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Mark A. Fischer on Joe Torre

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Posted on Jul 3, 2009
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By Mark A. Fischer

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Managers have to expect the unexpected. Now the manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers, Torre has new challenges. When Manny Ramirez, the crazy genius rock star of right-handed hitting, is outed for using illegal somethings (and as a result temporarily suspended from baseball), it is deeply disappointing. But it’s ultimately not shocking. Geniuses are entitled to latitude, cheaters aren’t. (Torre’s Dodger player Manny will no doubt be the subject of a chapter in Torre’s “The Dodger Years,” if he gets around to writing it. Torre’s steadiness would seem a good antidote to Manny’s attitude.)

Torre heaps praise or dirt, as he sees it, on his former players. In “The Yankee Years,” we learn that Derek Jeter is every bit as classy, and as much a stand-up guy, inside the clubhouse as he is on the field. A-Rod is called “A-Fraud” by teammates. Johnny Damon fights off demons and was (surprisingly) disliked by his teammates because they saw him as dragging down the team. Kyle Farnsworth can sit “in the corner of the tiny run-down trainers’ room in the visiting clubhouse” of Shea Stadium and cry (there is crying in baseball, after all!). It’s reassuring to learn that Paul O’Neill was to his manager the gritty gamer the fans thought he was. Torre became more and more uneasy with Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman. Torre, who prizes heart very much, wanted Bernie Williams to stay on the team in 2007; Cashman overruled him. And there’s just a little insight as to Torre’s perennial trait of overworking his middle relief staff.

 

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By Joe Torre and Tom Verducci

 

Doubleday, 512 pages

 

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Pitcher Kevin Brown is held out for particular scorn. In deciding who should be the Yankees pitcher in the seventh game against the Red Sox in the 2004 playoffs, Torre’s book says, “That left Kevin Brown, the 39-year-old pitcher with the bad back, the carrier of bad karma, and the guy who looked hurt and ineffective in Game 3 in only his fourth game since breaking his left hand in a childish fit of anger.” Hard to find a compliment for Brown in that sentence.

It’s one thing to lose while trying. It’s another to quit. In a May 2007 game against what were the then-Devil Rays (today known as the Rays), at the end of the first inning, having given up six runs, Brown told Torre, “I’m done!” Torre found Brown curled up in a corner of a storage area in the back of the clubhouse. Brown said, “I’m going to go home.’ ” And he didn’t mean home plate. Torre somehow managed to convince Brown to go back to the mound.

In the chapter entitled “The Attack of the Midges,” Torre says that his worst managerial mistake was failing to demand that the Yankees leave the field in game two of the 2007 Division Series. Why? An onslaught of midges swarmed the Yankees and surely distracted pitcher Joba Chamberlain. Cleveland hurler Fausto Carmona, in contrast, even though his neck was covered in midges, thrived in the game. Maybe Cleveland manager Eric Wedge’s best decision ever was to keep Carmona and his team in the game, midges or not. In other words, two managers made the same decision. For one manager it worked, for the other it didn’t. Despite its considerable insights, Sabermetrics, a science of baseball studies, couldn’t have predicted which pitcher was more midge-proof.

For the Yankees, only a World Series marked a successful season. By that standard, 2007 was a failure because the Yankees exited early in the playoffs to the Indians. The tension in Torre’s relationship with the Steinbrenner family and with Cashman had reached the breaking point in the offseason. The Yankees offered Torre a one-year contract with bonuses for performance. Torre demanded two years. Torre believes that Cashman let him down. As the negotiations ended (he did his own negotiating—no Scott Boras for Joe Torre), he realized, “The allies of Joe Torre had dwindled to zero.” The negotiations were over and Joe Girardi would replace Torre.

Was Torre, in his Yankee years, just lucky to be the right man at the right time? When he was blessed with Paul O’Neill and Derek Jeter in his prime the team won championships. When fortune burdened him with Carl Pavano and the perplexing A-Rod he did not (nor had he won a pennant with the other teams on his managerial résumé, the Mets, Braves and Cardinals).

At a time when America so deeply places its hope for progress in its new president, and CEOs are acutely held responsible for their enterprises, it’s hard not to believe that a leader makes a difference for better or worse. Intuitively, baseball fans respect Torre. We believe that he is one of the game’s very best managers, for which the longtime support by his best players is convincing inferential proof. We are surer, however, that it’s the players who ultimately win or lose the game. The best way for any manager to win is to get good players to hit, pitch, field and run for him.

Mark A. Fischer is a Boston-based new media lawyer, copyright law professor and Red Sox season ticket holder.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 7, 2009 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

Furthermore, many smart baseball players, even BRILLIANT ones make lousy managers.

Ty Cobb, at the end of his career, played for the Philadelphia Athletics and Connie Mack.  Cobb LOVED Mack because Mack made him a far better fielder. Mack knew EXACTLY how each pitcher pitched, how each hitter hit, and how the winds in each stadium affected the batted ball!  His positioning of players to maximize their defensive capability astonished and delighted Cobb, who was, by his own admission, a mediocre fielder who needed and WANTED every edge.  Contrast this with Darryl Strawberry’s refusal to move around int he Mets’ outfield, killing the grass in what was called the “Strawberry Patch”.

Yet Cobb as a manager was feared and hated, and never loved.  And he never won a pennant.  Ted Williams was a terrible manager.  Tommy LaSorda, who never made it out of the minor leagues as a pitcher, had remarkable success as a manager.  Frank Robinson, a HOF player, was never more than a mediocre manager.

Curiously, Rogers Hornsby, (described by some of his fellows as “a prick”) won one WS as player-manager for the Cardinals.  But as a manager never achieved that success again.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 7, 2009 at 4:20 am Link to this comment

What Fischer doesn’t know about baseball, Joe Torre, the Yankees, or the New York pressure-cooker is endless.

Joe Torre was seen as a manager with limited, at best, success.  He was the 4th pick for the Yankees. Fischer misses JUST how significant an opening statement that is.  Also he misses that the NY tabs, (Daily News and NY Post) deplored the pick of “Clueless Joe” (as the banner headlines read at the time).  NOBODY expected him to be successful, and expected Steinbrenner to fire him as soon as someone “better” showed up—like Lou Pinella, a former Yankee star.

Fischer’s comments on managers being insecure is simply a reflection that ALL coaches are hired to be fired—in ALL sports.  Walter Alston suffered season after season as Walter O’Malley’s manager with never more than a 1 year contract—so he KNEW he could NEVER count on “wait till next year”.

Fischer also misses that Ted Williams’s “Get a good pitch to hit” wasn’t Williams’s insight: It was the advice he was given by Rogers Hornsby, perhaps the greatest pure hitter (and total @$$hole) in baseball’s history—the man who batter .424 for a single season.

One can get FAR better insight into a manager’s difficulties from Jim Bouton’s hilarious book “I Managed Good, They Just Played Bad”.  A baseball manager IS a manager, just like a project manager or a sales manager.  You can’t succeed with bad people, unless you turn them into good people.  And you can still fail with good people.

A sports manager has multiple jobs. College football/basketball coaches see it even more:
1) Recruitment
2) Training and teaching skills
3) Incorporating those skills into the team system
4) Managing personalities and conflicts
5) “Growing” the skills and talents of your personnel.
6) Setting long-term strategies
7) Setting short-term, “game day” strategies
8) Bench-managing, ie, coaching the game as events occur
9) Dealing with the GM and owners
10) Dealing with the press.

And probably a dozen things I missed as well—much of this is clearly the same as any manager.

Torre was, I believe, the third most successful manager the Yankees ever had, after Casey Stengel and Joe McCarthy (NOT the infamous Senator).  I don’t think Ralph Houk did better (I could be wrong) and I KNOW Billy Martin did worse.

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By Robert Buchanan, July 6, 2009 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment
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Fischer raises a valid point—like all sports franchise managers, Torre really is just one more insecure man in an insecure profession.  Ultimately, how can anyone know for sure who is a good manager or a bad one? Mind you, maybe Fischer is showing his Red Sox bias and maybe no Red Sox fan is capable of loving the great Torre enough…

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By Milwaukee guy, July 3, 2009 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
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Well, thanks for your strongly held opinions, Mark, but I thought this was supposed to be a book review! Geez! And I happen to disagree with your main opinion: I think managers do win games and do make a big difference! And I think most baseball insiders would agree with me!

Unfortunately, I have seen too many poor managers fail to make the moves that good managers make to win games. Postioning a fielder just so, and watching him make a play he otherwise would not have made. Calling for a certain pitch at the right moment. Giving a struggling player a day off. Not panickng after losing the first game of a play-off series. All of these things make a critical difference.

Joe Torre lives and breathes baseball. He loves to analyze just-played games, re-consider options, talk the intricacies of the game. He is a master of baseball. Just his decision to have a bench coach was itself wise and masterful. The criteria for judging the performance of any manager is how much did he get out of the players he had, how well did he seize the opportunities at hand, and how well did handle the factors that were beyond his control—not, did he win the pennant?

And could anyone have handled George Steinbrenner any better than did Joe Torre?

I am so-o-o tired of hearing the easy cliche that “players play the game” when anyone can see the difference between a well-managed team and one that is not managed well. “Intuitively, baseball fans respect Torre”? No. Baseball fans have had many years of experience yielding many very good reasons to respect Joe Torre.

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By Samson, July 3, 2009 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

The fascinating thing about baseball is that it is all a sequence of individual plays.  Even on a double play, each player has a series of independent individual acts to perform.  For instance, the shortstop would field a bouncing ground ball headed his direction. Then he gets the ball out of his glove and makes a throw towards second base, attempting to place the ball in the perfect position over the bag for the second baseman to easily catch the ball and continue the double play.

None of that has anything to do with any other player.  Its entirely up to the shortstop to execute his part of the play perfectly.  A double play only results when the three players all do their individual acts correctly.  Or four players if you include the pitcher who threw the pitch that induced the hitter to hit the ground ball to begin with.

Baseball is full of these larger constructs.  Double plays, scoring rallies and the such that actually put points on the scoreboard. Which combine into larger constructs like wins and losses and standings and pennant races.  Or the even larger statistical constructs like home run tallies, batting averages, earned run averages and the such. 

But, the key to playing baseball is to put all of that out of your mind, and instead focus your concentration entirely on that bouncing ball heading towards you so you can correctly catch the ball and throw it like you are supposed to do.  You have to forget that its the ninth inning of the seventh game of the world series. You have to forget that the sportswriters are touting you for going 71 post-season innings without an error.  You have to forget all of the larger constructs, and instead just focus entirely on that bouncing ball.

Some managers seem to have a knack for both picking the players who can do this, and then putting them into the right frame of mind where they can do this.  I watched Joe Torre take a always-losing Atlanta Braves team to the playoffs in the early 80’s.  He was a good manager before he went to the Yankees, and he seems to be doing a pretty good job since in LA.  Managing is a subtle thing in itself, and Joe Torre has a long record of being rather good at it.

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By Blackspeare, July 3, 2009 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

Even though a baseball game can be slumberous, it is a complicated thinking man’s game.  The rule book is a tome when compared to lets say socker, whch has a manual a little less than two pages long.  Also, baseball is unique in a fascinating way——it is the only team game made up of individual play——except during a double play each team member plays for himself.  Also it is the only game, like cricket, where the offense never physically touches the ball.  Baseball is a great game to watch and play——and though it may appear to be slow. there is a lot of strategy going on between the pitches!  And as Soupy Sales would say, “Baseball is a game where he would kiss his girl friend between the strikes and she would kiss him between the balls!”  Yes, baseball is that great a game.

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