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Bush Dodges O’Reilly on TorturePosted on Oct 19, 2006
The president refuses to answer Bill O’Reilly straight when the talk comes to torture. The biggest guffaw: Bush speaks about engaging in a grand “intellectual debate” on terrorism.
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By MARIAM RUSSELL, October 24, 2006 at 7:34 am #
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You are correct, Will, that a good many of our fellow Americans do not know what kind of trouble awaits us. America is in grave danger of becoming a different, radically different, country than the one they and you think you live in.
Report thisIf you do not know what habeas corpus is, how can you miss it?
They are only going to torture THEM.
We are spreading DEMOCRACY.
We attacked Afghanastan and Iraq because those nasty terrorists came over and attacked us not because the oil giants need Afghanastan´s territory for a pipeline, and Iraq has all of this lovely light crude oil.
THIS COUNTRY IS THE HOME OF THE BRAVE AND THE FREE AND WE ARE A BEACON OF FREEDOM AND RIGHT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
if you believe all that bullshit, you need to inform yourself.
You can start with Noam Chomsky. He gives you facts, checkable facts, lots of them. He is hard work, but very worth the effort. Then Gore Vidal as he is a very good writer, with a wonderful wry sense of humor, who was raised among the rich and powerful and happens to be one of the best historians writing. Then Howard¨Zinn´s History of the American People. That is a good start, then you need to pay close attention to the real news.....it sounds different after you have a good understanding of why things are happening and the disconnect between what you are told is happening and what the actual truth is. IMPORTANT TO LOOK UP PNAC ON THE INTERNET AND READ IT.
By Sheriff Ali, October 23, 2006 at 10:29 pm #
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MAN OF THE PAST AND MAN OF THE PRESENT?
In this very unpredictable and troubled time in our history, we may be well served to go back to the choice mercies of yesterday and light up the lamps of the past. One of those lamps of the past, MOHANDAS KARMCHAND GANDHI, (MAHATMA GANDHI) who although his demise transpired fifty eight years ago, he was then in life as he is in death, “The voice of the human conscience.” This extraordinary human being exemplified to us, kindness, honesty, nonviolence and the exaltation of the “individual human spirit.”
On January 30, 1948 Mahatma Gandhi was the fatality of an assassin’s bullets that was mourned by people all over the world, rich and poor, weak and strong, ordinary people and leaders of the world. U.S. Secretary of State George C. Marshall said; “Mahatma Gandhi was the spokesman for the conscience of mankind.” Leon Blum, a former French Premier said; “I do not speak his language. I never set foot in his country, and yet I feel the same sorrow as if I had lost someone near and dear. The whole world has been plunged into mourning by the death of this extraordinary man.” Gandhi died as he lived, without wealth, title, official position, academic distinction, or scientific achievement. Gandhi died as he always was, a private citizen.
Gandhi was delighted with the Sermon on the Mount that went straight to his heart; “resist not evil but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the left also; blessed are the meek; blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you; agree with thine adversity quickly; forgive men their trespasses; lay not up for thyself treasure upon the earth, for where your treasure is, there will be your heart also.”
Gandhi believed that our greatest achievement is “desirelessness,” although it has been argued desirelessness leads to personal indifference and passivity and national poverty and stagnation. Gandhi contended, on the contrary that to act while renouncing interest in the fruits of action is the best road to success. He wrote what I believe is truly the most befitting for our present state of affairs;
“He who is ever brooding over results often loses nerve in the performance of duty. He becomes impatient and then gives vent to anger and begins to do unworthy things; he jumps from action to action, never remaining faithful to the objects of senses; he is ever-distracted, he says good-by to all scruples, everything is right in his estimation and he therefore resorts to means fair and foul to attain its end.”
If we can just be neutral for a moment and contemplate our present predicament, our President, George W. Bush has blatantly breached the Constitution, ignored the Geneva Convention, resorted to rendition and torture, taken unilateral action for which our sixteen spy agencies concluded in their April 2006 National Intelligence Estimate, “Trend in Global Terrorism,” “that our invasion of Iraq has placed the United states of America and its foreign interest at a much higher risk, because we have managed to increase the “Jihadists” in both numbers and geographic dispersion; if this trend continues, threats to the United States at home and abroad will become more diverse, lending to increasing attacks worldwide.”
[The above quotes are not my words, but that of the “Declassified judgments of the National Intelligence Estimate, formulated by the United States sixteen spy agencies]
For the self-denying exceptional practitioner, Mr. Bush, he should know that we can achieve real lasting results, even material results, untainted by ugly means. Many defenders of minorities accordingly aim to sell the minority to the majority, and persecution, whether by minorities or majorities, results from intolerance of differences and from fears based on lack of self-faith.
In Gandhi’s Hut he had only one decoration on his mud wall. A black and white portrait of Jesus Christ under which was written; “He is our peace.” When the statement was posed at him, “You are not a Christian!” Gandhi replied; “I am a Christian and a Hindu, and a Moslem and a Jew.” That made Gandhi a better Christian than most Christians, and a better Moslem than most Moslems. The Reverend K. Matthew Simon said of Gandhi, “It was his life that proved to me more than anything else that Christianity is a practicable religion even in the twentieth century.”
Gandhi’s nonviolence was based on personal ethics; truth, love, service, scrupulous methods and means, none hurting by deed or word, tender tolerance of differences, and desirelessness or at least, moderation in the pursuit of material things. Secondly, it was a technique for the prevention of conflicts between races and countries; “Turn the searchlight inward,” he repeatedly urged, “perhaps the fault is partly yours. Adjudicate, negotiate, arbitrate,” he begged, “otherwise one inter-religious brawl or one race riot will increasingly create fuel for another and one war will generate the venoms, fears and military designs which make a second and a third more likely. Violence is self-perpetuating.”
Perhaps, just perhaps, Gandhi’s message may somehow secrete the hearts of those that are in Leadership positions, who can help make better tomorrows for the world as a whole, and especially for our children, and our children’s children!
Written by Sheriff Ali, October 03, 2006
Report thisBy scott, October 23, 2006 at 6:27 pm #
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I MISS UHOLDEM,BUT THEY TOLD ME I WAS LIKE A DRUG DEALER,I WAS A ADDICTED. MY LOCAL CONGRESSMAN ,SPENCER BACHUS THATS WHAT HE SAID.I LIKE POKER,BUT HIS SON MUST HAVE LOST ALL HIS MONEY AND NOW WE ALL HAVE TO PAY.SO BACHUS KISS MY BIG FAT -ASSSS. I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A RED CHINA REPUBLICAN AGAIN. I NEED A HOUSE IN AUSSIE,SCREW THIS PLACE. RALPH REED I HOPE U BURN IN HELL
Report thisBy phil vargas, October 23, 2006 at 5:47 pm #
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On Aug 31, 2005 Federal Judge Emmet Sullivan ruled “The Government does not have to answer any questions to the American people even though it is guaranteed in the first Amendment. Does this scare you....
Report thisBy Will Askee, October 23, 2006 at 2:53 pm #
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I don’t think most Americans know the danger we are in as a nation. When CNN is showing “snuff” films against our brave soldiers in Iraq something is very wrong. When the media acts in such lopsided left-leaning editorials & politics how can this country have hope???? We need the politicians out of the war and the generals running things. Defeat of the Islamists is the only option. God bless George Bush and God bless America.
Report thisBy Bob Russell, October 23, 2006 at 11:57 am #
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Why do we hire private contractors to interogate, and why are these “prisoners” not here in the USA. but offshore?? Could our leaders be guilty of war crimes or maybe even treason?
Report thisSomething to think abaout.
Bob
By Delores, October 23, 2006 at 8:41 am #
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Bush:need to leave Connie Rice along so He can Have a clear head on our Dieing Troups.and close the borders to foreign countries mexico,canada and stop letting this be a free world. what is that he had a son? their be know war.he’s not fit to be president to our nation.all he cares about his oil the texas cowboy.thats all he is.not a commander of chief.
Report thisBy Lee, October 23, 2006 at 5:09 am #
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Bush is still the same old liar as always.
Report thisHe will have lots to explain to the American people when North American Union takes over the
United States that Bush signed a secret agreement
behind closed doors with Mexico and Canada to do
away with our borders so Mexico can have free run
of our country.
Bush should be convicted ot treason along with
Cheney and Rumsfeld, Connie Rice cant stay out
of bed with Bush long enough to see her short lived career at the White House unless Bush divorces Laura and Marries Connie. May happen.
By Sheriff Ali, October 22, 2006 at 9:35 pm #
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AMERICA’S ENDANGERED FOUNDATION
Dedicated to: “The Restoration of America’s Democracy”
The founding fathers implemented a foundation
That made America the greatest nation,
The guilty would have to make restitution
But not without appropriate adjudication
Since 1776 our nation always stood tall
Through wars and decades of the Berlin Wall,
Even through the years of Stalin and egregious Hitler
No American President was seen as a dictator
Freedom in America is not a privilege but a “right”
Guaranteed by the Judicial and Congressional oversight,
Now the Right-Wing congress passed a bill
And with Bush’s signature, “Habeas Corpus,” they did kill
Habeas Corpus “was” regarded as the great constitutional guaranty
For every person’s freedom and liberty,
But the inception of Dictatorship by the Supreme Court’s Presidency
We have become despots in the eyes of everybody
We can again become the world’s respected Union
Only if we again honor, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution!
© Sheriff Ali 2006
Author’s Comments
The Writ of Habeas Corpus is not to determine a prisoner’s guilt or innocence, and the only issue which it presents is whether a prisoner is restrained of his Liberty by “Due Process.” Just imagine, George W. Bush whose “deception and lies” lead us into this Iraq war that has cost the lives and severe injuries to some twenty three thousand American Soldiers and the deaths of one hundred thousand plus Iraqis, and yes he, George W. Bush is now the “sole” decision maker of who has the right to Habeas Corpus. In the words of Benjamin Franklin; “If we sacrifice our liberties in the name of freedom, then we deserve neither.” Vote in November 2006 not out of Party’s loyalty, but vote to restore our democracy, and if not for our sake, but for the future of all of “our children, and our children’s children”.
Written by Sheriff Ali
Report thisBy common man, October 22, 2006 at 3:27 pm #
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All Bush is missing is the mustache and Heil Hitler salute. Let’s hope the presidency doesn’t get hijacked in 2008 as well. We may have more in common with North Korea then we thought.
Report thisBy MARIAM RUSSELL, October 22, 2006 at 11:45 am #
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Only one thing wrong with that, aside from the obvious indecency and immorality which are givens, torture was designed, not to elicit usable intelligence, in spite of the scripts of 24, but to force a confession to whatever the torturers need to justify themselves. It is designed and used to destroy the person and create terror. NOW EXPLAIN TO ME AND EVERYONE HERE WHY WE NEED TO BE DOING THESE THINGS? THEY HAVE ONLY BEEN DONE BY THE VERY WORST OF DICTATORS......SO, WHY?
Report thisBy lisa, October 22, 2006 at 11:30 am #
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This interview leaves me wondering....if Bush is so adament about not sharing what torture techniques are being used, will these people ever see the light of day again? Once released, I’m sure that at least one of those imprisoned would divulge the acts that were committed against them. Could you imagine a few of our fellow Americans coming out and saying that they were tortured without any due process? The PR nightmare would be insurmountable for the Republican Party. No....I can’t see our government allowing any of these people to ever have contact with the outside world again. I wonder how many innocent people will die in the name of our new form of “democracy”. 20 years ago, the democratic government in Argentina was overthrown and 30,000 of it’s citizens were rounded up over the years and disappeared.....forever. They were quietly taken into custody, never given trials, and tortured horrifically. Is this starting to ring a bell? How frightening that we believe that even though these “good guys” asked for permission to committ atrocious acts, we still have faith that they won’t use them against us. 20 years down the line, I wonder how much shame we will feel when it all comes out about the unspeakable acts of torture that were committed in the name of freedom with our quiet submission. As much guilt and shame as the ordinary German citizen felt after World War II?
Report thisBy B W, October 22, 2006 at 8:54 am #
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They can do whatever they want to captive enemy combatants to get information from them, especially if it saves American lives. It’s war and unfortunately, people must die. I would rather it be them than us.
Report thisBy TORTURE43, October 22, 2006 at 6:50 am #
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does that mean we need to TORTURE #43 to get the answers???????
Report thisBy Trader Vic, October 22, 2006 at 5:43 am #
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That someone so intellectually challenged was elected, legally or not, not once but twice to me says more about the competition as opposed to the village idiot himself.
Neither Gore nor Kerry could beat this guy? We are in deep caca!
Report thisBy Guitarsandmore, October 21, 2006 at 8:17 pm #
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He has shown a pattern of abuse of powers.
He has lied about Weapons of Mass destruction.
He has lied about Iraq being connected to 9/11 and then admitted it had no connection.
He has broken laws and then created new laws to circumvent the Geneva Convention.
He has ignored the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or 1948-1998.
He has promised to go after Osama Bin Laden and then dropped the pursuit.
He has tortured the innocent until proven guilty and when taken to task by his own party he and Cheney still tried to leave weasel words in their documents so that torture could be used in certain situations. He claims not to know or understand what human dignity means or why torture is so bad. (most disturbing).
He made no effort to protect our borders until 5 years after 9/11.
He has refused to act on any suggestion the 9/11 commission produced.
He attempted to give port security away to a foreign country.
Thousands died in the Katrina hurricane while waiting for rescues that never came.
The Republican Party openly accuses the Democrats of being terrorists and makes vile unsubstantiated accusations in threatening and menacing ways.
He has relaxed environmental laws that promote pollution and hurry along a doom of global warming.
He failed to sign up for the Kyoto agreement with other nations.
He has failed to show any ability to negotiate in a friendly professional manner.
He has allowed a Republican culture of corruption with jail for congressmen and others.
ALL OF THIS AFTER RUNNING ON A PLATFORM OF FAMILY VALUES AND MORALITY.
Report thisBy Slammy, October 21, 2006 at 6:47 pm #
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This just shows how stupid Bush is and what a liar he is. F*CK him!
Report thisBy Dan, October 21, 2006 at 1:16 pm #
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I guess waterboarding is a sport now instead of a warcrime? as “...A Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, was tried in 1947 for carrying out a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II, and was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor. [4] The charges against Asano included other abuses of prisoners”
Report thisBy gary smith, October 20, 2006 at 10:32 pm #
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Speaking of cyanide capsules, that would be a thoughtful item to include when you’re putting together a Care package of body armor and snacks for your GI.
Report thisTo cover a bunch of suits’ asses, they got rid of habeus corpus and made torture legal - retroactively.
Water-boarding is torture. We convicted Japanese for doing it in WWII.
U.S. soldiers will pay the price for our inaction.
By Abdifatah Sulieman, October 20, 2006 at 2:01 pm #
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the best comment for this article and bush’s videos is
Comment #30016 by GW=MCHammered on 10/20 at 8:58 am
I hope Bush’s mind works all the time when he is awake, which comment should we make is the question.
Comment #30016 by GW=MCHammered on 10/20 at 8:58 am
you are tolent human being!
you got it all correct! and I believe that was your comments!
This president is needs help, I hope decides the right act.
Report thisBy James V, October 20, 2006 at 1:54 pm #
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OK, I know it’s been asked before but he/they keep saying the same stupid things so I guess I’ll ask it again:
How in the hell do you adjust your “tactics” if you know how they torture you? As a matter of fact...WHAT “tactics”? Does he even know what the hell he’s talking about? Let’s see, so if the “terrorists” know how you will torture them they will change their “tactics” and what, not get captured? Or perhaps they will all come with standard issue cyanide molars? No? Well then perhaps they will run out and buy copies of 101 Ways to Beat Torture (looking up those specific types of torture that we now call NOT torture)?
It’s blatantly absurd and morally nauseating to even consider torture. It’s been irrefutably proved that the information garnered through torture is HIGHLY unreliable. A person will tell you anything you want to hear under those conditions. I suppose that’s probably the only way they will ever actually hear what they want to hear because apparently reality and facts give them a rash.
Someone should just smack him square in the head. Like with anything that isn’t working right, it really doesn’t help but you sure feel better after you do it…
Report thisBy MARIAM RUSSELL, October 20, 2006 at 10:03 am #
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RAYGUN WAS CANNONIZED, KISSINGER IS FAT, RICH AND AN ADVISOR TO PRESIDENTS. WE WERE TOLD ABOUT CONDOR, THE TORTURE AND MURDERS IN CENTRAL AMERICA. DID THE AUTHORS PAY? OLIVER NORTH IS ON TELEVISION, FOR PITY´S SAKE, AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA OF JUST WHAT PAYS. WOULD YOU SAY THAT TODAY WAS INEVITABLE? I THINK SO.
Report thisBy kevin99999, October 20, 2006 at 8:52 am #
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What a load crap? we dont torture, we dont lie, we dont build nuclear bombs, we can arrest our citizens and hold them indefinately without charges but we are a democracy...hahahaha
Report thisBy GW=MCHammered, October 20, 2006 at 7:58 am #
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Bush’s farewell speech mid double-o-seven.
FADE IN
Haggard Bush humps over a podium. Next to him in blackface, Bill O’REILLY interprets playing Little Richard.
BUSH: My fellow Americans. This is a-uh, difficult day for your president. It’s hard. A tough one. But make no mistake about it…
O’REILLY: WAAAAA, I just love rub-a-dubs!
BUSH: As your Decider, I’ve had to learn somethings the hard way.
O’REILLY: Gots-to, Gots-to, yeah you Gots-to!
BUSH: For one thing, uh, the result of my ability to uber-focus and my, my bottom-line managing style, has sometimes put the bottom at the top. You know the, the baby buggy before the ox as we say in Texas.
O’REILLY: OOOOO, that’s just smelly!
BUSH: Now all a you know I’m a deeply, a pathological religious man.
O’REILLY: Praise bejeezus!
BUSH: But all a you know this too, that I’m no ‘Cut and Runner’ either.
O’REILLY: WAMPBAMPALADOO, parrots scare me! They scare you?
BUSH: So today, I am deeply disturbed.
O’REILLY: Gotsa chill!
BUSH: Deeply saddened in my heart. To announce that my party, the uh, the uh, Republican Party heh-heh, has asked me to step aside, to uh, step down.
O’REILLY: You be steppin’ and we be dancin’!
BUSH: So being the strong man of faith I am. And uh, and a homegrown Texan.
O’REILLY: Hoe grown!
BUSH: I’ll respect my party’s wishes and be headin’ back south to what I know best… beatin’ the ground for Oil.
O’REILLY: Always beatin’ da shit outta somethin’!
BUSH: Now you can rest assured, it’s been my honor to serve you and uh, who knows, maybe someday, if you’re lucky, I’ll run again.
O’REILLY: Serve this - SHWIIIIING!
BUSH: My name is Gdubya, and I approve this message.
Bush whimpers as two white-coats wrench him from the podium.
O’REILLY: God bless America, WOOOOO!
FADE OUT
(copyright yada yada yada ... for entertainment purposes only)
Report thisBy richard, October 20, 2006 at 7:55 am #
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An election coming and exxon mobil now owns the diebold co.millions and millions of us must go to our capital and remove these people before america is on fire..
Report thisBy gonnuts, October 20, 2006 at 5:59 am #
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The fact this torture is even a debate is a travesty.
I’m afraid that we’re to the point of no return. That this country has been taken over without a shot being fired and that the people won’t recognize this until the jackboots come down their street.
Report thisBy george, October 20, 2006 at 2:23 am #
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No matter what our President says- we torture people!!! Hard to believe we have been led by the decider to this this moral low.
Report thisBy christian, October 20, 2006 at 1:45 am #
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So Bush can’t answer a straight question, he can’t put his sentences in gramatical sequence and Bill O’rielly feeds him soft vocabulary to squeeze him through the interview.
Report thisDoes anybody else feel like we’re being led by complete morons?
This is absolutely childish reasoning.
Are the American people really this stupid to champion this guy??
Give a few minutes reflection to ANY interview from Bill Clinton ever and you’ll see (personal foibles and all) a GREAT intellect at work.
Seeing through Bush’s charade is a comple no-brainer and I’m incredibly worried about the future of America.
My God in heaven!
By Manny, October 19, 2006 at 9:14 pm #
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The leader of the free world ? And now the
Report this“ decider” of who gets tortured. I don’t know what the President means, how does one adjust to the tactics of torture. Please explain that to me ?
By Dave, October 19, 2006 at 8:29 pm #
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I was almost water boarded on the street yesterday. Check my blog posts and see WTF is going on already.
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