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James Dobson Identifies Cause of Homosexuality

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Posted on Nov 25, 2006
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Dr. James Dobson, leading light of the Christian right, says people are neither born gay nor choose to be gay.  They’re just mama’s boys.


 

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    LARRY KING: How’s [disgraced evangelist Ted Haggard] doing?

    DOBSON: I don’t know. I haven’t talked to him since it happened.

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    KING: Oh, you haven’t?

    DOBSON: I talked to him the day that the news broke and I have not talked to him since then.

    KING: Was he sad that day?

    DOBSON: Oh, of course. I mean you can imagine he was shocked, he was numb, he even lied about it. There’s a video of him saying that none of these things are true, but they were true, or at least some of them were.

    KING: When you say, Doctor, when you say “restoration,” you mean restore him from being gay to not gay or what do you mean?

    DOBSON: Yeah, probably that, too. But in Galatians 6.1, there is a scripture that says when, “Brothers, when one of you falls into sin, those who are spiritual should work to restore him gently.” That is the scripture behind the restoration process and that word, and three men, now will oversee discipline,  punishment—if there is any, therapy, his behavior, his money, his future and will lead him if he is willing to cooperate, and apparently he is—through a restoration process. We don’t want to just kick him out, I mean, he’s lost his church, obviously, but there’s still concern for him as an individual.

    KING: We discussed this before in the past, but not recently: Do you still believe that being gay is a choice rather than a given?

    DOBSON: I never did believe that.

    KING: Oh, you don’t believe it?

    DOBSON: I don’t believe that. Neither do I believe it’s genetic. I said that ...

    KING: Then what is it?

    DOBSON: I said that on your program one time and both of us got a lot of mail for it. I don’t blame homosexuals for being angry when people say they’ve made a choice to be gay, because they don’t. It usually comes out of very, very early childhood, and this is very controversial, but this is what I believe and many other people believe, that is has to do with an identity crisis that occurs too early to remember it, where a boy is born with an attachment to his mother and she is everything to him for about 18 months, and between 18 months and five years, he needs to detach from her and to reattach to his father.

    It’s a very important developmental task, and if his dad is gone or abusive or disinterested or maybe there’s just not a good fit there, what’s he going to do? He remains bonded to his mother and ...

    KING: Is that clinically true or is that theory?

    DOBSON: No, it’s clinically true, but it’s controversial. What homosexual activists, especially, would like everybody to believe is that it is genetic, that they don’t have any choice. If it were genetic, Larry—and before we went on this show, you and I were talking about twin studies—if it were genetic, identical twins would all have it. Identical twins, if you have a homosexuality in one twin, it would be there in the other.

    KING: Right.

    DOBSON: So, it can’t be simply genetic. I do believe that there are temperaments that individuals are born with that make them more vulnerable and maybe more likely to move in that direction, but it usually is related to a sexual identity crisis.

    KING: Our guest, Dr. James Dobson. Always great to have him with us.


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    By Former transvestite, April 22, 2012 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment
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    Interesting that people are so quick to dismiss Freud or accept his theories as
    “debunked” just because some people say they have been. I’m not sure if begin
    gay or a transvestite are linked, but with that, I’ll share my experience for what
    it’s worth. I grew up with a mother who I became quite close to (“best friends”
    even) when my dad was away with the military. When he returned, I was
    introduced to a controlling, overbearing rage-aholic. Not only did I proceed to
    grow up quite passive and shy myself, but my sexuality consisted almost solely
    of wearing the clothes of the opposite sex as a turn on (with some limited
    hetero leanings). Which seems a pretty significant rejection of the
    masculine/father role if I may be permitted a little self-analysis.

    I realize my experience is unusual and wholly anecdotal…just thought I’d add it
    to the mix as food for thought, since few people here seem to have dealt with
    or admit to having had a sexual deviation. BTW, most posters on the
    transvestite boards say their predilections are wholly genetically based. I
    happen not to believe that at all. If you want to know why, read on…

    A few years ago at the age of 38, I ended up in a relationship with a sex
    therapist (yes, truth is stranger than fiction), who at one point pressured me
    with no small amount of coercion to cancel a visit with my “beloved” mother
    over some argument. My mom ended up in tears, which was severely
    traumatizing for both of us, but oddly, I was no longer turned on by
    crossdressing from that day forward. (“Cured”, to use a somewhat judgemental,
    Dobson-eque term, all though I don’t give a *** about his nutty religious right
    wing agenda).

    All I’m saying is, genetic indeed…

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    By davidand, July 20, 2008 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

    to jackie, while buddhists have never started any wars to spread their religion, it still has its problems in religious folklore… For example, there was a reason buddhists represented a small minority of kamikaze pilots… jainism, now that’s one religion that cannot be blamed for any violence whatsoever… and to k. cooke, think for yourself, and actually read the bible all the way through and then tell me you believe that…

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    By dennis raider, February 7, 2008 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment
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    you’re a sick bastard

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    By k. cooke, March 14, 2007 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment
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    To all I will choose at this time not to condemn or support any of the comments made by Dr. Dobson or anyone else. However, I will comment about my Heavenly Father and his son Jesus Christ. God is the one and only true God and his son Jesus is the Saviour of the world. I have personally accepted Jesus Christ as my savoiur and lord. I am a sinner saved by the grace of God. The bible tells us that one day every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is lord. In Christ Alone I place my trust.

    k. Cooke

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    By Jackie T. Gabel, December 3, 2006 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment
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    For those who wish to argue the existence or not of God (in particular on Christian terms), please do yourselves a favor and learn about Buddhism. Simply put, the responsibility is all yours and compassion is the highest calling. Buddha nor anyone else is God. Buddha and anyone else who attains enlightenment becomes a teacher, not a leader, not a saint, not a martyr. Finally, no wars have ever been fought to proselytiz the teachings of Buddha — it’s just about enlightenment, freedom from suffering, compassion and peace.

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    By Skruff, December 3, 2006 at 7:38 am Link to this comment
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    One of the unfortunate results of our oh so politically correct society is that all opinions have equal worth. 

    Stupid people, uneducated people, people with “doctorates” in fields unrelated to the subjects they “discuss” all just as valid as a person who has dedicated their life to the study of “THE SUBJECT” they opion on.

    The reason (and only possibally, or one of many,) that “homosexuality was not bred out” by non breeders with the “Q gene” might be that we all carry “recessive genes” which we pass on…. Witness the red headed child born to a brunette and a blonde.

    ALSO who says that homosexuals do not breed?  Ever heard of “bisexual?” or consider “just forced into a breeding relationship” by our judgemental society?

    bred out… Give me a break… Why weren’t stupid people “bred out?”

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    By archeon, December 2, 2006 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment
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    If god trancends “truth”, and “proof”, and “reality” then it is unlikely that he created this world, and if he did, he would be so “trancendant” that we would not be cognizant of his existance - actuall from our point of view he would not exist because he “transcends” existance.

    This “trancendance” idea is a recent “out” for the religious to avoid having to deal with the inconsistencies in the religious texts - or as the muslims claim: god is not bound by even his own laws or promises - we can ask nothing of god only obey his command.  So lets get out there raping and killing, burning and destroying in his name.

    Dobson is an ass, just like the god he created.

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    By texhi105, December 2, 2006 at 5:27 am Link to this comment
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    If being gay is genetic, why wasn’t if breed out of the human race thousands of years ago since it is impossible to pass down if you’re not a “breeder”?

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    By Keith, November 30, 2006 at 1:12 am Link to this comment
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    The most stupid statement in Dr Dobson’s stream of stupid statements is mentioning identical twins. Doesn’t he know that it was through studies of twins that a genetic component to homosexuality was first mooted? The incidence of homosexual preference among twins is much higher - to a statistically significant extent - than among non twins; it was this, rather then more recent attempts to identify a “gay gene” in human DNA that led researchers to suggest that there might be something innate.

    “Identical” twins aren’t identical in the sense that true clones will be: there can still be small differences in the DNA.

    By the way, the twin studies also undermine Dobson’s “maternal over-bonding hypothesis”. They were conducted on adopted twins who never knew their birth mothers and who were raised separately, by different adoptive parents.

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    By saul, November 29, 2006 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment
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    >>>>To anonymous comment # 39801.  Hi Anonymous, you seem so sure that God doesn’t exist.  I think you may want to ask yourself again if He does exist or not.  Remember, it’s not about “fact” or “proof”, God trancends those measurements. I’m not trying to be snotty btw.<<

    Can’t say there is no God , but unless you believe God is a stupid baby killig liar then the God of the Bible isn’t it.

    The god of the Bible said that a man who slept with the wife of another both shall die but when his Chosen David did this not only didn’t he die but he also got to keep the kingdom and this God that says in Deuteronomy 24:16 that a son shall not die for the sins of a father causes the death of David’s son for just that reason.
    This very same God who is supposed to know future otherwise no prophecies smiles on Solomon, gives him everything only to have Solomon turn around and spit on him by building altars to other Gods.
    While many say this story is about redemption, it really is a story that if you have an in with the judge you can break every LAW and not only get to keep the kingdom but the object of your crime, in this case Bathsheba. God’s action in this case proves he is an inept lying baby killer not someone capable of being true Creator

    By the way there is same proof about Jesus being stupid liar
    http://www.religionquestioned.com

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    By Richard Roe, November 29, 2006 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment
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    I’ve got just one question for this Dobson religious expert, and any other Christian out there who wishes to take a stab at answering too.

    And it has nothing to do with homosexuality.  It does have everything to do with clarity of religious “truth”.  And it’s in time for the season.

    Here it goes. 

    When Mary and Joseph went to Bethleham they were found in a manger where 3 kings visited them bearing gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

    What became of those incredibly valuable objects?

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    By Skruff, November 29, 2006 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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    Just wondering???

    I’ve raised 114 foster children, and if homosexuality is caused by a mother’s influence how do boys achieve this lofty position if they have never known their mothers?

    I know of four of my boys who are gay, and suspect there are more who have not chosen to disclose…. big surprise here in our ever-lsss tolerant society.

    If it were me….I’d keep my mouth closed too!

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    By archeon, November 28, 2006 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment
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    I was just ready through the interview, and find that I can come to only one conclusion.  Because of this conclusion I must appologize for my attack on Dobson.  He was born with an genetic condition that limits intellectual developement.

    This condition is commonly called stupidity.

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    By Mick Smit, November 28, 2006 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment
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    Well then, following Mr Dobson’s logic, there is only one course of action if we are to avoid the creating of more of these “immoral homosexuals”. We must have all our male babies adopted by male gay couples; this way there will no evil influence of mothers.

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    By Bob Andrews, November 28, 2006 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment
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    “My mother made me a homosexual”

    “If I give her enough yarn, will she make one for me?”

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    By jerry, November 28, 2006 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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    In regards to Dobson and his moot rhetoric, “Get on out of the closet.”

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    By downhillvet, November 27, 2006 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment
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    Dobson states that one becomes homosexual between the ages of eighteen months and five years old, Implying that the cause is is the social setting.

    That would mean that God was going to damn you to hell for a circumstance that befell you during your age of innocence. In my church, if a child dies before they can make an intelligent decision to follow God’s word they go to heaven.

    If this is true then I believe God finds all sexual identities acceptable.

    Personally, my father was a horrible man and we never bonded, but yet I find myself hopelessly Hetrosexual. Hmmmmmm?

    Tell me Dobson when did you decide to be whatever you are? Statistics indicate you have a one in ten chance of being homosexual no matter what you say?

    Too many people damn themeslves to hell by claiming they speak for God. Time will tell.

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    By archeon, November 27, 2006 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment
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    Moms are guilty of turning their otherwise “straight” sons gay, by teaching them compassion, tolerance, understanding, and humanity.  OH, right these are all the “negative” and “weak” human traits that the fundamentalists, be they Christians or Muslims don’t want men to have.  Right, it’s just too difficult to retrain them for the coming religious war.

    So Dobson spent some time in the shower naked, with his naked father “showing” him his penis???????  Maybe he (Dobson’s Dad)was “showing” the little bugger (Dobson) some “tricks” the thing could do.

    So ounce again blame women, it isn’t enought that we have blamed Eve for 5 or 6 thousand years for the fall from grace and humankinds explusion from paradise, but now they “cause” queerness.

    I suppose lesbians are too close to their dads?
    Maybe we should suspect that the mothers of homosexual men were having sex with thier sons, and that the fathers of lesbians were fucking thier daughters.

    Dobson is an ass, and so is his god.

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    By philly, November 27, 2006 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment
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    To anonymous comment # 39801.  Hi Anonymous,  you seem so sure that God doesn’t exist.  I think you may want to ask yourself again if He does exist or not.  Remember, it’s not about “fact” or “proof”, God trancends those measurements. I’m not trying to be snotty btw.

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    By Rowdy!, November 27, 2006 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment
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    Hmmm…? Dobson must have ‘detached’ too soon from his mom and ‘re-attached’ ...to his father’s dick!!!

    What a moron!

    ...and Larry, how about some real questions, next time, buddy?  Or are your lips too ‘attached” to someone’s butt-hole to think clearly?

    Good grief!

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    By TheEnd, November 27, 2006 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment
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    I’m actually somewhat surprised that there aren’t any comments on this story from anyone supporting Dobson.  I’ve read many truthdig stories by this point and participated in the comment blog thing, too.  There’s usually a decent amount of support for bad behavior, whether it’s police abuse, soldier’s in Iraq doing something atrocious, or Kansas redefining science in the classroom.  In this case, it seems no one is backing Dobson on his claims, which tells me that the average person has more sense than the good Doctor in the way of abstaining on the subject of the recent Haggard and Foley scandals.  I’m certain, however, the haters will resurface.  They just need some time to regroup. 

    What else can I say?  Everyone is gay. - Kurt Cobain

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    By Dale, November 27, 2006 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment
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    Does anyone ever think how embarrassing it is to live in the US knowing the international community has access to the babblings of these fat, hateful, illiterate slimes?

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    By robin, November 27, 2006 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
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    This is the same James Dobson who called for Bush to ‘turn Babylon into a howling wilderness where not even a cockroach could live’ in order to fulfill Biblical prophesy of expanding the Kingdom of Israel to the ‘Lands between the Two Rivers’, i.e. between the Nile and the Euphrates.  That was on a radio broadcast in late November 2002. 
    So what is the big deal about a religious demagogue calling for mass murder, genocide and ecocide, spewing out his tax subsidized poison on the American air waves.  I only wish the public would have gotten more upset at his calls to slaughter millions of Arabs prior to the Iraq invasion.  I think the gays of America have enough support to fend off this slimy creep.

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    By Chris Davis, November 27, 2006 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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    So, lemme understand this. If being gay is a choice, then straight people could easily wake up one morning and decide to be gay that day, right? Funny, I can’t see that working for me. Or a true Man’s man like Ted Haggard.

    But if it’s genetic, then gay people are born that way and you can’t chastise them for it anymore than you can chew someone out for having a rude birthmark. Clearly unsatisfactory for people who like chastisement.

    So now we have a new angle: it’s neither genetic nor chosen - it’s those damn women again, messing up their boys’ minds by paying them too much attention. What vile creatures they are! But what’s in it for the chastisers? Can you blame the poor wretches for having picked their mothers unwisely? Or blame them for being such pussies that they couldn’t resist mummy’s feminine wiles?

    This does suggest that they can be ‘cured’, though: wire their nuts up to 20,000 volts and zap ‘em each time they see a wiener, perhaps. Terrific fun - except that they tried that back in the sixties, and their subjects’ wrists remained limp. Oh, what to do?

    CD

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    By padraig, November 27, 2006 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
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    What Dobson is saying is not controversial among sociologists.  Its the norm, albeit an oversimplified version.  I think personally that Dobson is a horrid propagandist, but he did do his homework about the possible causes of homosexuality.  The bible probably wasn’t a good source though. 

    He is dead wrong on it being “curable”.

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    By Dr. Knowitall, November 27, 2006 at 9:41 am Link to this comment
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    Just talked to my lesbian neice.  She caught it from brushing up against someone in Provincetown.  So there, Dobson.  Even a Dr. Man of the Cloth can learn.  Now, I’d like to enlist your considerable knowledge on the subject and your inestimable expertise on reversing the deplorable condition by helping me market my new, revolutionary product, “Gay-Off.”  It comes with a double your money back guarantee. Spray it on and feel results in just two, short weeks.  Don’t use if you’re pregnant or could become pregnant and don’t use if you’re using nitro.  Cut back on alcohol. Talk to your Dr.(Medical, that is)to see if Gay-Off is right for you.  Gay-Off, Get Gay-Off and Get God!!  Give me a call, Doc.

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    By Leonel, November 27, 2006 at 6:21 am Link to this comment
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    King’s tv circus is one of the reasons why I only watch a couple of -other- tv shows, if ever.

    And Dobson is a loonie. No argument there.

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    By Georgia Whitman, November 27, 2006 at 3:52 am Link to this comment
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    My husband loves and respects his mother and they have a close relationship. I thought that was a plus because all of the misogynists I have met hate their mothers.

    Thank you Dr. Dobson. Without your deep insight I would have never learned that I have been married to a closet homosexual for 12 years. What a disaster. Perhaps the only rememdy is divorce and remarriage to a good old-fashioned misogynist. Yes, that’s the way to a proper marriage.

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    By Jackie T. Gabel, November 26, 2006 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment
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    DOBSON: “...it usually is related to a sexual identity crisis…”

    >>>>>>>>>

    The whole damn nation is afflicted with an historical “sexual identity crisis”— in the North we had women with healthy sexual urges being burned as witches and in the South plantation owners thumping their Bibles by day and schtupping their slaves by night.

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    By archeon, November 26, 2006 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment
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    Well Dobson and all religiouns fanatics are stupid.

    I know we should refrain from such comments, but really….what he is saying is simply….stupid.

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    By ananymous, November 26, 2006 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment
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    Dobson’s interview and opins do imply that there is 1stly,something WRONG with being gay, and 2ndly, that there’s something wrong with son’s liking/loving their mother’s.And watch out, the gay population must have skyrocketed past the usual 10% of the population.Think of how many single mom’s there are and have been since the 60’s to the present time.My nephew grew up in a single mom home and he loves women{sexually}and he Loves his mother. Seems to me that if a boy loves his mother, that he would therefore love women,NOT men!! 
    Being gay is a sexual orientation governed by genetics, the environment and how socially acceptable it is.We’re all born capable of being with both sexes,we just choose what we prefer and there are No Wrong choices.Long as no one gets hurt.

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    By archeon, November 26, 2006 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment
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    The fact that the “christians” have thrown Haggard to the “lions” is really really funny.  It never stops being a source of humour how un-christian fundamentalist-christians are.  That they can’t see the flaw in their faith is both sad and funny.

    Dobson, Haggard, Falwell, Graham - the four horsemen of the apocolypse.

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    By C Quil, November 26, 2006 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment
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    When in doubt, blame the women for being too attached to their sons and somehow “perverting” them.

    These people are IDIOTS!

    The only thing “wrong” with being gay is the attitude of idiots like this fatass Dobson and other crazies which lead them to isolate, beat up or kill people for being different to themselves.

    Thugs is suits, and they’re making a wonderful living at it.

    And why is this guy being thanked for his lamebrained, bigoted opinion of how people should be?

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    By Dr. Knowitall, November 26, 2006 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
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    Dr. Dobson is wrong.  Homosexuality is caused by a medstick:  GAY-ON, applied directly to the head.  With all the things fixable in the country and the world, why do people concern themselves so much with homosexuality and homophobics?  Gotta be sex hang-ups.  Everyone is sexually hung-up.  King knows that and knows his sponsors will prosper if he showcases an idiot pseudo-Christian like Dobson expounding with his holier-than-thou, self-righteous, Dr. Know-it-all didactic voice on the subject of sex.  It’s sleeze TV, pornography, voyuerism. It’s sport, entertainment.  Let’s talk about important stuff, like, for starters, education and hunger.  Improving both will go a long way toward helping people ignnore crap like this. And by the way, what difference could it possibly make to any other person how another’s sex-life is lived?  I doubt God (who doesn’t exist, if you hadn’t thought that through) gives a crap about anyone’s sex life, unless they’re intentionally hurting another person.  I think really Christian people should delight in their neighbor’s bringing joy to another person, whether with flowers or sex.  Don’t you want people to be happy?  I do.  The world will be a better place if people are happy.  You go have your sex; they’ll have their’s.  Try to make your partner happy.  If half the people made the other half happy, BINGO!  Why should you care where a guy puts his thing?  It’s not your thing.  You’re not even receiving it.  Let it go.  Get some help.  Have sex with your heterosexual partner.  Putting your thing someplace a Christian doesn’t want you to put it doesn’t make the putter a bad person, in any way.  When I was having a lot of sex, I was doing it with people of the opposite sex.  Never had a homosexual experience in my life.  But I know several homosexuals, and, honestly, they are, by and large, really neat, smart people.  I don’t care where they put their things.  They’re their things.  It’s up to them.  I don’t have the legal, or the moral, right to dictate what they do with their parts.  I doubt I even have the moral right to get pissed off with them when they do diverse things with their parts.  Would someone please try to explain to me why people get pissed off?  I won’t accept any religious explanation, though, because I’m an atheist and have only slightly more disdain for anything religious than I have for gay-bashers.  I didn’t care about Bill Clinton’s thing, or where he put it.  I didn’t even care so much that it happened in the Oval Office, since much more human destruction and horror has been engineered from that venue, since.  It didn’t sit well with me, though, that Bill cheated on his wife to whom he may have promised he’d never do. 
    I would bet that people who are gay would very much appreciate the rest of us not making it so hard for them to live their lives.  It’d make us better people, helping, not hindering.  God wants helpers, he doesn’t want hinderers, especially malicious ones.  Be a helper.  C’mon.

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    By philly, November 25, 2006 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment
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    I’m a Christian and I want to say that I have no time for any creepy evangelists or homophobia. 

    I also think anyone should be “allowed” to marry, who cares?  I have a hunch Jesus wouldn’t care about what anyone does behind closed doors as long as no one gets hurt.

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    By DOBSON'S MUM, November 25, 2006 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment
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    So there’s something wrong with men who are deeply attached to their mums? Why? Because some of them like wearing pastels and DON’T bash people or start wars for oil? Because they might choose to love someone that you, son, MISTER Dobson Jr, disapprove of? That’s offensive. It’s a good measure of the heart and character of a man, how close he is to his mother, gay or not gay. (And son, i DON’T CARE that you’re gay, please accept who you are and come out of the closet). Just as it takes a strong character to be proudly gay in this society, it takes an even stronger character for a man who isn’t gay to be proudly and respectfully in touch with his feminine side, considering the abuse or neglect he’s sure to get from certain sectors, male or female.

    How’s this for a premise: Agression and machismo in men is profoundly unnatural and unhealthy and results from (and in) the encouragement of a diseased patriarchal society that has not achieved a balance of authority between it’s feminine and masculine aspects, and therefore denigrates the female and forces some weaker men to act out wild caricatures of male behaviour in order to feel secure and powerful and to like themselves.

    Some of the best men i know are ‘Mama’s’ boys (God bless their lovable mums and dads). Great men are not angry and confused by, but proud of their feminine aspects. And their water-tight relationship with their harmless cuddly old mama.

    Son, you make the world ugly with your hang-ups about the private lives and bodies of others. And your hang-ups are the result of your own choices, they are not my fault. You’re a grown man now. Please stop blaming mothers for the choices of others, lest your own mother starts to regret giving birth to you. The world is a beautiful God-given thing, and a large percentage of us wish you would only pour your poison in Hell where it belongs. And when will you ever visit your poor old ma if you head in that direction?

    Please, son, wake up and smell the flowers before it’s too late.

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    By Bukko in Australia, November 25, 2006 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment
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    Remember, this is the same James Dobson who gave the following advice on how to prevent boys from becoming gay:

    “Meanwhile, the boy’s father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son’s maleness… He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.”

    (I swear I am not making this up. Excerpt from one of Dobson’s radio shows. Google it if you don’t believe me.)

    There you have it, manly men of the world! Get nekkid, take your lil shaver into the shower and waggle your ding-dong at him. That’ll make him straight! I’m sure all of us guys with wives, and maybe a few broads on the side, have fond memories of when our dads did just that.

    Only in my case, it was an uncle. In the basement. With the lights off. But six years of therapy later, I was fine. Ask anyone in my congregation. Except for little Timmy…

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    By Professor Smartass, November 25, 2006 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment
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    Dobson didn’t read those twins studies very closely—identical twins are more likely to both be gay if one one is than fraternal twins.

    Check the Wikipedia article on sexual orientation and biology.

    His “mama’s boy” hypothesis is hardly new—it dates back to Freud. 

    Yesterday’s boogey man is today’s ally.

    In fifty years, the religious right will be citing Darwin to oppose genetic engineering and the like.

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    By Bluestocking, November 25, 2006 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment
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    Dobson’s remarks about identical twin studies only serve to demonstrate that the man knows virtually *nothing* about science. By saying “if it were genetic, all twins would have it”, he’s implying that any trait which has a genetic component will inevitably and automatically show up in both twins 100% of the time—and conversely, that any trait which doesn’t inevitably and automatically show up in both twins 100% of the time can’t possibly be genetic. However, the fatal flaw in Dobson’s argument is that this is only true of traits such as color blindness which are exclusively linked to genetics—and since these are generally physical and not behavioral traits, the only way that these could be manipulated or changed in any way is through genetic therapy.

    Also, every responsible researcher knows that a simple statistical correlation between two factors which are not subject to direct manipulation by the researcher (i.e., homosexuality and being an identical twin) never—repeat, NEVER—indicates a direct causal relationship. At best, correlational studies only report the co-existing presence of both variables which may or may not be affected by each other. Secondly, a simple correlational study will almost NEVER result in a 100% positive correlation between the two variables. The best which can usually be achieved is that the results will show high statistical significance even with a very low margin of error—but even this still does not entirely rule out the possibility that the results are due purely to chance, nor the possibility that any causal effect is due to a third variable which has not been accounted for. Thirdly, most scientists agree that most traits result from a combination of nature and nurture and that genetic factors only make someone more susceptible to developing a trait —whether or not the trait manifests itself depends on events which occur in the environment. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that while some mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder have been shown to have some genetic component, it is also clear that they are not solely dependent on genetics because there have been many recorded examples in which one identical twin manifested the illness while the other did not. According to Dobson’s flawed understanding of genetics, this shouldn’t happen—and yet it does.

    Dobson’s remarks also demonstrate a flawed concept of psychology. While it’s true that gay men were once thought to have identified with and been excessively attached to their mothers in early childhood—an idea based largely on Freudian developmental theory, which most people view as antiquated and irrelevant these days anyway—the theory as expressed by Dobson doesn’t address the origin of female homosexuality and therefore falls apart.

    On another point, the fact that Dobson has chosen to dissociate himself from Haggard ever since the revelation of his sexual indiscretions—hasn’t even *talked* to him—is very telling, since it suggests that Dobson cares more for his own reputation than he does for the Christian ethics he purports to have. You can’t tell me that Dobson isn’t concerned about possibly being tainted by association, because I won’t believe it—but contrast this with Jesus, who reached out to those such as Gentiles and tax collectors with whom it was considered indecent for proper people to associate according to the values of his culture. If memory serves, isn’t there a passage in the New Testament to the effect that to turn your back on any among your fellow men is to turn your back on Jesus? No…Dobson’s choice is not that of the Christian but of the Pharisees who prided themselves on their diligent observance of the Jewish laws, who looked down upon and refused to associate with anyone who they felt was not as morally upright as they were.

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    By R. A. Earl, November 25, 2006 at 10:48 am Link to this comment
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    So what?

    What does it matter?

    What gives non-gay people the right to discriminate in any way against gay people?

    The PROBLEM does not lie with gay people. The PROBLEM exists ONLY in the “Dobsons” who choose to be so ignorant, arrogant and hypocritical as to believe they somehow have the RIGHT to harm gays, or ANYONE for that matter, because they happen to be different from them.

    Whether Dobson’s theory is correct or incorrect is irrelevant. Gay people are every bit as much a valid part of society as he is BECAUSE THEY EXIST and are no threat to society. Just because Dobson can’t understand/accept this fundamental fact doesn’t give him the right to even think of concocting theories to explain why others differ from him (Dobson being the example of how people SHOULD BE, of course.)

    If Dobson were speaking of black people or Jewish people this way, he wouldn’t get air time on any network but his own. Why is he allowed to spout this bullshit on King and be repeated on Truthdig?

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    By anonymous, November 25, 2006 at 8:33 am Link to this comment
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    Why isn’t being gay God’s fault?

    No genes, no rearing, just God sittin’ up there indiscriminately creating queers & telling preachers to go get ‘em.

    If Dobson wasn’t a mama’s boy, I’d be shocked.

    By the way, nice job Larry!  Never occured to you to ask about lesbians and their mothers and fathers?  Tom boys detached from their mothers too soon?

    The reason it can’t be God’s fault is that it would have to be accepted.

    Dobson might be right about something someday but, it will never be because he studied the facts.

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    By Bob, November 25, 2006 at 8:22 am Link to this comment
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    I despise Dobson, but for many reasons, his comments here are just uninteresting. I think that there are many reasons for homosexuality, and they begin with the fact that we are sexual creatures. Our behaviorial tendencies are programmed into us over millions of years of survival and adaptation through evolution. We’re going to engage in sexual activity, because that’s what we are. How that plays itself out with each individual could be influenced by many many factors. I hate to admit it, but I tend to agree with Dobson on this point: I don’t really buy the genetic argument for “gayness”; it doesn’t make any sense to me. Dobson’s speculation may very well be true for some individuals.

    Despite this, just because Dobson “says so” means nothing. He’s just like every fundamentalist, including Ted Haggard. He looks for explanations to fit his view of the world which are inerrant. The world is black and white, and everything is either right or wrong, moral or immoral, godly or satanic. He’s just boring and not intelligent enough to take the emotional risk of thinking rationally about issues that he feels the Bible has already settled. Snore.

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