Andrew: I am confused, to which Eastern Religion are you referring? Islam is a Western (Abrahamic) Religion.

Just wondering if you were aware or referring to Post Religious Europe as having seen the peaceful light of Buddhist/Taoist thought with its own set of confounding issues?

Deborah, unfortunately, you misinterpreted my illustrations.  There were no implications of what you might do if you didn’t listen to me.  I was suggesting actions that I might expect you to take in certain dangerous situations, since you seem to be a relatively intelligent person (I was correct wasn’t I?).  My main point in those illustrations is that our fears are often beneficial when they spur us to wise actions.  Sometimes a situation demands quick action, and others require that we consider carefully the circumstances, our abilities and resources, as well as any available reliable information.  Fear can be a great motivator, leading to wise action which can help us avoid a catastrophic outcome.

Concerning your website, I made no assumptions, nor did I take a leap.  I merely voiced an observation, expressed an opinion and exercised my right to choose for myself, as I’m sure you are apt to do, as well.  I’m sure you attract many like-minded people to your site; it’s very obvious that you are very proud of yourself.

War is always unfortunate and horrible, but concerning Hitler, things would very likely have been much less bloody had the world’s governments confronted him sooner rather than later.  The Cold War (and WWII, as well) are huge subjects, up for debate about “possible outcomes” and “if only’s”.  Much more than I would want to get into here—just don’t have the time. 

Aside from all this, I have expressed my opinion on Rush’s short contribution to the Free Speech segment on the CBS Evening News, and have now clarified my previous comments as best I can, which is about all I intend to do here.  And now I will move on to other things.

I would have posted sooner, but I had to work fairly long hours today.  As I write this, today is 9-11; let us always remember those who died 5 years ago today.  Will you join me in a salute to the United States?

God Bless America!

Debalazo -
Just wanted to let you know that your anti-sematism is showing! Your attack on the Jewish people sounds like it came from Germany in the 1930s.

Angel says #22723: You guys keep smoking your dope and keep hating the people that are willing to give their lives so you disgusting moggots can enjoy your liberty.>>

Who do “we” hate? (And who’s smoking pot? As for drugs, re Rush, you really don’t want to go there.) Catch your breath and stop painting everyone with a such a wide brush, please. That’s what hate does: divides us and blinds us. If there’s hate on my part, it’s the hating of seeing our armed forces wasted in an invasion (because that’s what Iraq is: an invasion—the operation was denied the status of war) that goes against everything they signed on to do: defend the Constitution. Above all, don’t lie to them. The least we can do is defend the Constitution here. 

And Bill Clinton ignored the threat? Tell me how, where. Show me. You know, most eveyone involved in ABC’s Path to 911 has backtracked on it. One thing: its attempt to distort history and fabricate reality is working against itself. So many people are aware of what’s being done with this false “Path” and speaking out against it that we’re pulling back the curtain, catching the Wizard at work. And really, this is the only way this thing is going to be fixed, this hijacking of our Democracy. People have to see and understand what’s been done.

Hannity, Rush, O’Reilly, Bauer: the truth of it is bad means, bad ends.

It’s sort of like V in the movie (V for Vendetta, a fiction that, like all good fiction, tells a deeper truth) taking the TV station, isn’t it… inspiring a heart-to-heart going on inside each of us that might reach (and must reach) even our Rush loving brother-in-law.

As for Terrorism:
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerr orism.htm

“Dear people of the world, it’s time to face a hard, cold fact: Right wing extremist wants to kill us, us non-whites, just because we’re alive and don’t have the same skin colour as they do, live culturally as they do, and generally do not believe whole heartedly as they do. They’ve been killing us for decades, as an example just look at the near extinction of the indigenous people of the Americas, these Right Wingers who’s thinking is no different from the time of Columbus, the Spanish, British and eventually the white Americans expanding westward and killing those standing in there way. Not stopping there, these Right Wing Extremist also supported the killing of thousands in the Philippines, Vietnam, South America and now Iraq. So it’s time to stop pretending that America is being attacked by foreign terrorist who just plan hate America, which gives reason for these Right Wing Extremist to hate and attack any non-whites anywhere in the world under the lame excuse that they are fighting “Terroism”! Lest face the reality that we, as non-white people of the world, our way of life is in grave danger by these non-white hating, Bush supporting, Right Wing Extremist - Chistofacists. Now, this threat is not just going to go away because we, non-whites, choose to ignore it. Some may say we should try diplomacy with these closet fascist. Yeah, well, tell me, how do we negotiate with people whose starting point is our death? Ask them to wait for 10 years before they kill us? When good ordinary peace loving non-white people negotiate with these evil Racist Right Wing Extremist, these Bush supporting monsters, they will always win, and tragedy befalls us non-white following Right Wing Extremist victory over us, not words issued by diplomats. Just look at the Palestinians as an example. Has negotiating with Israel brought them peace? Of course not, Israel is also a Right Wing Extremist country full of Zionist whose only goal is to rid the Palestinians of their land, land that these evil Zionist believe is theirs.”

“But some non-white Americans, sadly, are not interested in “rocking the boat, and yet they want all non-white Americans to believe that we should behave patriotically, to side with Bush and these Right Wing Extremist. Well, falling behind these extremist is not patriotic. When these Right Wing Extremist are more interested in supporting torture, like what is going on in Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay, and soon, if not already, in your local neighbourhood police station, than they are in defeating their tendency to want to kill us, when these Right Wing Extremist seek to support both a foreign and domestic surveillance program which is designed to identify those who speak against them and Bush, his minions and his supporters, who want to expose their evil way and what they intend to do to us, when these Right Wing Extremist want to take our U.S. constitutional rights away, or change the laws to that which supports their evil ways, I don’t call supporting these Right Wing Extremist patriotic. Patriotism is rallying behind the Constitution of the United States, protecting it and the freedoms it deems to guarantee each and every one of us. This also includes the freedoms is to speak out when wrong is being done in the name of the Amercian people, regardless of party affiliation, religious belief and colour of skin, to defeat Christofascism. Patriotism is recognising when those in power abuse that power, then it is time to speak out! Patriotism is to protect the rights of all people both within the USA as well as outside. Patriotism is supporting our troops in the effort to stop those wishing to destroy what America is supposed to be about, and when Right Wing Extrimist - Christofascist, are in power, then we must support our troups from being sent to other lands to kill and maim the indigenous people on a pack of lies.”

“But let there be no doubt about this: America can prevail only if and when everyone in America, both non-white and white begin to respect each other and turn their backs to the voices of these horrible Right Wing Extremist, like Mr. Rush Limbaugh.  This country may have survived a bloody civil war, helped to defeat the Nazis and influenced the downfall of the Soviet Union. But as long as we listen and follow the rule of these irresponsible Right Wing Extremist there will be no hope of true peace in our world, let alone in America.”

Re John Bonser

Thanks.  No, I am not overly sensitive on the fat issue (I am thin). I hear what Limbaugh says and the most charitable description I can give it is perverted filth emenating from a twisted sick mind, a man probably with an inferiority complex and sexual dysfunctions in need of psychological counselling.  He is, however, the product of his environment, a reflection of America (or a part of it) if you will, and that says something about America.  These types of clowns exist in other countries too.

Having said that, debating Rush to me is like wrestling with a pig.  The more you do it, the more you get covered in (for lack of a better word) shit and the more the pig enjoys it. 

The solution is to ensure he stays penned up in the pig sty with his shit, and not get covered in it.

Angel, please forgive me but you are an uncultured and ignorant idiot.  You view of patriotosm is “reductio ad absurdam” grist to the lowest common denominator for hate filled people. I, for sake of anonymity, am a white western christian.  I have lived over 20 years in Islamic countries.  I work in one now.  People are kind and considerate, given the current environment of hysteria in the USA.  I am not afraid to be mugged or meet a neighbourhood crack dealer or of drive by shootings, and my wife can walk the streets without fear.  With all due respect, you are spewing forth ignorant hate filled drivel.  The effectiveness of your diatribe is negated by its’ ignorance and obvious xenophobia. I suggest you read a few foreign newspapers and crawl out of your home state and travel abroad and see how people live.

i will not call Limbo a fat-ass, disrespectful of such a cheap moron. I will just call him big-fat-mouth, paid by repugs to propagandize the waves in their favor, regardless of how low the drug user (proven Pills Limbo) crawls.

To all the scared sissies out there (and disinfo agents for the israeli terrorists and the bushonian traitors), Islam, as Christianity, are dead targeted by the international zionist jewry, simply because both religious philosopies CONDEMN USURY, the jewry’s main source of income, power, slavery, and blackmail.

Just as islam is being bombed to its grave, christianity is being bombarded by the jewry in this country through their mess media, corrupted academics, and the monkey moron in the whorehaus… like, christmas and jesus being taboos these days.

How cheap and how low the sissies, and how devious and traitorous the disinfos. Only a newbie could swallow their pill.

Ok, i give up. To hell with mr. nice.... Limbo IS a fat ass coward, big mouth sold out to the repugs, and a drug user under watch by the authorities for substance abuse. Now, swallow this one you all.

“Actually, I’m disturbed at the repeated references of Rush being fat.  That is entirely irrelevant to the thrust of his half baked ideas.  It is also an insult to other fat people, who may have diametrically opposed views.  Please attack his loathsome ideas, not his physical features.  I know plenty of “fat” people whom follow diets without results.  They are kind loveable indeed magnanimous people.  I love them dearly.”

Andrew, you are quite right and I apologize to EVERY obese person--EXCEPT, of course, Rush Limbaugh.

I too have known many fat people and they are simply people--some good, some bad.

But Rush doesn’t deserve that same consideration.  After all, this was the man who said:

“Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?”

And he put up a picture of then-13 year old Chelsea Clinton.

He is just a mean man--and he deserves all the garbage that comes back at him.

You guys keep smoking your dope and keep hating the people that are willing to give their lives so you disgusting moggots can enjoy your liberty. You are living in a cocoon of delusional belief that we are safe if we don’t bother these islamic extremist. Well, I got news for you!! They are extremely patient and they are here among us! They will kill you just being Christian or not believing in their religion. Stop your hatred coments about the people that will die for you and come together for our next generation who are depending on us to make a safe and bright future for them! I will give my life for my children and yours! Would you do the same? The sons and daughters of this great nation are doing just that! Don’t ignore this threat like Bill Clinton and George Bush did. The future of this country is in our hands…

Bless you heart John.

Re George #22625:
Copperheads don’t climb stairs, not even in Democratic Party HQs. Whoever helped him there didn’t leave a note, so we couldn’t prosecute. But their point was taken. This isn’t the way it should be in politics in the USA, home of the brave, land of the free, etc. So, a sad commentary, is it not? Certainly it makes me sad.

As for the rest, fear, crossing the road blind, and all the other implications of what I might do if I don’t listen to you: I still say nothing beats an informed decision.  Let’s get informed. That was my message.

And the “liberal propaganda website”, as you put it? Well, it happens to be my own work. My own research. And a great deal of work it was, eyes open wide, seeking the best information as a private citizen who loves my country and all the world’s children (and future children) with all my heart. We were in touch with folks who were part of the UN inspection team, and realized a wealth of info available that I don’t know how the mass media managed to miss. So—you might do well to not make such assumptions, to “leap before you look” as it were, we might say. That can be dangerous, yes?

And the copperhead again—it’s a sort of loaded symbol, isn’t it, thinking back to what it meant in the Civil War. I’m sure you meant nothing along that line. But I have copperheads on my land here, and I leave them be. Like my local park ranger told me, they’re much more likely to kill critters I don’t want around than to kill me. And I think they were here first. Having dominion over the earth and all its creatures implies responsibility, if you look back to the origins of that idea.

I apologize for my youth, but going back to the 70’s, the Cold War, Iran and the Shah, Afghanistan and Brzezinski’s unfortunate policies re currying and arming the Muslim radicals: we now reap what we sowed. Can we not lean some lessons? My enemy’s enemy is my friend got us Saddam. It even got us Hitler, and that Cold War, come to think of it. So think about it. And think about all the wars we did manage to not have. War reflects failure, after all. Better to look back and study the ways we succeed.

Andrew - You may have a point about being critical of Limbaugh’s ideas. However, it would be best for someone who is overweight not to point fingers toward the problem unless he or she would at least acknowleged their own problem in that area.

Also you seem to be overly sensitive of such criticism - have you listened to the man be critical of others for silly reasons (wearing brown for example).

Actually, I’m disturbed at the repeated references of Rush being fat.  That is entirely irrelevant to the thrust of his half baked ideas.  It is also an insult to other fat people, who may have diametrically opposed views.  Please attack his loathsome ideas, not his physical features.  I know plenty of “fat” people whom follow diets without results.  They are kind loveable indeed magnanimous people.  I love them dearly.  And I am sure Rush could be a better person if he could escape his past demons and try to educate himself. But he needs help.  Rush, read a few books, take an evening college course, calm down, and try to help your dependent flock you are misleading.

“Actually, Rush is right. I don’t give a damn if the terrorists kill him! “

Too Funny!  Nobody has yet topped Al Franken’s description: Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot!

He’s entertainment, like Jerry Springer or reality TV. His one foray into Monday Night Football (Is it ANY surprise it was on Disney/ABC?????) was an embarrassment.  Not only was his racism blatant, his lack of football knowledge was equally blatant.  Howard Cosell, drunk as a skunk, knew more football!

Rush Limbaugh wouldn’t know a fact if he had to hang to it for dear life.  His own personal life is a disaster--repeated drug use, failed marriages. Yet, like Dr. Laura, he has the gall to tell Americans how we ought to live!

And Nazi-Ann Coulter--the witch clammering for TRUE Mussolini Fascism--every word the woman says or prints is a lie, and a DELIBERATE one at that.

Poor Rush.  I think he needs to take a break and start listening to people instead of opening up his pie hole too often. 

This drop out could start by taking a few evening courses at his local community college on Economics, Political Science, and History, to try to add a semblance of structure and coherency to his apoplexic rants.  Arguments which rely on emotionally pleasing barbs without a grounding in logic and an understanding of history and economic forces are merely the mental outpourings of the uneducated and intellectually vacant.

I feel sorry for poor Rush, he really does have an inferiority complex evident for all to see.  He is exiting middle age for the golden retirement years, and really hasn’t made anything of himself, nor is he helping the mentally challenged and uneducated people who constitute his audience.

He can fool his audience but he can’t fool himself.  Rush, you better try to educate yourself and give some meaning to your failed, empty life before you meet your maker.  A life, as Shakespeare would say, “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”.

Re: Comment #22571 by deborah conner on 9/09 at 12:30 pm

Deborah, unfortunately for you and your argument, my fear is a rational one, and not irrational as you imply by your meager attempt to talk down to me.  Actually, fear is a very good and important motivator of people, and rightly so--fear acted upon often preserves our lives.  The fear of losing one’s job may be the spur needed to do it well enough so as to prevent being discharged.  Do you fear stepping in front of an oncoming truck?  Of course you do!  If you said you do not, then you are an idiot, a liar or both!  A rational person will not step in front of a fast moving truck because they know the consequences will be deadly.  Understanding the danger creates a certain amount of well-founded fear, which prevents that person from risking their life.  It is important that we understand the dangers and the circumstances and use this rational fear, together with available information to make good choices or to act in order to prevent an undesireable outcome.  What happens if you are paralyzed by fear or close your eyes to the danger?  Let’s say you need to cross the freeway.  You close your eyes--now you can’t see the trucks and cars, but you can hear them. Are you now safer crossing the road without opening your eyes to the danger?

Let’s talk about snakes again.  Personally I think anyone who would intenionally put a poisonous snake in a place where it might bite someone should be tried for attempted murder (of course, I’m no lawyer, that’s just my personal opinion).  By the way, I noticed the insinuation in your snake story; did they capture and prosecute the person who put the snake there, or is it possible that the snake somehow managed to get there without human help (it’s been known to happen); if it did arrive unassisted, could it be that there was just a touch of paranoia present as well? (I don’t know--just a thought).  If it was a malicious act--prosecute the guy!  During the last election, a local Republican headquarters sufferred a break-in and a spray painted graffiti attack which could not have happened without human help, and more recently, a local islamic center and then a church were also the victims of graffiti.  I think people who break windows and paint graffiti on properties they don’t own should be prosecuted, don’t you?  Anyway, as for myself, I prefer to kill poisonous snakes BEFORE they can harm others.  Not everyone agrees with my lines of reasoning, though; you, for example, are someone who might disagree with me about many things--no hard feelings on my part about that--you have every right to do so!  Now, did someone in the Kerry headquarters kill the snake or was it taken out and set free so that it could possibly bite someone?  Apparently someone at the headquarters, at the very least, warned everyone present about the snake (if they did not kill it), right?  You see, that’s EXACTLY what I have attempted to do--to warn others of what I perceive to be a grave danger.  Deborah, please understand that if I saw a poisonous snake in an area, and I was unable to kill it, and then I saw you going in that direction, I would absolutely warn you about it.  Whether or not you continue in that direction would be up to you (freedom to make your own decision).  Hopefully you would evaluate the situation (a rational reaction to the fear of a snakebite) before you proceed.  I would think your rational fear of a snakebite would be weighed against your knowledge of the area and your own ability to protect yourself should the snake approach you, and using these and perhaps additional criteria, you would then make a decision.  Because you were warned, you would be aware of the danger and you would understand that if decide to proceed, you might well suffer a deadly snakebite should you incorrectly assess the situation, thereby making a poor choice.  Still, it would be your choice.

As for the links to the liberal propaganda site: Same old stuff, I’m sure.  Actually, I’m just not really fond of communist ideology (another enemy within, in my opinion--an opinion which I have the freedom to express).  Not to say this is a communist website, but I’m always suspicious of sites that communists love to link to.  BTW I’m not saying you are communist either, because I don’t know, (and I don’t care, as long as you don’t try to convert me, or try to subvert our nation) but I do know that communists do link to this site, either directly or indirectly, I will therefore simply excercise my right to make up my own mind, using other resources at my disposal, instead. Let’s just agree to disagree--I choose not to visit the site (by exercising my freedom of choice).  I can see by your manner of speech, that you want to appear enlightened and to have all the answers (even though you aren’t and you don’t).  I did not and I will not ask you to visit any of my favorite “proof” sites.  Nor will I ask you to tune in to Rush.  Notice that it is acceptable for you to suggest, but you may not make demands, so DON’T tell me to “Stop listening to Rush”, what I listen to is my choice, and my business, not yours.  Actually, I seldom hear him, however, as I said in my original post, I think he is right about this topic--and Anne Coulter is right, in my opinion, as well. BTW, we might not be at war, according to your thoughts, beliefs and / or definition, but most of us in this country are not in denial, but realize that the reality is that Congress has approved troops, money and equipment to fight in both Iraq and Iran; like it or not, that is reality.  Quibble over definitions if you like. . .

You mentioned the ‘70’s.  As I recall (I’m 53, and I do remember), the middle east was pretty much divided between the Soviets and the West, each having client states there (world wide “balance of power"), and arms were provided from both sides to their respective client states.  The Soviets (Russians) had a great deal to say in the area then, (remember the Cold War?) as they still do. In fact, Russia is continuing to build more influence.  Recently they have sold new radar and anti-missile systems to Syria, and right now they are preparing to build a new Russian Naval base in Syria.  They have sold arms and nuclear technology to Iran, just as, on the eve of the Iraq war, they sold the Iraqi’s night vision goggles, among other things (knowing we would probably attack at night).  The French and the Germans have also padded their own pocketbooks at our expense and in spite of us, helping Iran’s technological development (with “friends” like this. . .).  Knowing this, why are you so willing to assume that we alone are to blame for all these problems?  I also remember that in 1979 the impotent Jimmy Carter (whose inadequate rescue mission crashed in the desert) was unable to secure the release of the Iranian hostages until after Reagan came into office.  The Ayatollah Khomeini started speaking of the U.S. as the great Satan and the Wahabi brand of Islam began to spread from Iran, and that is the root of many of the problems we are experiencing today.  Apart from all this, whatever happened to “personal accoutability” wherein people and leaders of other countries take responsibility for their own actions?  Surely SOME the problems in the muslim coutries are of their own making!  Could it be that the leaders know this and point at the “Great Satan” as the guilty party to keep people from realizing their own guilt and failures?  Consider the amount of money coming into the Arab oil rich countries and the size of their populations.  How much has the standard of living improved for the average citizen in those oil rich countries?  NOT MUCH, I’d say!  Did you ever wonder why?

Deborah, I suspect that you fear Christian fundamentalists (perhaps you are an atheist or an agnostic?  Your choice, none of my business).  It’s really irrational and illogical, however, to equate fundamentalist Christians who want to convert others through a doctrine of love, faith, peace and service, with fundamentalist muslims who want to convert the world through terrorism, and whose faith includes a doctrine of war (jihad) and death to unbelievers. 

As I stated earlier,I realize that you were trying to talk down to me.  I refuse, however, to allow this.  I have often noticed that when people cannot find a logical argument, they often resort to ridicule in order to compensate--it’s too bad that your rebuttal was so lacking that you had to stoop to that!  Perhaps you were “afraid” you couldn’t find a good enough logical argument of your own.  Perhaps you might find some comfort or reassurance by following your own suggestions (I’m assuming they’ve worked for you in the past, since you suggested them): you might try turning on a light, and looking under your bed, you might as well check the closet too.  Now you can relax and go back to sleep--nothing to worry about, right? 

Let’s just agree to disagree.  I probably would not make a very good “convert” anyway.  Oh, by the way, I do like coffee-how’d you know? 

Coment #22442 by Chantz52

Another cluless confused “patriot”.

“Second, people who murder in the name of religion are just that, “murderers”.  Islamofascism is not patriotic; its cowardice.”

You have been falling for the “spin” of our current administration.

What about the spanish inquisition, what about the crusades.  Western, predominately Christian nations have used murder, rape, extortion and death for centuries to promote their religion.  So, what is the difference? 
Today, you can find people, lots of them that would openly say we should invade and spread Christianity to countries in the middle east.  What is that about? 

“Be patriotic and fight for your survival.”

What the hell does this mean?  Before Bush was in office, terrorism was noting to Americans. We could care less about the occasional bombs that hurt others in other parts of the world.  It has been going on around the world for years including US targets overseas. 
Sure 911 was horrible and will be a scar on the US for ever.  But, people in Iraq, including Sadam Hussein did not play a part, so what the hell are we in Iraq for? 
Bush and the current admin are using Terrorism to justify aggression. 

The only difference between Ilslamo-facists and Fundemental Christians is that they one worships the bible and the other the Quran, nothing more.

Both are out to increase their membership at any cost.  Neither has been the least bit shy about using violence in obtaining this goal.

Sad commentary on religion.

James(comment 22489)

You should re-up your subsription to the
to the Bush doctorine daily gazzett.  You obviously read it religously.

You are one of the morons who are falling for the constant “spin” by the bush admin. to keep his war going.  Hell, there are Americans who would gladly re-start the crusades to spreas Christianity, what do you call that?

Winning the War on terror is like winning the war on crime in America.  Ther is “no” end. You can make advances, slow it down, predict it and get smarter about how you approach it but if you really think there is an “end” to this type of war, you are delusional.

Terror is not a thing, a border, a person or a country, it is a buzzword designed to keep simple mided people like you scared 27-7!

And, if you could “hypothetically” win the war in Iraq, the “front on terrorism” it would jsut pop up somewhere else in the world. 

Terroists have been around since the dawn of man and will be around long after you and I are food for worms.

Hondo,
You would make a good “Islamo-facist”.  You blindly follow what your parents and your party taught you to believe.

For all you morons who keep saying we should forget our party affiliations and unite behind our country and our glorious leader and be patriots, shut the hell up!

Not supporting our administration and it’s corrupt leader is in no way a sign of lack of support for our troops or lack of patriotism.

Only true un-educated, mental midgets can link these things together.

As Americans it is our “Duty” and “RESPONSIBILITY” to not support bad domestic and forign policy in the name of patriotism!

If not supporting presidnet(s) rove, cheney, or bush is un-patriotic, then so be it.  We have more to fear from our current administration than we do anything else.  Yes, including the over used in our face “Terrorism” gimic.(it has worked on some so far, but getting old)

Remember WWII?  Remember how all the Germans so nicley became patriotic right up until they realized what their leader(s) were doing?  Some refused to believe it until the Allies marched there towns folk through some of the concentration camps to view the rotting corpses of men women and children, virtually none of which were wearing military clothing.

Being a patriot is losing it’s meaning under the current administration.  I am a firm believer that we should all love and support our country.  But, when it is off track and going the wrong direction(Germany, Rome.......) It is our clear duty to help change the direction or we will be one more great nation to eventually fall.

If we “blindly” wear the goggles of patriotism without understanding what it means to be a patriot, we are a doomed nation. 

Yes, for all of those of you out there that think the Good old USA is invincable, blessed by god and could never fall, get over your grandure of self importance.  History has proven that countries who have been around far longer than ours have parished.  We have been a great country for 200+ years. A drop in the historical bucket folks, just a drop!

Once again, proud to be an American, but lately, embarrased to be an American. 

PS: for any of you Hondo type fanatics who ponder my affiliation, I am not a democrat or republican.  I think, form opinions and find the truth by myself I do not spout “party” lines just be part of the group.

I am having a hard time understanding something.  Why it appears that a large segment of the American population is so bent on going to war, any war, anywhere.  Why are so many Americans so bent on spending more money that we can afford, and allowing our young men and women to die in far off lands for no good reason?

The enemy is religion, of any belief.  Fight that instead. With education.  The invasion of Afghanistan; I understand this, it was necessary and a majority of the world understood.  Iraq?  A lie from our government.  God told Bush to attack. 

It is way past time to spend the billions we have in Iraq and spend it on research and devolopment to break the mideast oil habit.  Marginalize that area of the world.  Continue to show the young people and women of that area what western civilization is really like, because many are tired of the islamic lifestyle. 

Instead, I see paranoia and fear mongering coming from people like limbaugh and the republican party.  What’s next?  Attack Russia, China?  Venezuela?  Iran? 

And just who says that because we happen to think that Democracy is pretty neat, that all those other countries want a democratic government? 

Anyone listening to people like limbaugh or believing the republican rhetoric is on a fools errand.

i hate us, too, and this cretin, this ignorance-for-hire miscreant is the reason why; because this liar is us. we suffer and therefor encourage him, it, this thing; the stentorian blather, the balance of confidence over ability, the fully paid opinion are all american in the worst walter winchell, father coughlin sense. budd shulberg had his number fifty years ago, but this liar is no face in the crowd. when the worst are burning with a passionate, prescription intensity, he is the crowd. hurry sundown.

Deborah - excellent post!

After reading your post I reread George’s - an interesting tought came to me his “politically correct” comment indicated that anyone who disagrees with him is “politivally correct” as as such a bad bad person.

I do wish that he would understand that liberals did not invent sin and in fact his beloved “conservatives” and “neo-cons” are also capable of evil.

Re comment #22522 by George Smith on 9/09 at 6:16 am…

George. Put down your coffee cup. You’re killing yourself, all this eating your heart. I understand fear motivates your reply. So let’s turn on the light, look under the bed. No bogeyman there. Stop listening to Rush. He’s all about fear and getting you to hate people like me. Don’t you ever wonder why? Who it benefits? 

Who is the lethal force in this equation? Americans killed… well, yes, there was 911. A failure of Intelligence. Bush was warned, and the Hart-Rudman Commission did try to tell him as well. And now we have those killed in Iraq, Iraq that had nothing to do with 911 and its terrorists. We did try to tell you that, back when: http://islandimage.net/oc/13myths/Factsheet.cfm?ID=5 .  Of course, Rush told you otherwise. And of those killed in Iraq, how many children, how many innocent civilians?  Have you tried to find out the numbers? Do you care? Remember, values are the things we’re willing to act upon.

As for having Islam shoved down our throats, we have the same psychotic fundamentalists on all side here, and far too many of them are in Congress. How is it different, a President who says he does the work of god?

It was Ann Coulter who said

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war.”

What war? Congress never authorized war. The War on Terror is a slogan. So someone kills a member of you family. This gives you the right to blow up their neighborhood, state, country? Responding like this is tribalism. It’s also letting the ‘terrorists’ make us like them. This isn’t the Wild West, you know, no matter how much time you spend out on the ranch. No, we make laws. We’re civilized, as just as we can be. That’s the part of Democracy worth spreading upon the earth.

But who put them in power, gave the arms, these radical Muslims? Look back at that part of the world in say the 1970’s, the advanced medical systems and universities that were there. Who, how did all that fall? Our own CIA had a big hand it. Isn’t that terrorism?

Shouldn’t we be talking about thse things—rather than distracted from them? Why all the classified documents? Things hidden from us, from We the People. That’s my White House, you know. My tax dollars footing the bills. By what right am I not allowed to ask about these things?

War hasn’t made us safer. The loss of 60 years worth of work towards building international law hasn’t made us safer. Rush hasn’t made us safer. Let him wail, but know who he is.

As for the copperhead, in our local Kerry headquarthers last presidentail election, some kind soul put one in the second floor bathroom. A little warning for us. Yes, we know about copperheads in Virginia.

DMConner
“Listen, Moirai (Fates) ... hear our prayers ... send us rose-bloomed Eunomia (Good Order in civic government) and her bright-throned sisters Dike (Justice) and garland-wearing Eirana (Peace), and make this city forget its heavy-hearted misfortunes.” - Greek Lyric V Anonymous Fragments 1018 (from Stobaeus, Anthology)

Actually, Rush is right. I don’t give a damn if the terrorists kill him!

The funny thing about Rush is that he discredits everything he supports by saying silly, un-American things in support of them. I think that Islam is out to destroy us and our way of life but I don’t think that Bush, Rush, Cheney and the other draft dodgers in this administration are doing anything to protect us. It is impossible to make a case for a war on terror when the only people speaking in favor of it are liars, dupes and draft dodgers and our troops are being sacrificed on the altar of stupidity in Iraqi. We in the Westreally need to have a conversation about Islam and its threat to our values and our way of life but we can’t have that conversation while liars and frauds are using Iraqi and terrorism to distract us from the looting expidetion that they’re carring out on our country and our Constitution. The last thing that I want to say is that as a veteran, I am sick to death of hearing ashole draft dodgers like Rush talk about supporting the troops when he means supporting the war. In Viet Nam the people who supported the troops were the ones who wanted to bring them home alive not the ones who supported the war. Rush, Bush and their supports don’t give a rat’s ass about the troops. If they cared about them they would have done their part in Viet Nam.

“We must win this war against the (Jews).  Should we lose it, then the harmless appearing (Jewish) good-fellows would exact on our people, women and children, a revenge for which history gives no precedence.

“The (Jews) are our destruction.
“Every (Jew) is a sworn enemy of the German people.
“Every German’s death in this war is the (Jews) responsibility.”

Goebbels talking to the German people.  Substitute Rush and his ilk for Goebbels.  Substitute Muslims for Jews.

It’s called terror-speak.  The German people fell for it.  Will today’s America fall for it?

The segment IS called “FREE SPEECH”, NOT “Controlled Speech”, or “Politically Correct Speech”, or “Speech We Like” or “Speech We Think You Will Like”, or “Free Speech We can agree with”, or “Free Speech For Liberals Only”, etc.  Understand? Can you say “Freedom for all”?

Rush is absolutely right about this.  IslamoFascists want an islamic world, free from all “infidels”.  Are you a muslim?  If not, YOU are defined by the aforementioned group, as an infidel.  How are the infidels to be dealt with?  Infidels (YOU, dear non-muslim friend) are to be converted to Islam.  You will NOT be handed a Koran pamphlet and then be told that Mohammed loves you!  If an infidel (you) should refuse to be converted when given the opportunity, he or she (you) will be killed. 

Should you decide to renounce your current religion, or atheism, you will be expected to live according to islamic law.  Just imagine how fashionable all the ladies will look in their black burkahs!  And don’t forget the benefits of fundamentalist Islam, like simplified divorce: simply say to your wife “I divorce you” three times, and she is no longer your wife!  Sorry ladies, but I don’t think this will work the same way for you--but hey, you can’t expect to be equal to a man under islamic law, right?  Ah! The joys of islamic law! Where women are property and men are glad of it!  You might even get to participate in stoning someone to death!  If you catch that pesky neighbor of yours stealing from you, he just might get both hands cut off-that will teach him a lesson, identify him as a thief, and reduce the crime rate, all at the same time!  In a fundamentalist islamic totalitarian theocracy you will have the freedom to never speak against your religious leaders.  You will have the freedom to be a muslim!  Of course you can belong to any religion you desire, as long as it is Islam! There will be no anti-islamic speech, no decadent movies, none of that “Western civilization” stuff, no porn, no adulterers (you might get to stone some to death though), no gay people (you might get to stone some of them to death too). LOOK MA!  NO LIBERALS!  (You remember liberals--some of them made decadent Hollywood movies, lots of them sided with America’s enemies, and huge numbers of them defended gay and women’s rights, among other anti-islamic things! The liberals were hated by Islamo-Fascists even more than the conservatives--even while the liberals were trying to “understand” and “reach out to” the Islamo-Fascists.) Speaking of politics, as an upstanding model islamic citizen, the religious leaders will do your thinking for you and YOU WILL BE a zealous islamic CONSERVATIVE--OR ELSE!

Might I point out to Paul G that the Islamo-Fascists don’t have to kill everyone if they can manage to kill enough to terrorize and threaten the majority of the rest into converting, they will accomplish their goal (remember, we are viewed as cowards by them anyway, and they expect us to capitulate if we suffer enough pain--and the constant screaming within our own land to “stop the war” is not helping in this regard).  How many Americans can be killed with a nuke?  Would you not agree, Mr G that enough nukes could certainly “destroy the entire US, from sea to freakin shining sea”? (Your words Mr. G).  You said “that there is a POINT to what they’re doing. It’s NOT extermination.” Extermination may not be their point, but it certainly appears to be one of two options they are offering: 1 Assimilation (convert, become one of us) or 2 Extermination (die).  Remember, Iran is on the verge of getting nukes. What REALLY is moronic is to think that these Islamo-Fascists cannot destroy Western Culture as we know it, and our country along with it! Mr. G, I agree with you that most Americans DON’T CARE to know muslims or their culture. I don’t know a lot about their culture, but I DO know this much: I prefer western culture and our country to their muslim culture!  Some of us still believe America is worth fighting for!  Often, it is better to destroy a threat while you are able and when it is exposed, rather than later on when you might be less able to do so.  For example, if I see what I KNOW is a Copperhead (poisonous snake), and I have any possible weapon, I will KILL it BEFORE it bites my children or me.  I won’t think about its “nature as a snake” or wonder if it might just leave us alone if we leave it alone.  It is deadly; it is a menace as long as it is there, and if it allowed to escape it may return later, unseen and unexpectedly, killing a loved one, so I will kill it NOW, without hesitation, while I know I can (I have actually done this before, so I am not speaking hypothetically about the snake).  I don’t want my grandkids raised in a muslim society or a nuclear wasteland.  But then, there’s nothing to be concerned about, is there Mr G?

Rush Limbaugh lecturing Americans how to be “good Germans” and disregard domestic and international law should have been nixed by any editor worth the title.

I guess Fred Korematsu should have taken his internment happily and as a national duty. I guess this is entertainment, for some.

Having Rush on CBS after they double crossed Dan Rather pretty much sums up what has been going on in the media.  It’s government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. 

The USA with it’s secret prisons, the abolishment of the bill of rights thru the Patriot Act, and domestic spying.  Bush and his neo-fascist have turned the US into a Right Wing Fascist Police State.

You wacky liberals really amuse me. When the New York Times decides to release classified national security information to the world, thereby endangering American lives, you say that’s protected freedom of the press. When Jimmy Carter commits treason by giving aid and comfort to our Islamofacist enemies, you say that this is protected freedom of speech. When William Kristol or Ann Coulter are phsically assaulted by left wing lunatics, you say that this is political protest protected by the 1st Amendment. But when El Rushbo questions the patriotism of liberals, you want him censored. When ABC plans to air a miniseries that offers factual criticism of Bill Clinton, you throw the 1st Amendment out the window and threaten ABC’s broadcast license. Is there any limit to the hypocracy of a liberal?

Shame on his critics for this segment. Rush has many opinions to argue against, but his declaration that Americans should unite and win this war on terror is NOT one of them.

I feel ashamed for many liberals, who are so infatuated with their hatred for conservatives that they would rather side with murderous villains such as the 9/11 terrorists and the Iraq insurgents than support their own nation.

When Rush Limbaugh and Nazi-Ann Coulter actually go out and lay their bodies and lives on the line as they demand others do, I’ll listen to them.

When Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby and Mad King George go out and lay their bodies and lives on the line as they send others to do, I’ll listen to them.

I’ll listen to John Kerry or John McCain when it comes to war, but drum-bangers who didn’t serve, but are eager for the OTHER guy to fight for them, they can go to hell.

Comment # 22424 “Nothing but hate fear and name-calling, just like the present administration”.
I’ve looked at the views of the left in these replys. Are you referring to “hate fear and name-calling” like:"big fat idiot”, “screwball”, “fascist”, “moronic”, “nazi”, “jerk”, “idiot”?

Interesting point of view.

First Couric, now this thing limpbaugh? Looks pretty desperate to me. Am I the only one who remembers Couric interview with Michael Moore? She was totally anal. Bye, Bye CBS.

Second thought, they must be catering to the no intellect audience lead by Rush the drug head.

I love to watch all these people who don’t like Rush Limbaugh seething with impotent frustration at his being given a spot on the usually mindless drivel that is CBS news. It brings a chuckle to my throat to see these useless tantrums. Eat it up, beotches. As usual, Rush was spot-on and brilliant. For at least one night, the network news was not solely the domain of people over 55, though, the next night it once again returns to fogey time.

So terrorist attacks are not mere episodic events but American abuses of power and violations of human rights are?
Rush says, “When good negotiates with evil, evil will always win”. Commentator who agrees with Rush suggests that Gorbachev lost to Reagan because they talked. So which empire was evil?
Killing in the name of Islam is murder but killing for Christ or Nationalism isn’t?
Come on people, consistency isn’t that difficult to achieve. Whole lotta flip floppin’ goin’ on.

Maybe you meant “crap-trap”?
Dear God.

What? Ann Coulter was unavailable?

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot!

Well I love it. Its FREE SPEECH for everyone, except those who have a differant opinion. As soon as I saw the term CLAPTRAP I could tell right away, you were looking for the truth. The way you see it anyway. OH WELL! Thats what this all comes down to, its free speech if you agree to it!

I find it interesting that at one time in our country’s history, there were those who lived among us but fought against our ancestors for the right to sovereignty. People living in America who sided with the British against the supporters of colonial independence.  You know the history, the colonials felt they were not being properly represented and most negotiation avenues available to the colonials had been exhausted.  Finally, they had enough and fought for what they knew was right, even against the loyal Tories.

Today, we have members of our society that still hold on to the faint hope that we can get along with those who want to murder us because we believe differently.  That is sad on both accounts.  First, sad in that all we have is a faint hope that seems to get fainter by each murdered innocent.  Second, people who murder in the name of religion are just that, “murderers”.  Islamofascism is not patriotic; its cowardice.  “Murderers” of innocent children, women and seniors citizens of all nationalities in the name of a distorted belief.  If you are such a weak personality that you would murder to get your point across, then you are a pathetic personality.  Believe yes, but do not murder. Believe in good, not evil deeds.  If you belong to a religious organization that believes and espouses murder in the name of your belief, then you are also a coward. “Murder” is not right or justified under any religion and you should be strong enough to say enough.

Rush Limbaugh is right on this issue.  If you are not going to stand up for what is right and good, then you are no different than the Tories of old.  Be patriotic and fight for your survival. If you can’t do that, then fight for the survival of your children and grandchildren.  There are those who want to murder you and yours if you do not believe in their religion.  And that is wrong!

Rush is right on and was correct in calling those who don’t support the war “unpatriotic”.
Do you think Gorbachev laments ever talking to Reagan because it led to his downfall?
Of course not.
Wake up Libs, start supporting your country nand not those who seek our defeat.

CBS News has lowered itself to the level of FOX Cable News.  They no longer are even bothering to pretend to provide unbiased news.

I was surprised to see Mr. Limbaugh on the CBS news. I was under the impression he was in jail as a result of his second drug smuggling arrest at a Florida airport. My wife and I were eating dinner with our children at the time he came on the air. My teenage son asked “does the country really care what a drug addict has to say, yet alone about right and wrong and patriotism!” My wife and I could not answer except to say that T.V. is just entertainment and that the accurate news is found in print or through your own research. It is disappointing that America now looks to people like Snoop Dog or Rush Limbaugh as authorities or for advise.

I wonder if this screwball has ever visited a foreign country, learned a foreign language, read a foreign newspaper or could tell us about the battle of Austerlitz, Poltava or Manzikert and their significance.

Anyone limited to earning a living by opening his pie hole to spew mindless hateful drivel masquerading as political analysis to the mentally challenged white american lumpenproletariat to me is a fascist since he is using Goebbles methods as a rabble rouser.

He professes patriotism but somehow doesn’t seem too concerned about the misery on his own doorstep, such as the Katrina homeless.

I’ll bet you a dollar to a dog turd this drug popping cigar chomping resident political philosopher is incapable of providing a coherent explanation of how he has managed to link a European Political Ideology driven by corporate interests to an Eastern Religion. 

Rush, like porn, has no redeeming social value.

Rush is up to his same old message: Nothing but hate fear and name-calling, just like the present administration.

Left wing, meaning socialist and progressive opinion, are not given 1% of air time in the mass media.

The only truly left of center show is Democracy Now.  Any candidate (like Tasini) who is competent but left of center is given next to no voice in the media whereas right wingers like Hillary Clinton are fawned over.

Time for revolution? I would think so.

We will never prevail over things upon which we only think partially.

Bravo Rush!
This War should not be on Terror, but on Islamofascism.
Terror is a tactic.
Surely the country can see the real enemy is not George Bush, but those who seek to end our way of life.

Well, sure there are always a number of people who want to kill you and I for being Americans, for being white, black, asian, muslim, jewish, christian, democratic, autocratic, sane, insane - the list goes on endlessly.

But what Rush and the Bushites get wrong, is that terrorist organizations want to destroy the entire US, from sea to freakin shining sea. They know they couldn’t possibly accomplish that, just like we can’t possibly accomplish the objectives in Iraq and Afghanistan, that’s why the “objectives” are always seemingly changing with each passing day and major events and captures and bombings and more.

If they wanted to kill every one of us, they wouldn’t care if they bombed a farmhouse in Kentucky or a vineyard estate in California or your grandma’s house in Albuquerque, or the golden gate bridge. But they attack SPECIFIC targets. Why do you think that is?

My point is that there is a POINT to what they’re doing. It’s NOT extermination.

We’ve all got our faults, humans are prone to having them, but what I despise is when these right wingers and any radical or fanatic individual proclaims that “people want you dead, and we gotta kill them first.” That we’re supposed to fear people you don’t know, even though the broad majority of the public doesn’t even CARE to know about muslims or their culture. That the government still thinks its ok to have a shortage of fluent arabic speakers, as long as we’ve got rifles pointed at those people overseas.

It’s moronic, and shows the highest levels of ignorance to believe what the government and its backers say before learning things for yourself. As much as I love this country, and stand for its ideals, lots of my fellow countrymen are very stupid in accepting what Bush tells them and practice blind faith in their voting decisions.

It time to face two hard cold facts yourself Rush:

1.  you have know idea what you’re talking about
and
2.  you are a Nazi

We (the People) will not give up and are not going away.

What a gigantic jerk that man is!

I guess free speech includes the right to show the entire world just what an idiot you are, Rush.

So terrorism comes down to numbers, does it? If you kill thousands of people for a twisted cause, it’s terrorism. If you torture and kill hundreds of suspects with no charges and no evidence, and thousands and thousands of civilians just because they happen to be in the way, that’s being a good guy.

Sorry. I simply don’t get your “logic”.

Good Job Katie.  Way to lose credibility right out of the gate.  Why would anyone let this guy have “free speech” time on the nation news hour?

http://dirtycoast.com

Amazing! CBS - My how the mighty have fallen!
It seems their viewer ratings are dropping. Is this pandering, desperation, or just plain stupidity!?

Right on, Rush!  Now that makes sense!!!!  The most sense I have read on this website since I found it 2 weeks ago.  Couldn’t have said it better myself!  Who could disagree with anything he said, other than liberals, who, of course, we all know are standing on their heads telling the world it is upside down. 

Paul White
In the Right

If Limbaugh represents the views of the American people, I am ashamed and embarassed to be called American.  This “redneck” is dangerous with his extreme views that only illicit more anger and further distance American people from participating in their government. CBS News and Katie Couric should be ashamed to have given him air-time. Unless the tape was only aired to Bush supporters and other war mongers, it will surely do nothing to improve CBS ratings. I am re-newing my passport!