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Posted on Jan 16, 2007
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The McLaughlin Group chews over Barbara Boxer’s mythical “attack” on Condoleezza Rice in this clip. The right has tried to paint the senator’s comments as an ad hominem diatribe, but here’s what she actually said:

“Who pays the price? I’m not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families. And I just want to bring us back to that fact.”

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By Montie Shields USAF RET., January 18, 2007 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment
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It is way past due that our elected officials
start critizing that White House gang. The ent-
ire bunch has been lying to the world not just
the American people. Remember after the 2004
election how people from other countries said
how dumb, and stupid the American people was.
Well I say more power to you Barbara Boxer try
to get more of those Wimpocrats to follow your
lead. I am still waiting for someone to ask
Condoleezza Rice to explain about that Mush-
room cloud she used to terrorize many Americans.
How Saddam even if he had one he could have got
it to Create a Mushroom Cloud in America. When
that bunch of crooks,and liars get what’s coming
to them legally a National holiday should be
declared.

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By Al Sharpman, January 18, 2007 at 12:01 am Link to this comment
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Is anyone surprised that a retarded liberal (Herr Boxer) has a balance-sheet perspective on human life, on relatives no less? Parents don’t force their sons and daughters to join the military - so why does Boxer wish to hold up invalid, second-hand “sacrifice” as a measure? One’s offspring chooses to join, fully aware of the death risk. A good parent respects a son’s or daughter’s choice for the courage and dedication it entails. “Sacrifice” or “paying a price” can only apply to those who made the choice to join and potentially die. Allow parents their sorrow, but not the ‘paying of a price’ for a decision that wasn’t theirs. It’s just life, free will & tragedy. And does the volunteer die because of the war, or because of his or her choice to bravely enter the war zone exposing them to lethal risk? Let us not diminish the courage, valor and glory of the courageous soldier who alone made the risky decision to fight. Let’s not have parents and politicians tarnishing or diluting valorous military service by riding on the coat tail of the deceased volunteer, or reducing a brave life to their own loss or ‘sacrifice’ for the country at the hands of war, or government or the administration. Our volunteers consciously choose to potentially die protecting us - they alone deserve all the honor. They alone pay for that decision. Remember the common, stateside line: “No one here can understand what I went through over there.” No one indeed, except fellow veterans. Boxer exploited, to make an irrational attack on Rice, an existential realm alien and forever closed to her. And it was as cheap as she is morally bankrupt. A balance sheet of relatives losing their lives as a tool of political agrumentation… pathetically exploitive. Beneath low.

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By van priest, January 16, 2007 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment
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The point is really simple, if the President did not ask for a mortality rate and the sec of state did not care, then they are criminal.

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By Mad As Hell, January 16, 2007 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment
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Condaleeza Rice was a major architect of the policy that led to this war, that led to 3200 dead American men and women, that led to over 20,000 casualties, that led to 650,000 dead Iraqis.  For every one of them and their families, this was is D*** PERSONAL!  So if it gets pointed out to Condaleeza Rice that SHE doesn’t have to experience the pain they are going through, and maybe she should, well that’s too bad.

Theodore Roosevelt was a BIG proponent of opportunistic wars, like to talk of “Manly Values”, but when his OWN son (one of a slew of children) was killed in World War I, TR went into a depression he couldn’t shake and died, basically, of a broken heart.

The moral?  It’s EASY to go to war when other families are paying the price but not you and yours.  It’s tough when YOU have to pay it too, and THEN you make damn sure it’s for a just cause.

Rice and everybody banging the drum for this war don’t pay the price.  Maybe they should, like Rove’s son, Andrew, who’s 20 or 21.  Or the Bush twins.  Then maybe this wouldn’t be “Oh, what a lovely war!”

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By Angel Gabriel, January 16, 2007 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment
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Hold their feet to the Fire Ms. Boxer! You aptly pointed out who stands to lose, and who bare’s the sacrifice - but the point that is still lacking and shrouded in darkness is who stands to gain. When that is brought into the debate the truth comes to the light of day as to the reason’s we are expending American and Iraqi lives.

As a father myself, no one understands the loss of a child as does a parent. My heart felt condolences to you Gold Star Father yours has been the ultimate sacrifice along with the countless thousands of others who continue to pay the price for this ungodly act against humanity. How can Rice et al - (administration) continue to look at themselves in a mirror? Shameless! Disgusting!

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By Quy Tran, January 16, 2007 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment
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Both of them not deserve to discuss. Chimpanzee and monkey are at the same category !

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By HeadlessHessian, January 16, 2007 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment
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Ad hominem.  Most of the population has no clue what that means.  Anyhow I think Boxer was on the money.  These people need to be held accountable, and that, thank goodness, has begun in ernest!  And now that the heat is being turned on, the republicans are dropping from Bush’s side in droves. 
I am sure that if the Shrub twins were in the service, or the Darth daughters things would be much different.  Boxer was right on the money, hitting that idiot where it counts.  I have a friend that supports the Shrub, so one day I asked him about this war, he supported it he said.
So…I said ‘next time you think of this war, picture your son in a body bag…look at him! Picture him in a coffin!!!  Now tell me it was worth it. 
He has not supported the war since.

I hate this president.  I hate all he stands for, I hate all he has done to this country.  January of 2009 can’t come fast enough!

Headless

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By Richard Pietrasz, January 16, 2007 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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Boxer ignores most of the real price; the US military and their families pay a small portion of it.  It is the Iraqis who pay almost all of the price.

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By Sven Heinicke, January 16, 2007 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment
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For me, this has been an half-ass war.  The USA is not going all out.  The ultimate sacrifice should not be the only sacrifice.  When we first invaded, I was expecting for the government to ask residents to try to use less in order to make resources more available for the troops, and I wanted to do so to help with the war effort!  All we got was Mr. Bush asking us to try to live normally and his friends war profiteering.  In a time of war, life should not be normal, I was willing to tighten my belt.  Instead the next generation may be forced to tighten there belts, plus we loose the war.

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By Tom, January 16, 2007 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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Name calling aside the most frightening aspect of the conversation is that Ms. Rice feels that there is no way of estimating casualties from the present plan.  The logistics of war dicatate hat you have a good idea of the cost in men and material that you will have to use - giving the troops “some” bullets, and “some” water doesn’t work. Every insurance company can tell you how many new drivers between the ages of 16-20 will die in any six month period, I’d expect the military to be at least as good. Many armies in the past were known for their honesty in this regard, telling the troops that the battle was essential but that only one in three would live to tell about it.
Then maybe she’s just playing with words, it’s not that she doesn’t know, but that she can’t tell what the numbers will be.

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By Patricia Langdon, January 16, 2007 at 11:30 am Link to this comment
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I got the point Ms Boxer made, these people making decisions on who’s going to die have nothing to lose….regular Moms and Dads definitely do.  Stop the spin.

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By Reggie, January 16, 2007 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
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Barbara and Condi have really been duking it out for awhile now.  You can just sense the resentment between those two when they are forced to converse like that.  yikes!  I was looking for all of the other incidents between the 2 and use this site as a referece point.  It has snippets of passed articles regarding Barabra and Condi.

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By Don Stivers, January 16, 2007 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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Remember:  Our military volunteered to DEFEND our country, NOT to Attack another country.  And even as a lifetime Republican, I have not sacrificed one thing for this war.  I have had my taxes reduced and I sleep in a warm bed.  I have prayed since before the war began that our troops would not be sent on an offensive mission.  Bush and his team needs to pole those Iraqis who have died, been injured or have lost loved ones and those who live without good water and electric power to see if our invasion was worth it to bring down Sadam H.  And we have lost over 3,000 good men and women to this war as well as over 20,000 injured.

Sincerely, Don Stivers

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By Jody W, January 16, 2007 at 7:24 am Link to this comment
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We ALL pay the price because we are ALL Americans and everyone has a stake in this!

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By Palladio, January 16, 2007 at 6:14 am Link to this comment
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It was entirely appropriate.

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By Gold Star Father, January 16, 2007 at 4:14 am Link to this comment
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As a Marine Corps veteran and a father of a Marine killed in action in Iraq, I salute Senator Boxer for publically stating what many of us have long felt.  The Bush Administration as a whole totally lacks the concept that relatively very few families have borne the horrible impact of this war.  Condi Rice and Bush make glorious statements about how they have met the families of those killed and wounded in action and they “feel their pain”.  Bullshit; they will never know any pain of losing a child to their fantasies. They continue with their vain ego trip of “victory” in Iraq while ignoring that most of this country does not support this mission, either in belief or family flesh.  For Condi (and Fox News, et al) to be indignent that Senator Boxer attacked her “feminism” and her single-professional-black-woman-without-children status is as ridiculous as their justification for starting this war and continuing it against all sound advice.

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