is presidential material only in the windmills of his mind.  He is another Bush,  willing to let our troops die and Iraqis be killed in the hopes that by some chance they can come out looking good by the choices they made on Iraq.

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By TexasGreen, February 5, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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Ever wish that Senators could be traded like baseball players?  Wouldn’t it be great if we Democrats could trade that sanctimonious a**hole Joe Lieberman for Chuck Hagel?  And Olympia Snowe…she should really ask to be traded to the Democratic team, as well.  If only…

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By Alejandro, February 5, 2007 at 9:27 am Link to this comment
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Mccain is clearly suffering from PTSD, and I don’t mean this as a joke. If you watch and listen closely you can see the gaps in his mind set. He really isn’t here. He appears to be struggling to maintain the fascade of competance he has built around himself. I believe the terrors and demons of his past are clouding his judgment. Hopfully he gets the help he needs, because a person in power that suffers unchecked symptoms of mental disorders can be very dangerous. Surely I’m not the only one who sees this?

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By Polly Ester, February 5, 2007 at 9:10 am Link to this comment
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Benchmarks “schemnchmarks” stop funding this war; start impeachment hearings now, and stop any attempt to invade Iran—-someone in Washington must have some guts.  No one voted for this craziness—-these politicians do not represent the will of the people.

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By anonymous, February 5, 2007 at 7:44 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t it time somebody explored the dangers of our STAYIING in Iraq?

To listen to the “experts”, you’d think staying was the only chance we have of keeping the region from exploding.

As usual, they’ve got it backwards.

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By Jackie T. Gabel, February 4, 2007 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment
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The New World Oligarchy is calling all the shots. These guys are all puppets. What’s gone wrong is among the Straussian, Strangelove, neocon operatives now planning to launch on Iran while assuming Russia and China will do nothing. There’s a schism over this, and a faction of the NWO is leaning on certain politicians and working behind the scenes in a hectic scramble to rein in the madmen before they start WWIII.

We’re also now seeing copious limited hangouts on the 911 coup, essentially calling it an intelligence “failure,” not the stunning intelligence “success” that it was; e.g. NORAD tapes, first responder tapes, books by Woodward, Lance, Drumheller, Ritter, et al. — all in an effort to change course without blowing the 911 coverup, exploding the biggest constitutional crisis since the Civil War and precipitating a global financial meltdown, all of which is inevitable — best to get it over with and wipe the slate — Support 911Truth - End War of Terror

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