“if the web is indeed controlled by the dark side, why does truthdig survive on the web?”

how else you gonna compile a list of enemies to be disposed of once the dictatorship assumes power?

not to mention the fact that there may be a “cold civil war” going on in america, and some factions want to compile a list of enemies, some factions are holding out for the slim hope of truth emerging somehow, some factions believing they’re so powerful that they create their own reality, and anything we do is irrelevant…

remember this?

“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

zuckerbag is the douche berg of the year.

tropic:

Of course, if the web is indeed controlled by the dark side, why does truthdig survive on the web? Unless the dark side thinks truthdig is an irrelevant comedy site.

“Tropicgirl you raise some interesting issues.  It is horrifying to see our freedom
being surreptitiously stripped away day, by day, by day.  I do, however, have one
point of contention with your post.  You wrote:  “After 9/11, the US intelligence
community became so excited by the possibilities of new technology and the
innovations being made in the private sector, that in 1999 they set up their own
venture capital fund, In-Q-Tel.”  Now, I’m quite certain these dudes are up to
some shady business, but 9/11 happened in 2001, 3 years AFTER In-Q-Tel was
founded.”

Well, as we all know the internet (the www part) was a project of the government and certain corporations, such an the Rand Corporation, Carnegie, etc. I’m sure that the government sees itself as perfectly justified in controlling the web, from the very beginning, as they had so much of a role in initiating it. Just as the government has been involved in all sorts of media, throughout recent history, many times using it to shore up support for war. And it is nothing new that false flag events (staged events) have been used in tandem with a certain amount of propaganda via the media.

The 911 event accelerates this in a large way. It has provided justification for a brutal occupation while providing unlimited justification for spying on the American people who might oppose it.

But, as I said, I am sure the government see this situation as perfectly justified. At many levels. The problem is, in my opinion, is that the rouge dark side and criminal element has taken over this power over the internet, and now uses it against whoever they want to. At least for now. The 911 event has ensured this like nothing else.

I don’t know where the Moussad idea came into this, except to possibly be a rent-a-spook. The fact that a certain number of Israelis are out of control, willing to do bad things, has no reflection on any good person, Israeli or not. I’m sure the dark side is filled with diversity.

ardee:

Well, that was helpful.

He. Zuckerberg. Who were you talking about with your “a better choice” comment?

And your reference to the Preamble was apropos of what exactly? My comment that “for the good of all” is a mighty high standard, as if that somehow contradicted the Preamble?

Maybe it’s you who need to step away from the bar. Talk about incoherence.

It is appropriate and fitting that Time decided to name the CEO of Facebook as
“Person of the Year.” News coverage in this country is atrocious. Rather than
providing comprehensive coverage of national and world events, media outlets
have elected to focus on infotainment. Entertainers regularly appear on major
television programs to provide insight into world affairs, and the majority of
people can’t distinguish commentary from true news reporting. Events that
would have been reserved for tabloid magazines twenty years ago now appear
as serious news stories on popular networks and radio programs.

The quality of news coverage in the United States will continue to decline given
that most people are content with the diet prepared by editors and producers.
There is no doubt that Mark Zuckerberg has greater name recognition than
Julian Assange, Robert Gates, or Hamid Karzai. Therefore, for the foreseeable
future, Time should reserve its Person of the Year to entertainers, media
personalities, as well as other individuals who dominate pop culture.  At least
people will recognize the person on the cover.

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ardee:

Well, he certainly has your “social impact” category nailed down. No one can meet your “for the good of all” requirement.

I would respond to this semi coherent post but cannot find much within it worthy of my efforts. Oh, what the heck…..

He, who he?

“for the good of all”? Of course, the preamble to the Constitution notes that as well, and that seems good enough for me.

In case you’ve forgotten it, or don’t give a crap about it:

“ We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

One suggestion, oh errant comma person, no martinis before posting.

bloody hell - can this nation, in any way, become more fatuous?

tinfoil for all? we are DEVO!

Should have been Julian…

“First you accept as fact tropicgirl’s hallucination that the CIA and Mossad are a front for Facebook. Then you use that “fact” to besmirch Zuckerberg.”

i didnt say that the CIA and mossad are fronts for facebook… i am saying that facebook may have been coopted by peres to serve as a conduit for zionist propaganda.

given the whole lashup in this supposed “full spectrum dominance”, it’s hard to tell fish from fowl, especially in view of facebook’s overnight rise to dominance of the social sites.

“The CIA cannot cap enterpise or the power of innovation.”

nope, but they can sure pave the way to riches for an innovator, and so can the israeli american propaganda apparatus once it’s clued in… clued in by, for instance, the president of israel.

who knows what’s going on? ...i sure dont, especially in view of accusations of antisemitism against zuckerberg are surfacing on the net, including on facebook itself.

what the hell are we to make of that? ...beats the living dogpoop outa me.

flickervertigo:

First you accept as fact tropicgirl’s hallucination that the CIA and Mossad are a front for Facebook. Then you use that “fact” to besmirch Zuckerberg. tropicgirl is a blithering idiot. You’re a blithering idiot. Find another blog, preferably one where everyone wears tinfoil hats.

flickervertigo,

Booga Booga, CIA under your bed.

The CIA cannot cap enterpise or the power of innovation. 

After facebook took off, I suspect CIA counterintel looked at how facebook could be used against them and how they could stymie or obfuscate Zuckerberg.

I’m sure he would cooperate since he and the CIA have pretty much the same mission.

Who knows, those NOC agents likely posted a picture, and maybe a whole networks exist.  Alot of potential in the ‘cover’ catagory.

“Zuckerberg has proven the American dream and is deserving of the honor.”

yes, every american i know would be pleased to sell out to the CIA and the state of israel to make a few billion bucks.

“person of the year” is just icing on the cake.

bomb iran

Zuckerberg has proven the American dream and is deserving of the honor.

ardee:

Well, he certainly has your “social impact” category nailed down. No one can meet your “for the good of all” requirement.

to tropicgirl...

if facebook is a CIA startup, then is recommended by shimon peres, the president of israel, then more-or-less overnight becomes the top social site on the net, what are we supposed to think?

is peres working for the CIA, or is the CIA working for peres?

and who is zuckerberg working for, or does it matter?

*shrug*

For gods sake, how long are we, in this country, going to serve as patsies, no less than the underwear terist patsy, or the xmas terist patsy, or the shoe patsy or the wiki patsy?

At this point, I believe it is willing, self-deception.

“”(sorry if I already posted this, but…)

The control of Facebook is obvious. And, apply it to ALL the other important American industries, from energy to food, equally, as far as where they get their cash and who they work for…

  ““The Electronic Frontier Foundation sued the CIA, the US Department of Defense, Department of Justice and three other government agencies on Tuesday (Feb 2010) for allegedly refusing to release information about how they are using social networks in surveillance and investigations.

  The not-for-profit internet rights watchdog group formally asked more than a dozen agencies or departments in early October to provide records about federal guidelines on the use of sites such as Facebook, Twitter and Flickr for investigative or data-gathering purposes, according to the lawsuit.

  The requests were prompted by published news reports about how authorities are using social networks to monitor citizen activities and aid in investigations. For example, according to the lawsuit, government officials have: used Facebook to hunt for fugitives and search for evidence of underage drinking; researched the activities of activists on Facebook and LinkedIn; watched YouTube to identify riot suspects; searched the home of a social worker because of Twitter messages regarding police actions he sent during the G-20 summit; and used fake identities to trick Facebook users into accepting friend requests.

    So, how many intelligence assets are operating in a covert capacity on Facebook?

    Facebook’s most recent round of funding was led by a company called Greylock Venture Capital, who put in the sum of $27.5m. One of Greylock’s senior partners is called Howard Cox, another former chairman of the NVCA, who is also on the board of In-Q-Tel. What’s In-Q-Tel? Well, believe it or not (and check out their website), this is the venture-capital wing of the CIA. After 9/11, the US intelligence community became so excited by the possibilities of new technology and the innovations being made in the private sector, that in 1999 they set up their own venture capital fund, In-Q-Tel, which “identifies and partners with companies developing cutting-edge technologies to help deliver these solutions to the Central Intelligence Agency and the broader US Intelligence Community (IC) to further their missions”.””

I am of a generation prior to the “great impersonalization” of electronic media. Facebook, UTube, Texting, even emailing perhaps, seem to me to be a way to avoid personal contact and connecting in any real way with ones fellow human beings. Be that as it may.

I do think that, for an honorific such as “Man of the Year”, a better choice might have been made with a thought to humanitarian or political or social impact for the good of all.