I said that the gov funds BASIC research.....most of it, in fact.

Don´t know what you did or did not do but I found a lot of info on the blue girl site....because she was writing about the Missouri admendment for this election and answering questions in general.

Go to the Science Daily site and the Wikipedia and you will find lots of information.

I will not get into a scientific discussion....I am not a scientist and try not to expound too much on topics I have little knowledge of.

I do not have the same problem you do with considering the human embryo sacred and untouchable. It is ceratinly one of the more plentiful products in existence, and if you are strictly against it´s manipulation then all the fertility clinics and an awful lot of medical treatment will go by the wayside. Also, to me, the concern of an embryo over the life of the woman carrying it is a stupidity that has no justification in intelligent discourse.

My take on the question of why this research should go on is that it holds not only promise of cures for some very nasty illnesses, but that it will add to general knowledge. The general knowledge is the reason for our taxes to pay for research.....general knowledge is important to us all, not just the people who have specific illnesses, though their need is certainly more immediate. So I think both types of stem cell research should be funded and go forward....and they will....if not here, then somewhere else.

Mariam--I wasn’t able to find anything at the blue girl link. Just a blog that looks like it has been inactive since 2005.
As to your point about the funding, I don’t think that 95% figure is accurate. The Mayo Clinic is one of the bigger medical research outfits in the country, and they receive a full 48% of their funding from non-government sources. We live in a capitalist society. If there was any possibility that ESCR was going to be successful, there would be venture capitalists lining up to invest. They aren’t. That tells me that the “smart money” (to borrow a phrase from the gambling business) has no faith in ESCR.
I believe that stem cell research is vitally important work. It is crucial that the research continues to progress. If private corporations want to fund ESCR, there are currently no laws against that, and there are currently no political candidates who want to outlaw it. It just doesn’t make sense to pour tax money into research that hasn’t shown any promise when there is an alternate branch of research that shows lots of promise.
Mariam, you seem like a reasonable person. Can you give one logical reason why tax money should be used to fund a branch of research that has had zero success, and which destroys embryos in the process, when there are two other branches of research that have been successful and that don’t destroy embryos?

Shaverbgod---Did you do a lot of psychedelics in the 60’s? Does a tin-foil hat get hot in the summertime? Do you hear voices telling you to howl at the moon? Just curious.

For the first time, stem cell researchers at the University ofMinnesota have coaxed human embryonic stem cells to createcancer-killing cells in the laboratory, paving the way for futuretreatments for various types of cancers (or tumors). The research willbe published in the Oct. 15 issue of the Journal of Immunology.

Undifferentiated human embryonic stem cells can be used to make blood cells like natural killer cells or red blood cells (pictured).
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Hondo, this comes from Science Daily site

Hondo, go to
bluegirlinaredstate.blogspot.com/2006/10/missouri-vote-amen dment-2.html

Read The Missouri Vote-Amendment 2

bluegirl is a scientist and also has a question and answer section.

Hondo, you’re pathetic.

I’m sorry for you and your son, no one should ever have to go through that.  This only illustrates that you research only what you want to research and cherry pick the results.  As for my medications, I am on 17 different meds per day just to stay alive.  I’ve had my heart problem since birth and there is no fix so go fvck yourself.  Try reading the earlier comments and educate yourself on the background of the person you are speaking to before you make ignorant flippant comments.  You conservatives are all alike.  You say “no” until you need it and then you change your mind.  There is no law that says you can’t be a hypocrit, but you’re still an a$$hole if you roll that way. 
You come out and parade you son’s problem on your sleve like it’s a free fvcking backstage pass when you don’t understand what you are talking about.  If I had to guess your son had either Ventricular Tachycardia arrhythmia, of atrial fibrillations (the first is deadly I know cause I’VE been there, the second is scary and uncertain as there can be many causes).  The only reason you don’t support stem cell research is that you have rubber stamper and blindly endorsed this idea of god and the made up ficticious rules"he" was supposed to have given some dude who lived for over 400 years.  Complete and utter horse $hit!  Your god is you business.  Your right to support your belief is your business.  You cross the line when you legislate your beliefs over a nation whose founding doctrine evokes freedom for all.

Take that embryo outside the mother and see how long it lasts.  Life does not truly begin until that life can be sustained outside the Uterus.  Period.  I see late term abortions as wrong, but I don’t attempt to enforce that view BECAUSE I CAN’T LEGISLATE OVER ANOTHER’S BODY AND THEIR INHERANT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. 

Human life does not begin at conception.  If it did every fertility clinic and sperm bank would be sued through the floor for throwing away the extra “material” they produce to HELP people who have trouble conceiving.  They artificially create a embryo that can or cannot be grown into a human life.  The fertilized cells do not take precedence over the already living’s right to life.  A cell does not make a human.  Billions and billions of them organized just so, DO.  If embryonic stem cells that would be flushed down the drain can help me or you or, more importantly, your son, then god damn it (ironic huh) use the fvckers to help people and take your religious beliefs back to the middle ages.  Your inflated sense of morality (preached to you from someone else) has no place in the law of the land. 

To appease you I would to look at it from the other side of the room and state that there needs to be a clear definition of the beginning of life.  The embyo on all the posters is one that is about 3 months old (give or take).  Through exhaustive and damaging means that could become a human that might actually have a semblance of a normal life.  I would bow to the fact that once the life form can survive on its own, then it is alive, at least in the case of humans.  When that is defined then maybe both sides could come together and agree on a mutual (without the extremists) understanding of the beginning of life.

Anything else would constitute a violation of the living’s right to life. 

Just think about it for awhile rather than spouting more rhetoric.  Try thinking for yourself.

SHAVERBGOD

Hondo, I am so glad they were able to fix your son´s heart. My first child had a big problem that was fixed so I know about how you felt. I do not consider our instincts to care for our loved ones a drawback, and do not consider this research wrong. In fact, I will say that to neglect this research is to give up some of the possibilities that are ours naturally, I do not say by divine plan because that is not my belief, but if we neglect what is possible because of a belief, i.e., accepting something without proof, then more fool us.

As I said before, and as all the info I can find so far says, the research has not been funded long enough for the scientists to know how far it will go. $90,000,000 buys 1 plane or two tanks,so for my money the research is cheap at twice the price! Or ten times.

95% or more of basic research is funded by us the taxpayer.....private corps do not get into the act till there is something specific to privitize to make huge profits, not for the taxpayer who funded the research but for the corp who then makes a big noise about how expensive trials and the acceptance process is for FDA approval and sometimes cheats on even that. Even at that, I would rather have my tax money spent on research that for planes and tanks.

Mariam, with all due respect, that’s not what it says. The site that I copied/pasted on Comment #35105 says that embryonic stem cell research has one clear advantage over adult stem cell research, and that is that they are able to become any type of cell in the body (pluripotency). The site says that adult stem cell research has one clear advantage over embryonic stem cell research in that ASC don’t present the possibility of rejection by the immune system. That’s what it says. At that point, I look to the fact that there hasn’t been one single solitary medical breakthrough ever achieved through ESCR. I then look to the fact that this zero success rate has been achieved at a cost of $90 million to the taxpayers. Finally, I look to the fact that not one single private corporation has been willing to spend any money on ESCR, which tells me that the scientists that haven’t been corrupted by the government gravy train don’t see any possibility of success in ESCR. To me, this is a no-brainer, but then, I’m just a wooden-headed conservative.
As to the Nancy Reagan reference, please allow me to giive you a little personal truth. I have a wife and three beautiful children. If any of them ever got seriously ill, I would move heaven and earth to seek a cure. When my youngest was born (he’s 15 months old now), he had heart problems for the first month of his life. For some unexplained reason, his heart would just take off and he would have a HR of 200. His poor little heart was just fluttering! I won’t go into the details of what the hospital visits were like, or what it took to normalize his heart rate, but I will say this. If the doctor had told me that all I had to do to cure my son was to take a gun and shoot the kid in the next room, I wouldn’t have thought twice. That’s because I am a sinful human being, just like every other human being in the world, who is capable of wondrous good or tremendous evil. Mrs. Reagan lost the great love of her life, and she is looking at any possibility in the world to prevent that kind of pain from happening to anyone else. She is looking to embryonic stem cell research. Would I do the same as her in a similar situation? Oh yeah! Does that make ESCR right? No. That’s why we have laws--to attempt to keep sinful human beings from acting upon their baser impulses. Embryos are human life, they are sacred, and they must be protected. That basic principle is written into the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bible.
To Shaverbgod----Please check in with Nurse Ratched; it’s medication time!

Sorry I had not answered, Hondo.
I will not get in a scientific discussion because I am not a scientist. I do think you misunderstood what you were reading because it actually says they do not know but they think the best chance for real help in the areas they want to do so much in is with embryonic stem cells.

As to your problem with using embryonic stem cells, I suggest you might be like Mrs Reagan, and accept the ridiculous premise that life as we practice it begins when the sperm and egg meet.....that is until you or yours needs the help promised by this research.

By the way, if that ridiculous premise mentioned above were true, then every woman past menarch is a murderer. We shed fertilized eggs like we shed skin.

Hondo, you ignorant $lut!

It is GLARINGLY obvious that you nor none of your family that you care about is sick.  Otherwise you would change your mind in a heartbeat.  Adult stem cells will not replace Embryonic as it is like trying to use old skin to make a new child.  It doesn’t work that way.  The most promising research has been in the ESC arena as they have the ability to “clone” themselves to the recipient.  While all of this is still theoretical (due to the lies of a scientific team on the other side of the world) the “elasticity” you so calmly refer to is exactly what science has been trying to do for 2000 years (extend the life of a cell grouping and thus extending the life of the tissue and body).  We can’t stop aging.  That is the main fuctionality problem with the ASC’s.  They will replicate properly and sometimes chain, but they always have failed.  That would mean the recipient would die due to organ failure.

Shaverbgod

Wouldn’t you just love to find out how many hypocitical Repugs own stocks in the companies that do stem cell research?  HA!!

I sure would!!

Thank you Mariam. I looked up the site and it was very informative. Here is what it said:

Human embryonic and adult stem cells each have advantages and disadvantages regarding potential use for cell-based regenerative therapies. Of course, adult and embryonic stem cells differ in the number and type of differentiated cells types they can become. Embryonic stem cells can become all cell types of the body because they are pluripotent. Adult stem cells are generally limited to differentiating into different cell types of their tissue of origin. However, some evidence suggests that adult stem cell plasticity may exist, increasing the number of cell types a given adult stem cell can become.

Large numbers of embryonic stem cells can be relatively easily grown in culture, while adult stem cells are rare in mature tissues and methods for expanding their numbers in cell culture have not yet been worked out. This is an important distinction, as large numbers of cells are needed for stem cell replacement therapies.

A potential advantage of using stem cells from an adult is that the patient’s own cells could be expanded in culture and then reintroduced into the patient. The use of the patient’s own adult stem cells would mean that the cells would not be rejected by the immune system. This represents a significant advantage as immune rejection is a difficult problem that can only be circumvented with immunosuppressive drugs.

Embryonic stem cells from a donor introduced into a patient could cause transplant rejection. However, whether the recipient would reject donor embryonic stem cells has not been determined in human experiments.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics5.asp was the source for that.

If I’m reading that correctly, it seems that ESCR has the advantage of pluripotency, which means that ESC can become any cell in the body. ASC are at a disadvantage in that regard.
On the other hand, there is a much greater chance of rejection by the immune system with ESC, and no chance of rejection with ASC. The ESC have the added disadvantage (in my opinion) of making it necessary to destroy human life to use them. When I weigh all of those advantages and disadvantages, and then factor in the promise held by umbilical cord blood research, I truly don’t see any reason to continue with ESCR. We can cure diseases without destroying human life.

The National Institute of Health........I just looked up STEM CELL RESEARCH.

Again, embroyonic stem cell research has only been funded since 1998. It is still in a basic stage.

Look it up. Also there is a scientist speaking on the site about MJF answering Limbaugh.

Mariam--In your comment (#34387) you say that embryonic stem cell research holds so much more promise than adult stem cell research. What is your source for that statement? The reason that I am asking is that I have never heard anyone say that before. It surprises me that a particular branch of scientific research that has never yielded a single success or breakthrough would be considered to have more promise that a branch of research that had yielded 72 breakthroughs.

I encourage folks from both sides to read “ THE RISE AND FALL of the THIRD REICH “ by William Shirer, I think if you read this with an open mind you will find the similarities and paralells, shocking. It almost appears this is a how to book for the right, you can see some characters are so similar, and the creation of faked reasons to justify their actions really sad, the Bush administration and the Nazi’s sure do seem alike in many ways, the acquisition of unchecked power to protect the homeland/ fatherland , etc..., read it and you will be enlightened.

Well, the big-mouthed Rush’s comments may just work against him.

I, for one, will be paying much more attention to stem cell research from now on.

This really “pushed my buttons,” being that my very, dear and wonderful father died as a result of Parkinson’s Disease.  He was diagnosed 8 years before his passing, living until 84 years old.  My wish for the dignified Michael J. Fox is that he will not suffer much and hopefully will be able to live as comfortable a life as possible.

How could anyone be so cruel as Rush Limbaugh?  I have never liked the man.

Gosh, when Muhammed Ali was tremoring during the Olympic Games, I started crying.  I realized he must have had this horrible disease.  Granted, I found out later he got it as a result from an injury.  Nevertheless, he and his family are suffering as a result of it.

Rush Limbaugh doesn’t really care about people’s feelings.  Like someone else said on this site, he purposely states things like this to encourage people to listen to him and to fight back. 

We could do the unfortunate patients of Parkinson’s Disease a favor and not focus on him, but to find a cure for this horrific disease.  It just gets worse.

I really like the way Michael handled it on a TV interview.  He said something to the effect that if it takes getting beat up on in order for things to get done, he will gladly be that guy.  What class!  What dignity!  That’s the way to handle a buffoon, don’t you think?

Have a wonderful day, and let us all thank God for another day!

Hondo...90,000,000 buys 1 jet fighter if I am not mistaken.....better to spend it and more on this research as it does hold much more promise that adult stem cell research, than to have a plane that only exists to kill people.

As to Limbaugh, I think he is a sociopathic personality like so many who have come out of the woodwork with this administration. I´m just glad he has chosen to be a verbal asshole than actually go into politics or become a mass murderer. So, my advice to everyone is ignore the noisome noise and smell from that quarter.

Hondo:  Get real! That Viagra Dildo u r defending is so far at the deep end that even if he says the sky is blue, ppl without the BLINDERS (wink! wink!)have a duty to question his motives first, and ask questions later!

This is all an issue because of the religious side believing that by doing research on these embryotic cells is murder.  It is a moral issue to them.  The same religious people that allowed a Christian President to approve of torture and still support that “Christian” president.  The same people that elected a president that went to war on a country that had no WMD, no ties to terrorism, that lied to use about secret flights, that spy on Americans and have taken a Record Surplus and turned it into a Record Deficit.  The same people that typically support that republican party of family and Christian values which happen to allow child predators to remain in office, and a number of other issues that go against all the other morals they pretend to stand for in life.  Obviously, this religious thing isn’t working for our country.  The time in which religion has become most influential in our government is the time our government is hated in the world for it corrupt ways.  Amazing!

Here is a thought for us to consider. The three day old human embryo consists of 150 cells called blastocyst. This in no way can be considered a life but in all ways has the potential to save enormous amounts of life and end the suffering for basically all diseases. I read that the brain of a fly contains only 100,000 cells. The human embryo is only a fraction of that number and has yet to become anything other than a group of cells.

Yes, it sounds ridiculous that we would not allow this research. Guess what, it gets even worse. These cells that our Christian President will not allow us to use for research are destroyed anyway. Not used and thrown away.

The human embryo doesn’t have a brain or even a neuron and yet Christians get into politics and destroy the hope for many suffering people. Again, it is time to stamp out this religious evil in our country.

Maybe we can invest the money into research on Indian Reservations since it is off American Land and the Indians can use the profits to give their people a better life.  Since the Christian Americans killed off most of the native americans. 

What is the problem, it is a bunch of cells.  Do the research and help everyone.  Religion always sticks it’s nose into things and spreads intolerance, hate and creates war.  Look at history.  If we get rid of religion, tax these religious foundations like business we all win.  simple

Whether you are a Republican or a Democratic Parkinson’s disease, Multiple Sclerosis, spinal cord injuries (Chris Reeve’s), Mad Cow disease, CJD, and Alzheimer’s Disease does exists and when you or your family is devastated by one of these diseases you will change your mind. It doesn’t just happen to Democratic or Republican. I do believe that embryonic stem cells show great promise and the cure is not there yet. But you will swing towards it as soon as you hear the words you will never walk again or you are going to die with this disease. It’s not just about dying young like Superman but suffering unbelievably. I hope the ones against stem cells are going to insist that they die then be cured by stem cells. So, I as a Republican and a Catholic pray every single night that the one that took my disable parking spot that could walk into that store. That God grant them that wish to permanently park there tomorrow. Also, if you are a Republican or a Democratic stem cell is not political issue please stop trying to make it a political issue.  I pray every night that President Bush or Rush is stricken with one of these diseases so they suffer just like everyone else I wouldn’t want them to die any other way but to die without dignity.

we all know that rush follows the republican party and doesn’t have a mind of his own and will attack anyone that doesn’t follow him.  he is an idoit just like the people that believe blindly in invisible supernatural beings they call a god.  if we get rid of religion we will finally have peace and these people will stop spreading hate.

i rather spend tax dollars on research to save life instead of killing innocent people in an illegal war that we waged based on lies by a christian president that has destroyed our country.

I was fascinated by all of the comments posted here after my comment (#33630). Bob---God bless you sir! Those were kind words and I truly appreciate them. Mariam---I agree with Bob. Your comments were thoughtful and respectful and, although I disagree with your position, I respect you. With regards to your statement about embryonic stem cell research still being in its infancy, I would ask you to look at how much has been spent on that research. So far, $90 million of the taxpayer’s money has been spent on ESCR, with zero results. I wouldn’t expect the level of success to be the same as adult stem cell research, but, come on! Zero results? A conservative looks at that and says, “Let’s focus on the adult stem cell research.” The other liberals on this site say, “Rush is a jerk!” You can understand my frustration with them. God bless you Mariam!
To all of the rest of you who posted comments that were completely devoid of facts, logic or reason---God bless you, and good luck to you in whatever psychiatric ward y’all reside in.

BOB...FROM YOUR MOUTH TO GOD´S EAR!

Rush is actually showing how little he knows about PD.  Was Rush on or off drugs when he made his statement?  My husband has PD and is the same age as Fox - those movements are a side effect of the levodopa.  What a shame for all who fight PD everyday along with their families!!

Mariam,

What the government should do is continue to fund it. Then if it does get to a point were it is successful, then they can use the profits to put towards the deficit.

Bob....From what I can find out with a bit of looking, the research has not gone on long enough to prove anything, one way or another. It is still basic, not specific yet.

Also, most basic research of this type is done in University labs funded by government grants. After specific finds point the way, then it gets privatized by the drug cos. This is neither Rep or Dem, but a system that should be altered, I think.

Hey you Dave… SHHHH. between you and me, the war is going to cost 3 trillion dollars, after all is said and done.

Why don’t you move that rock you live under a little so that some sun can shine thru.

First:  Dave, you make me sad.  I can tell you come from a family that has no imminent medical problems and probably have never had to worry about either buying food OR medication.  And for your sake, I hope you never have to.

BUT, DO NOT attempt to call government funded research “unconstitutional”. 

Torture is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

ILLEGAL domestic spying is ABSOLUTELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL

The government lying to the people is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Welfare IS CONSTITUTIONAL

War profiteering is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Now I realize this may be a little difficult for trust fund babies like yourself to understand but, this country operates under the assumption that “all men are created equal” (try reading the preamble to the Declaration of Independence, I bet even you could find it there) therefore implying that we all have the right to “LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS” (same document one line down, I still think you’re capabe of locating it, but I want to be sure.  Sometimes trust fund infants don’t bother to pay attention to simple things like human rights).

In accordance with this assumption (set by our forefathers who were wealthy pricks like yourself), this means that every American should be afforded the opportunity for life and maybe even hapiness.  To facilitate this (it means make it happen) the government has been behind more than 95% of the medical research that has produced cures and treatments as they are the only ones willing to fund this research.  Since you don’t have Polio or Tuberculosis, I assume you have benefited from this governent research.  SO SHUT THE FVCK UP ABOUT PAYMENT YOU GREEDY SH!T.

Sorry, sometimes my welfare roots stick in my craw.  I do appologize for the almost harsh language.  I do realize your trust fund white sheltered life has impaired your ability to rationally process vulgarity (unless it deals with money or pages)

I DO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT HIS MEDICATION MANIPULATION!!!

HOW DARE HE go off of his medication just to illustrate the motor control damage that Parkinson’s permanently aflicts you with.  What is he thinking showing congress how ripped up his actual life really is.  When on his medication he still has the ticks, but with a lesser degree.  You might even be aware that he had to quit his job because he felt he couldn’t actively contributs due to the diseases effects on his motor skills.

As for opening himself up to criticism, go for it.  He is totally cool with cranky bitches, like yourself (see mirror), shouting out that he is a fake.  After all he is an actor right!  Hell, he’s probably lying about the whole thing just like Christopher Reeve was huh.

By the way, the money that the government puts into research is DWARFED by the subsidies to mega oil companies even during record breaking profit years!  If solar or wind had that subsidy our country would be less dependent on oil all together, but that would not go over well with war profiteers such as those who you support.  It might actually force them to adapt to a changing marketplace and innovate rather than just raping the earth for more more more.

As for guilting congress with his use (or non-use) of his medications, I find it difficult to believe that people who cut active wartime pay, cut taxes to the rich (bet you’re really pleased about that), and gut every social safety net invented would be at all affected by one man who does have money shaking in front of them for an hour or two.  They night have actually wanted him there so they and the nation could see the actual effect of the disorder.  But no one expects someone like yourself to understand this.  it’s cool, just go back to sippin’ on your mojitos and insulting those you know nothing about. 

Victomhood is a neighborhood I’ve not been to, but it sounds like a pretty sh!tty place to me.  Imagine if you were to have all of your money and house and family taken away just to be thrown into a situation where you are unable to provide for them.  Now imagine that you live in a free country that has experienced a great depression and solved (and prevented) it through such institutions as Social Security and Welfare.  Can you imagine the solace you may find if you found out that your infirmity could be lessened because you can actually recieve the medications that you need without having to go hungry, or rob, or steal to get them? 

I guess the real point is; Yes he does go off his meds, yes rush limpdick has a right to call him out on it if he chooses (1st ammendment right after all), and yes having to pay for social security may stick in your craw, but these are all things that are legal and are well within the bounds of free speech and legal limits. 

The main objection that people are voicing to what moronhead said were due to his usual callous, non-informed, hypocrytical, ignorant, and vicious way of speaking.

Personally I can’t think of a better time for him to be spouting off like this.  I applaud him for his timing and I actually think he is a Democrat now because all his fat mouth is doing is pointing out, once again, to the nation the the Republican ideal is “of the rich, by the rich, for the rich” and the rest of the fvcking losers who can’t keep their heads above water should just drown and get the fvck out of the way
so the repubicans can squeeze out some more money for the poor so they can guild thier TP.

I truly hope Rush was not high on class 2 narcotics when he said this because it might infringe on his already stellar reputation and sense of integrity when it comes time to weigh his soul for the afterlife.

Long live Rush, Long live Newt, and long live you; the trust fund spoiled brats of the 21st century and may you get everything you feel you’re entitled too without having to share at all, cause after all it is survival of the richest. 

My god bless DARWIN and may all the repubicans sleep well within their mansions and castles of money with dreams of sugar plums and candies so the screams of those that are drowning can’t get through to them.  After all, they’ve paid for it haven’t they?!.

Oh, one more thing, dave.  I hope you can stay well off and white and afford all of your medications.  I turly do; because the alternative is a nightmare in which trust fund and welfare babies alike cannot live through.

Shaverbgod

PS Pull you head out of your a$$ so you can see that there are other people on this planet who might need your help rather than your scorn. 

Oh NO!  I just broke one of your glass walls, I guess you can put a lien on my Social security checks (better hurry cause it’s about to go broke!)

Mariam,

I give you credit at least you did your homework and responded in an intelligent manner.  I can appreciate the fact that we disagree, I just can’t stand the people that claim if you don’t agree with them you are an idiot or you are stupid. 

My question to you is why should the government(Our tax dollars)fund this type of research?  Especially when it’s been proven not to work.

Rush Limbaugh is a jerk.  Michael J. Fox is going to die from this disease if we do not find a cure.  I’m not going to listen to a self-inflicted pain killer addict attack a person that has had Parkinson’s disease dealt to him through no fault of his own.  This disease is horrible and the medication does not always help control the symptoms.  Rush Limbaugh just likes to sit on his high horse and judge everyone else to feel better about himself.  I wish the best to Michael J. Fox and his family.  Keep up the good fight!!

Michael J. Fox has entered the world of politics and though his diminutive stature may betray his years...He is a big boy and should be held accountable for his words and actions. He opened himself to criticism and now he can’t believe anyone would dare speak our against him!

Fox is a favorite of the leftist candidates because he represents VICTIMHOOD!

In the past, Fox has admitted that he manipulates his medication to exagerate the tremors associated with Parkinson’s. He actually stopped taking his medicine before he testified before a Senate Appropriations Committee to guilt Congress into funding stem cell research.

So Rush is right to question Fox.

I realize that all of you losers who worship at the altar of celebrity, think that anyone who ever makes a movie should be free fro mall criticism. However, Fox is fair-game!

Furthermore, spending money on stem cell research is an unconstitutional expense (I know that is hard for you welfare babies to understand.). If private industry wishes to provide money for research, then let them...But don’t use my money to to do it!

1- LIMBAUGH SORT OF APOLOGIZED ON THE SAME BROADCAST AFTER BEING INFORMED THAT THIS IS THE EFFECT OF THE DISEASE, THIS IS THE WAY MJF REALLY IS AS HE HAS A PARTICULARLY NASTY FORM OF PARKINSONS.
2-GOP WANTS TO STOP FUNDING OF ECR. OR ANY EXPANSION OF ECR..WHICH WILL MEAN NO RESEARCH AT ALL AS ALMOST ALL OF THE RESEARCH AT THIS LEVEL IS DONE IN GOVERNMENT FUNDED UNIVERSITY LABS, NOT BY PRIVATE INDUSTRY...THEY PRIVATIZE IT WHEN IT IS TIME TO MAKE MONEY ON IT, UNTIL THAT TIME IT´S YOUR AND MY NICKEL......All transplanted tissues run a great risk of being rejected if they are not a close enough match to the patient—adult, cord blood, and ES-derived cells included. That is why transplant donors are most often from the patient’s own family and also why transplant recipients take drugs to suppress their immune system. However, ES-derived cells may one day have an advantage. Scientists think that they may be able to make customized ES cells from the patient’s own DNA that will be an exact genetic match and thus, not be rejected. The process to do this is called “nuclear transfer” and is a controversial area of research as some fear that it will lead to reproductive cloning of people. I’ve never met a scientist that wanted to clone people, but I have met many that want to clone individual cells to make tissues that will not be rejected in a transplant.
3- NO BREAK THRU.....Scientists have been able to do experiments with human embryonic stem cells (hESC) only since 1998, when a group led by Dr. James Thompson at the University of Wisconsin developed a technique to isolate and grow the cells. Moreover, Federal funds to support hESC research have been available since only August 9, 2001. RESEARCH IN IT´S INFANCY USUALLY DOES NOT HAVE A STRING OF CURES.
4-EXPLAINED IN 2 I BELIEVE.
5-LIMBAUGH WAS DOING HIS USUAL THROW SHIT AGAINST THE WALL AND SEE WHAT STICKS.

FOR BOB-33790 AND HONDO-33630

I wonder what type of people consider themselves loyal listeners to this idiot? When I heard his comments I was sickened. My own father died a HORRIBLE death as a result of Parkinsons and a day never went by that he did not pray for some type of relief. What you see on the commercial is merely the tip of the iceberg regarding the symptoms a parkinsons victim experiences. And the meds do not control the symptoms all the time.  If you want to see what Mr. Fox will look like in 5-10 years, check out Muhammed Ali.

As for those “pro-lifers” out there, I guess flushing all of the unwanted “embryos” is ok as is harvesting when too many begin to live in the womb.

After the initial shock of that big FAT Idiot, drug pushing “high on Viagra” dildo’s ramblings, I am feeling pretty happy. This is called massive and first rate implosion, ladies and gentlemen. I heard it myself on the EIB network(not really! I have better things to do such as paint my trash can). These right wingers are in a mad race to determine “who is the dumbest” among them.

Let these JACKS show their true colors. Sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

Amen Hondo Comment #33630. 

Just be prepared to be called an idiot and a hate spreader. Everyone on this site that hates Republicans will think you are stupid because you don’t agree with them.  They don’t like doing their homework they just want to repeat what the media puts out there.  First of all, why don’t you liberal Democrats do a search on google?  When Diane Sawyer interviewed MJF, he admitted that he stops taking his medication before he does interviews with Congress so that they can see his symptoms.  Also, Hondo is correct in stating that embryonic stem cell research hasn’t cured anything.  On the other hand, umbilical and adult stem cell research has led to 72 different cures. 

Finally, republicans aren’t making embryonic stem cell research illegal, they just don’t want our tax dollars to pay for it.  How come private companies aren’t investing more money into embryonic stem cell research?  Because it doesn’t work.

Why don’t you liberal democrats do your own research before you open your mouths and look totally ignorant?  Oh yeah that’s right because this is a Democratic-hate-Republican site and you liberal Democrats like to spread hate amongst each other. 

Just for the record I am a Democrat, but I vote Republican.  The reason I do is that I’ve found that Democrats lie more often than the Republicans do.  However, I don’t trust everything that people tell me. I research it and come to my own conclusions.

Hondo, I hope you spelled everything correctly or you will be called an idiot.  Even though your comment was the most intelligent one on this site.

Both Limbaugh & Rove show exaggerated symptoms of nympholepsy - a frenzy of emotion; as for something unattainable. They even look like Siamese twins.

(that wasn’t civil)

But really, what will it take to finally cut through the fog of denial, and feel embarrassed to tribe with these angst ridden chip-on-their-shoulder boys? Michael J. Fox is the only thing healthy in “Fox” news these days.

Very interesting to read some of the comments on here regarding hate speech!! I don’t hear any of you ever condemning the vituperative rhetoric coming from your Democratic leaders such as Teddy Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean etc.  Mr Limbaugh is entitled to say whatever he likes, right?  After all free speech is his right. Or is it only ok when what is being said correlates with Democratic sentiment?

I feel sorry for Rush.  He is so spiteful and suspicious of anyone and everyone that he called for the outright execution of ALL drug addicts and they are “and always will be addicted scum”.  I feel sorry for him when he reches his deathbed and realizes that God can only forgive so much.  Once you’ve tipped the balance of your soul to damaging and hurting others you are no longer in balance and will be in the depths of Hell for eternity.

Now I’m not a religious person, far from it, but if his dogma is correct he will be in misery far longer than any of his victims.

I cannot believe that he attacked MJF for anything since he is notorious for spouting off with viscious rants without a shred of proof just to garner attention and attempt to distract from the actual issues we must, as a unified nation, face.

I speak with authority on this point.  I am dying slowly from Congestive heart failure.  I’ve endured 4 open heart surgeries, 17 arhythmias, 17 cardioversions (2 non-medicated) at 360 apiece, 3 homograft pulmonic valves, 2 pulmonary arteries, 2 failed stent procedures to relieve the main cause of the CHF which is the backup to the right ventrical caused by the severe stenosis of the Pulmonary valve and artery, 1 collappsed lung 2 debreedments without sedation and am still slowly dying.

Stem cell research results are the only thing that give me hope.  I am on more medication than most heart patients and all of this started when I was two.  It took me 6 years to complete college and the last semester was done from a hospital bed as I was infected and my spleen had ruptured. 

I cannot live to see my children grow up and have lives of their own and be there for my grandchildren because we, as a country, have allowed War profiteers and corporations assume the mantle of “by the people” and have thusly enabled the neocons to rule the world.  They lie they steal, they ruin millions of peoples lives with their fiscal greed and the poor are left to die a horrible death and ridiculed for having to accept welfare.

I, for one, and sick and tired of it.  A prime hypocrit stands and delives a cesspool of non-chritianity.  Isn’t this the same “man” who called out with Newt for a resurgence of family values and helping thy neighbor?  It is obvious that his moral compass was lost years ago yet it is people like him who shove THIER RELIGIOUS BELIEFS down the throats of all Americans?!!!

Stem cell research is vital to helping people with unspeakable diseases around the world and not one neo-con will admit it has merit because they can’t wrap their heads around the fact that true life begins when the child can viably live outside the mother on it own not at conception.  Hell why don’t they just lock up every male in this country for having a wet dream.  They could go so far as to say that each ejaculation kills countless possible lives and each menstruation kills a possible human.  Their specious logic does not hols and their religious prejudice is now being legislated into laws while the majority of Americans go about their lives cause they are told everything is ok.  Ever seen THX1138? 

What we need is a clarification of the most valuable document of our coutry--The Declaration of Independence.  The opening lines are the thought of the forefather’s in reguards to what they were suffering through religious extortion and taxation without an equal voice.  If all men are created equal and we all have the right to LIFE liberty and the pusuit of Happiness as long as it does not infringe on certain inalienable rights WHY THE FUCK IS GOD ON OUR MONEY ( yes folks a secular god) IN OUR OATHS AND MAKING LIFE SAVING POLICY ILLEGAL BECAUSE THOSE IN POWER AREN’T SICK AT THE MOMENT.

Remember Nancy Reagan?  She was outright opposed to stem cell research much like many of the Republican wing WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT since it didn’t affect her life. 

NOW!!!!  Do you remember her lightning fast full 180 when her husband got sick.  She cried out for stem cell research because it was necessary for life to continue for those unjustly afflicted by random ailments. 

Let’s face it.  The government in this country is about one thing; The polarization of the money flow from the low to the high.  They don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone’s healthcare because they are all trust fund rich and they have no concept that you can’t make a living at minimum wage.  Unless they have to go through it or appease a growing contingent of voters who demand it they will go on with their outright war profiteering and pilaging of the richest oil reserves in the world to feed their gourmand glutany. 

The only real solution I see is to take away their right to vote themselves pay raises (they are in a CIVIC capacity not in the private sector) and bust each and EVERY ONE OF THEM TO FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE.  They can have no access to their own money during their tenture and they immediately have to give away and stock or conflicted interst stock and power as they step into office.  They should be made to live on this minimum wage for at least four years with NO HEALTH CARE cause they legally cannot p[ay for it.  Can you just imagine the speed at which the Federal and State minimum wages would rocket upwards?  Can you see nation health care forced through Congerss and a President who has no choice but to pass it into permanent law? 

If the super wealthy ("Have More’s") were to have to live as everyone else in this country they would finally be able to see, and much more importantly, KNOW the impossible challenges facing the working class.  And then we could rely on their greed to catch the rest of the nation’s wage up to AT LEAST the minimum wage and consider allowing full scientific explorations of life saving research to the scientists and not to the mandates of their own personal religion.  They chose their religion, we didn’t have that luxury.

Yes this is a rant, yes Limpballs has an addiction to hypocrasy, and yes the moral family values never mentioned fleecing the American people to make the rich richer.  No one in any company for any reason should be allowed a cgolden parachute in the millions uless it is no more than 5 times what the lowest paid employee gets for severence and/or bonuses. 

We must start stepping to the plate and out from in front of our televisions to bring national referendoms to approach these issues.  After all who would you rather run the country

A) A money hungry scumbag partisan liar

OR

B) A person who takes the job knowing they cannot make any money off it so they take it for truly pure reasons.  One who will be working right beside us, driving the same vehicle as us, riding mass transit like us and FINALLY indentifying with us

The ACTUAL PEOPLE.

Please ignore Rush and focus on the issues that are ripping this nation to shreds.  Bring our troops home, Impeach bush (he’s ruined hundreds of thousands of lives and killed many of our fighting men and women...Clinton only ruined a dress and a ittle dignity of his own), stop buying gasoline at all to cripple the industry and force them to lower prices, and for everyone’s sake please vote for those who offer life, not economic imperialistic Feudalism.

yours as a hopeful man

Shavergod

>>>I am pro-life and believe that starts at conception. Throw all the tomatoes you want, it’s not going to change my mind.<<

Not going to change your mind but what is in a petrii dish has neither a brain wave or heart beat and is not a a life anymore then the sperm in your body. In fact an adult with no brain wave or heart beat can be legally removed from life saving devices

Rush Slimeball and his cohert in crime Shill Oreilly, (if you HAVE to have the idiot box ON) are best viewed with the sound DOWN, these sub-human freaks need to be banished from the air waves turn them OFF!!! It’s time to BASH THE TRASH we’re tired of these peices of Shit mongering their ignorance and hate and its time to let them know FULL FORCE!

Wow! So much hate and ignorance from so many liberal wingnuts on one site! Let me introduce y’all to a few facts:
1. Limbaugh’s statement that Fox must be off his meds was based on two indisputable facts. First, Fox doesn’t display those symptoms in his TV appearances. Second, Fox himself stated in his own autobiography that he goes off his meds voluntarily when doing commercials or testifying before Congress so that people can see for themselves the horrible symptoms of Parkinson’s. Limbaugh was right. I expect an apology from the tin-foil-hat-wearing crowd on this site.
2. Fox’s ad was indisputably untruthful. Notice that I didn’t say “dishonest.” I don’t have any evidence that Fox intentionally lied. I just have evidence that he was wrong. He says that Republicans like Pres. Bush want to outlaw embryonic stem cell research. That is a false statement. Federal law allows research on existing embryonic stem cell lines, and there is not one GOP political candidate running for office today at the national level who will try to overturn that. The GOP does want to stop federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, and they want to stop human cloning and any expansion of embryonic stem cell research.
3. There has not been one single breakthrough in the history of embryonic stem cell research. There have, on the other hand, been miraculous medical breakthroughs in the areas of stem cell research that don’t deal with human embryos. Clearly, liberal Democrats are more interested in demonizing Republicans and killing human life than they are in curing disease.
4. The ballot initiative in Missouri that has stirred so much debate indisputably would open the door to human cloning. The “definition” of the type of human cloning that would be banned by the initiative just so happens to NOT be the type of cloning scientists are working on. I’ll use an analogy, so that even a liberal can understand. Lets say that I pass a law that bans the playing of baseball anywhere in my neighborhood. I then “define” baseball as a sport where a player dribbles a ball up the court and tries to shoot it into a hoop with a basket. Is baseball really banned in my neighborhood? That is just the kind of deception that liberals are using in Missouri.
5. The point that Limbaugh was making is that, first, it is tragic that Fox has this grave illness at such a young age. Second, Democrats are using their same old tired strategy of using a spokeperson for their agenda that they say is off-limits to criticism. Limbaugh says that is BS. Third, everything that Fox said in his ads was false. I would defy any of you wingnuts to dispute any of the facts I have layed out.

Let us not forget we are on the same team here.

“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.” Lincoln’s First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861.

Rush(ing) to judgement.  If you don’t know what you are talking about (which is true) please shut up!

I really do not know enough seriously bad words to express my disgust with this poor specimen of something I refuse to call human.

Rushamon Limburger is a fatbody with the I.Q. of a used condom.

I occasionally tune in to listen to his “radio talk show,” and yesterday both he and his sycophantic braindead “Ditto Head” audience were in rare bad form.

Yesterday he was mouthing off about Michael J. Fox. There is apparently -nothing- this guy says
or does that his regular listeners would find at all objectionable, as long as his vitriol is directed at Democrats, Liberals, etc.

Between this ass and Ann “I’m-Not-REALLY-A-Guy, But-Be-Sure-To-Check-Out-My-Adam’s-Apple-Anyway” Coulter, the Republican Party has tipped their hand when it comes to “compassion” “decency,” or anything else that might smack of normal human behavior. The Republican Hierarchy in Washington is uncaring, unfeeling and totally out of touch with anything remotely resembling reality. Mr. Limbaugh and Ms. Coulter are, imho, front-and-center emblematic of the Party’s TRUE colors.

Mr. “Pilonidal Cyst” Limbaugh is a joke, one that no self-respecting Republican would ever -think- of laughing at, at least in public. Personally, if I could somehow ever get through to him past his anal-retentive cadre of “Call Screeners” I’d love to ask him just one question, namely:

“Why are you not sitting in a prison cell someplace right now?”

I agree with the commercial 100% completely. It is not faked and propaganda like. It is real. The reasearch for a cure for parkinsons’s should not be illegal. I don’t have parkinson’s. I have a different body language disability. What we can do right now today is stop the f****** predjudice of people with a body language disability so that I don’t have to be an umemployed person with a genius IQ.

I am not a fan of limbaugh. I’m not loyal to republican or democrat.

I heard the context of his comments. He attacked democrats for using MJF for their campaign. It sounded like he was speculating more than straight out accusing. His comments were insensitive.

One might consider the possibility that limbauighs comments are being attacked to further promote the democratic candidates. This is exactly why I don’t like either party. I am in full agreement of stem cell research to find cures. I don’t agree with getting the stem cells from abortions but I agree with the other methods of getting them.

What’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and Josef Goebbels?

Goebbels was educated.

Rush who?  Why would anyone waste their valuable time on this earth listening to a talking head with hate spewing from it?  My mamma always said “If you can’t say something nice, just don’t say anything at all.” So, I had better stop here because I am having difficulty in finding anything nice to say about Rush What’s His Face.  And for Michael Fox, for my beautiful daughter-in-law fighting breast cancer, for a family member losing the fight with ALS, and for all the millions of others for whom stem cell research offers hope, I will be voting for sanity on November 7.  I will vote for Claire McCaskill.

Rush limbaugh, or better known as el druggo flush limpballs, is the face of the republi “con” party in all their corrupt glory. the hate he and others like hackhead hannity, acid ann coulter, bill vibrator o “lie” lly, lying laura ingrahm, silly savage and other loudmouth right wing pigs shoe the country just how desparate the republi “cons” are to have to spread hate and further divide this country.
it’s to the democrats benifits that they don’t need their hate justified and supported daily as the sheep they are by these lying republi con gop shills on radio and tv

Rush Limbaugh is a short, fat, drug addled piece of Fascist shit. I only wish he could walk one day in the shoes of Michael J Fox. Alas he has been so indoctrinated by the GOP that I doubt it would make the slightest difference in his pro-nazi sympathizing agenda’s. I’m personally happy as hell that we do not hear much from this man who is truly a disease and a blight to society.

Hey Rush, why don’t you do us all a huge favor and go eat a handful of Vicodin. It will make all of the mean Dem’s and Lib’s go away if only for a few hours or until they pump your fat bloated stomach and bring you back you “right"ality.

FIGHT THE “RIGHT”!
Libby Mitchell

Since when is Rush Limbaugh qualified to render a medical or psychological diagnosis? Wait, don’t tell me...he probably thinks all that time he spent doctor-shopping in order to get multiple prescriptions for OxyContin was equivalent to completing an M.D.! If he’s going to attack people for supposedly exploiting a medical condition, let’s talk about someone exploiting back pain in order to support a drug habit…

Based on what I remember from my physiological psychology class in college, it does seem quite possible that Michael J. Fox’s movements during the advertisement are indeed the result of actually *taking* his medication and not from abstaining from it. One of the things you learn as a psychology major is that while there is no correlation between schizophrenia and Parkinson’s Disease, it is known that imbalances of the neurotransmitter dopamine play a role in both conditions—excessive amounts in the former, insufficient amounts in the latter. It is also known that long-term use of certain dopamine antagonists (drugs designed to inhibit the action of dopamine in the body) in the treatment of schizophrenia can result in tardive dyskinesia, permanent and involuntary tics of the face and/or trunk. The drugs that Fox is taking are the reverse of these—dopamine agonists designed to facilitate the action of dopamine within the body. Given that these drugs both target exactly the same neurotransmitter within the body and that their intent is ultimately the same—correcting an imbalance and bringing neurotransmitter levels closer to normal levels—is it not logical to deduce that long-term use of the drugs that Fox is on might have a similar effect to those taken for schizophrenia, especially given the fact that Parkinson’s inevitably worsens over time and would probably necessitate stronger and stronger treatment as the disease progresses?

Even if Fox *had* deliberately refrained from taking his medication for the purposes of the advertisement, he deserves kudos and not criticism for having the courage to give people an up-close-and-personal look at what it really means to have this disease—it can’t be the easiest thing in the world for an actor, whose profession relies to a considerable degree on control over one’s own body, to do this. Rush’s ridicule of Fox simply proves once more that he’s not much more than a narcissistic, overgrown frat boy who not only sees nothing wrong with sneering at other people’s misfortunes but who positively revels in it.

Yeah, Rush is a waste.

you liberal anti-christ democrats are all the same. Rush does not spew hate, he shouts forth the truth.  you remember the old adage “the truth hurts”.  you liberals are in so much pain.

Rush represents everything amoral reprehesible and ugly in the world. How do you malign someone with a devastating illness for polictical purposes.

Rush is the best example of American White trash that I can think of.

Like my born-again Christian(whatever that term means)daughter says, “Pray for sinner”.  Rush is an abomination towards decency.  Michael Fox can be a spokesman for Parkinson’s as he is “walking the walk”.  If stem cell research would abate this terrible condition as well as other diseases why not give it try? Are are leaders so bend on the distruction of the human race, they reject anything that might benefit?

What more can I say ...

Here’s a satirical video of Rush.

. . “He’s A Nazi”
http://www.ericblumrich.com/nazi.html

.. Enjoy ..

‘S’

Not taking medication prior to his testimony, if true, was done to show what he actually suffers from. It is also his desire to not have to be medicated for the rest of his life as well as suffer any further complications from a very serious disease. Who’s to say there aren’t long-term effects from a lifetime of his medications? Desiring to be cured is not self-exploitive. Is anyone (You Liars Do Some Research) suggesting that someone who is forced to use a wheelchair be made to sit in a chair when making public appearances regarding their condition?

I didn’t realize there were still idiots around that still listened to Rush.  The man isn’t smart enough to vote for the best person but still sticks to the old way of supporting one party.  Look at what his political party has done to our country.  It is just as amazing that people still support that idiot named Bush.  Don’t get me wrong, I love Bush, just not president Bush.  We have ole George to thank for the destruction of America and it keeps getting worse.  Can’t wait until that clown is put out to pasture.  I thought Rush was already out to pasture, I guess that was just feeding time with the pigs.

Quite off the point , yet somehow still relevant:

Q: What is the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?

A: One is a flaming Nazi gas bag and the other is a blimp.

Limbaugh is a disgusting personality who is hard to look at, listen to or stomach.  I̵