Tillmans death was just another example of the panoply of lies our media and our military serve to us every day on a platter of our tax dollars.

That Pat’s death was more than an accident? You’re preaching to the crowd here.

That Pat would have become a public war protester? I say that’s part of the mythos the family wanted to dispel.

That Rumsfeld would have been paranoid about that? No doubt!

drbhelthi, November 21 at 1:25 am”
“A burst of three rounds to the forehead, within a three inch pattern, explains the motive of the event to persons with experience in the area.”

That “burst of three rounds”, as you appear to well know, is classic with the newer M4 (S-1-3) designation in that it keeps trigger happy yahoos from prematurely blowing off their whole ammunition wad in an undisciplined manner. The three round burst was put into the newer models to limit the muzzle climb when operating under full-auto, or S-1-F.

That “3 rounds” to the head, also,  was no doubt close up and intentional, since the spread of that tight group would have likely been much greater with any distance, and the fact that it was a forehead shot suggests that the shooter had to have seen the face of the man he was shooting at.

@Calabashe

Knowing the man would contribute to the impressions and opinions of him by his acquaintances.  My statements are based on the facts of his murder, the subsequent USARMY and political maneuvers related with the event, which are available without having had personal contact with him.  I am impressed by his patriotic behavior.

One’s guess might be considered educated if one actually knew the man. As I understand, Pat intended to return to the NFL.

@ Calabashe

Speculation is speculation, whether from others or from Calabashe.

A burst of three rounds to the forehead, within a three inch pattern, explains the motive of the event to persons with experience in the area.  In the past, spooks who committed such murders publicized “who dunnit” only after they became Whistle-Blowers, if ever.  http://www.whale.to/b/tatum.pdf

We noticed that the theatre-level, soldier puppets of the plot scape-goated their underling, a one-star general, while they received promotions.  The elected and appointed civilian component of the treasonous act became un-elected or went into quasi-hiding within the US, at the expense of American Tax-Payers.  Since the NFL is owned by these criminal-types, one does not expect the NFL leadership to join the OWS movement.

That Pat. “... was about to expose what was
going on over there for all to see ... ” is pure speculation.

As I understand he intended to return to the NFL, finish his Masters in History and raise babies with Marie. The NFL is very “A” political and would not have been amused if Pat became a public protester.

Right on Hammond Eggs!

This:

“The Tillman story is truly symbolic of how utterly and thoroughly rotten and
corrupt the United States government and military truly are.”

says it all, in a nutshell.  It was obvious from day one that Pat Tillman’s death
was no accident, but a cold-blooded murder at the hands of somebody on our
side who wanted him out of the way, because he was about to expose what was
going on over there for all to see, which would’ve been better, because we
might not be fighting a whole bunch of other stupid, illegal, useless and
wrongheaded wars right now if Pat Tillman had gotten the chance to expose the
truth.

Ah, yes. The “Junior” Bush oligarchy.

Newsmax reports that “Junior” is trying to run out in
front of the “Tea Party” entourage, in order to
shout, “Follow Me ! “

We would do well to send him back to Brownsville,
for continuation of the investigation of the 1984
murders and skinning of the “brothers & sisters” of
the cult he was a member of. He disappeared for
three days and could not remember what happened.
Right.
Meanwhile, a house full of murdered and skinned bodies
was discovered. Must have been a 3-day,
human-slaughterhouse event. Would take an exceptional
murderer to have done this alone - - !
Even in three days.

Having a 3-shot burst placed in a genuine Patriot´s
forehead would be nothing for such a derelict.

I wonder if “Junior” remembers the names of his flight
supervisors, who did not sign off on his required
efficiency checks, and who “died” before they could
give certification of non-flight status ???

Someone would do well to check out the “Bush
Library”, looking for lamps with shades made of
human skin, vogue among NAZIs, 1944-1950.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard
.php?az=view_all&address=364x2065897

A couple of weeks ago, I offered to his Mom, Mary, how surreal Hero Dude has become. It is so easy for those who want to admire Pat to often insert opinions, interpretations and perceptions that make good copy but have little to do with the man I was privileged to call friend.

Take the Krakauer book for example. If one never met Pat one might think it a literary masterpiece capturing the essence of a true hero. Yet if one actually knew or even met the man (Pat) one would see “Glory” for what it is: a shallow caricature that earned the author another (undeserved) best seller. The family does not endorse Krakauer’s fairytale.

BTW, Mr Schikel, Pat died as a Specialist. Corporal was awarded posthumously. A future career in politics? Where did that come from?

As I understand, the family was reluctant to participate in another possible fantasy like a glammed up epic with Max von Sydow walking on water. To Pat’s widow Marie’s credit, she convinced the family that if there wasn’t another attempt to tell the story it would fall into public domain. Such versions out there had Pat, on 9/11, smashing furniture and riding off on a fictitious Harley or with Pat Sr. leading the family in prayer.

To understand “The Tillman Story,” one must understand this is not a story about Pat. His unique ego would never allow that. It is a story about the deception and disrespect that seems to have been Army SOP.

Haven’t seen the film yet but indications are that this time around Marie scored a touchdown by going with Amir Bar-Lev. This seems to be the story Pat would want told in the way it should be told.

And while we are on the subject character assasssinations

I want to share this,  I plan to get the article and
send it TD, I haven’t read it yet, plan to this week, but
my ex-wife told me this.  She asked not to say anything
until I read the article, but I trust her , and will tell
what she read,
The article was about Mark Twain, and the newly published
work of his that is coming out this fall.
I was under the impression that this 1000 pages of
previously unpublished work was with Twain’s permission
after the 100th birthday of his death. Apparently, that
isn’t the case at all.  He gave them to his closest
confidant and said that he never, ever , wanted these
papers published.  So I guess what I am suppossed to
infer from this, is that the copywrites have expired and
his estate had no say so over this.
Does anyone know anything on this???

And Pat had (and brother) such a bad report card on

the WAR ON TERROR , that the family thought they would

use PAT’S good name in a postive manner for our country.

And thought they would get hold of Chomsky.

I know that have posted this before, but this seems like
the appropiate thread to post this little tribute I wrote
while watching the hearings,
  I hope that it gets to brother.  He came accross so well
and we need more like him and if Pat was anything like
like his brother, we had a gigantic loss to our country.

  PAT TILLMAN is still my HERO
  No matter how he DIED
  If it weren’t for these DAMNED resource WARS,
  today, he would still be ALIVE.

  They would like us to FORGET him,
  Like his story didn’t EXIST.
  But I will never FORGET him,
  and continue to RESIST ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Who knows,  I listened to the Waxman hearings when

they were live.  What I got out of Pat’s brother’s

testimony, was that their mother was somewhat of a

Pacifist and had asked her sons to join for the purpose

to check the integrity of the War on Terror..
I believe that the Tillman family, in order to get
some kind of closure, had to compromise somewhat with
the military because you don’t see all the same rhetoric.
I haven’t gone into the C-Span archives, but who knows,
much of those Waxman hearings may be edited by now.
I watched everybit of it live and I know what I heard.

Money is Funny,

If you ever really had a cause to believe in, which I doubt, you might have understood what Mike Friebel was getting at. I too had that same realization and within the same era, although I chose to bail at the first chance.

The military prides itself on discipline, efficiency, and integrity, except when you get out into the “real” trenches, those who initiate the myriad of stupid orders are just hoping the average grunt doesn’t wake up enough to save his own life before he unwittingly offers it to save one of David Rockefeller’s
investments.

I had joined because I had been convinced of the “Communist Threat”, but what I didn’t understand was why all those Vietnamese were so willing to join up to combat the spread of US imperialism. We reap what we sow, but the likes of Bush and Cheney hope to God you never figure that out.

As for Tillman, he joined admirably but then his conscience led him to the truth. If all of our guys over their had the brains that Tillman did, somewhere along the line, they’d figure out what was really happening and start refusing orders. I did in ‘71 and wound up with my CO eventually standing behind me.

Delete the word “would” and insert “is”

Hey,

When they come home let’s spit on them and call them murderers like we did last time. Let’s tell them that they are murderers and slap them in the face with a fish.

The whole world would point their finger at us for being lunatics and they would be right.

“He volunteered to go somewhere he, and many others did not belong, put himself in harms way and, just because he was a jock his “legacy” somehow lives on. What a bunch of crap. Sorry, but I question the intelligence and motives of all those who signed on for Bush’s mercenary rich wars.”

mrFreeze, keep in mind that Pat was relatively young and his worldview, values, and understanding of the Iraq War were almost certainly still developing. I speak from personal experience. I’m a veteran and service academy graduate and my doubt regarding the value of military service developed through a gradual process that spanned the age at which Pat died. Also keep in mind that what seems so clear to you will be less so or even unimaginable for others with differing experiences and knowledge, and/or who come from a different environment or developmental context. As for me, I was raised to believe, like many, that patriotism and military service were unequivocal goods. This was a given when I entered the military at 18. Not a question entered my mind for a long while. It took certain experiences, much learning and consideration, and quite some time for my skepticism to grow and my perspective to change to the point that I left the military despite being halfway to retirement and joined IVAW. In any case, we don’t really know Pat’s thoughts and intentions, or how they may have been changing, and he was obviously a very inquisitive & thoughtful person, so I would be hesitant to indict him as you do.

Also, Pat’s legacy doesn’t result from him being a jock. Rather, it arises from the drama and mystery of his death combined with the uniquely selfless decision he made that eventually led to it.

Here is more, from the Army Times.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/07/ap_tillman_070727/

Report: Tillman doc was suspicious of wounds

By Martha Mendoza - The Associated Press
Posted : Sunday Jul 29, 2007 10:17:47 EDT

SAN FRANCISCO — Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former professional football player’s death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

“The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

The doctors — whose names were blacked out — said the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.”

“It has been widely reported by AP and others that Spc. Bryan O’Neal, who was at Tillman’s side as he was killed, told investigators that Tillman was waving his arms shouting “Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat (expletive) Tillman, damn it!” again and again.”
——————————————

So Tillman was shouting “cease fire” many times, yet one Ranger, who has never been named or interviewed, carefully aimed and shot him four times from 10 yards away, with three shots to the forehead. Did anyone else interview the doctors? I doubt it, the Army report blacked out their names.

Witnesses? If anyone saw Tillman gunned down, they know to keep quiet, lest the suffer from an accident too.

What a review!

You would think the reviewer would have at least down a bit of research on the Tillman story before writing his review.  At least he could have picked up Mary Tillman’s book “Boots on the Ground by Dusk” (available at blurb.com with a new foreword)or Jon Krakauer’s “Where Men Win Glory” (paperback edition now out, about 50 more pages on McChrystal and the Army’s cover-up).

I couldn’t believe this guy’s speculating that Pat was setting himself up for a political career.  Pat Tillman was driven by a core of integrity.  He did wht he thought was right, regardless of the consequences.

The New York Times, on the other hand, just carrys water for the powers that be.  in “Lies Borne Out by Facts, If Not the Truth” I detail my personal encounter with the their pentagon reporter Thom Shanker who “exonerated” McChrystal of all wrong-doing.

...

In his “The Fog of War” interview with Jason Guerrasio, Amir Bar-Lev, the director of “The Tillman Story,” said:  “… there’s been no culpability on the second half of this tragedy, which is the higher ups trying to cover it up. … to borrow a football metaphor, they [the Tillman family] ran the ball 99 yards over four years time, they handed it off at the one-yard line to Congress and they fumbled it….”

Shortly after Sundance, Bar-Lev emailed me that “he was pretty hard on the Democratic Congress in his film.”  True, his film does portray Congressman Waxman’s Oversight Committee as ineptly failing to get answers from the top military leadership during their hearing.

However, Bar-Lev’s film missed the ”untold story” that both the Democratic Congress and the Obama Presidency have intentionally protected General Stanley McChrystal from scrutiny and punishment for his central role in the cover-up of Pat Tillman’s friendly-fire death.  This cover-up was a thoroughly bi-partisan affair.  It wasn’t just a case of the Bush administration and the Army stonewalling the Democratic Congress.  Congress didn’t just “fumble” the ball, they threw the game.

Five years ago, Pat Tillman’s family were handed a tarnished Silver Star. It was a travesty of justice that President Obama and the Senate promoted General McChrystal to the Army’s highest rank, and handed him his fourth star.

It’s not surprising that after their initial cover-up of Pat Tillman’s friendly-fire death fell apart, Army officers and the Bush administration lied to protect their careers.  But after they took control of both Houses of Congress in 2006, the Democrats (including Congressman Waxman, Senator Levin, Senator Webb, and Senator McCain) could have gone after those responsible.  Or at least not promoted them twice!

Just before the 2006 mid-term elections, Kevin Tillman published his eloquent letter, “After Pat’s Birthday”.  Kevin had hoped a Democratic Congress would bring accountability back to our country.  But, just as with warrantless wiretapping and torture, those responsible for the cover-up of his brother’s friendly-fire death have never been held accountable for their actions.

Last week, I posted “The [Untold] Tillman Story” – President Obama and the Bi-Partisan Congressional Whitewash of General Stanley McChrystal’s Cover-up of Pat Tillman’s Friendly-Fire Death,  at http://www.feralfirefighter.blogspot.com and scribd.com

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Carl,

Nice piece .......

Where did the “rumor” that Tillman was murdered come from? The Army doctors who examined his body reported that Tillman was shot at close range, one bullet at a time, and demanded an investigation. Their CO refused, so they risked their careers by going over his head and contacted a General back at Benning. These were combat experienced Army doctors who saw hundreds of bullet wounds over there.

The friendly fire claim was that a burst from an light machine gun killed Tillman. However, a machine gun jerks with every bullet fired, as does a man when hit. Where was Tillman hit? Three bullet holes neatly in the forehead quite close together, a perfect “grouping.”

As you know, many of our “elite” special forces are far right wing fanatics, and one may have viewed Tillman as a traitor who spoke his mind, opposed the war, hated Bush, and was about to embarrass the Army and the Rangers. It is not unreasonable that some nut shot Tillman at close range with an rifle, then tossed it aside before anyone else got there. Even if others knew, everyone would rally to cover this up, including the Generals.

So what happened to the doctor’s demand for an investigation? Nothing.

A similar scandal may soon blow up here in Las Vegas. Three cops gunned down a guy at Costco who had a pistol, who was a good citizen and a West Point grad. The police claim that he pointed a gun at them, yet they refuse to release the Costco security video to prove it. Like with Tillman, authorities just angrily insist that citizens must trust them, so shut up and do what your told. Challenging their integrity is unpatriotic, no matter what facts arise.

So all you “extremists” just forget about what you’ve just read. Move on, nothing to see here.

Some folk who blog to Truthdig are acquainted with
Rangers, other special forces, and perhaps additional
types. 

Regardless of ones experiences, he for whom it is
“totally unfathomable” that Pat Tillman was
assassinated, short-circuits ones insight and
comprehension.

One is a bit naive to even think that such an order
would dribble down the chain of command.

Professional soldiers know how to go about assasinating one of their own ranks.  It is extremeley rare in the Special Ops teams, as these men become extremely close.  Most common instances occur as a result of the hatred of a superior officer. 

If ordered from above, (something I have never heard about, rumors or otherwise) only the executioner would have the order, obviously, and would not do it in front of witnesses who might breakdown later.

Think about how hard it would be to pass that order down the chain of command to the common grunts in the field.  Especially ones who are as tight as brothers.  If you think that could happen, you understand nothing of the blood bonds these special forces types share. 

It would have been much easier to discredit Tillman and discharge him than taking the chance of conspiring to murder him.  Simply not worth the effort or the risk. 

It would never be done with a handgun, as these are personal, traceable weapons.  The favored weapon is a fragmentation grenade, preferably the enemy’s.

I read all these posts, and I can’t help thinking that the posters do not realize that the Rangers are among the best trained troops we have out there.  If Pat Tillman had to die, for some reason, which is really totally unfathomable, (after all, he wasn’t saying anything thousands of others weren’t saying, and you really overestimate his fame and political value) it would have been done in a much more professional manner, not with a handgun.

Well said Jimnp72.

No man who volunteers to pick up a weapon, travel to the other side of the world and kill people he’s never met and has no grievance with is no “hero.”

In sane circles they call those people murderers.

Jimnp72, yes heroism takes many forms, seeking to kill some poor smucks living in caves on the other side of the world doesn’t make me think hero as it does mercenary.

Truth Dig??  Richard Schickel’s review is worse than superficial.  It smears the authentic motivations of a heroic, if misguided, patriot.  It is unbelievably blind to the worse-than-Goebbels media manipulation of the desperate Bush administration, the-worse- than- cynical manipulation that used national television to pervert and distort the meaning of Tillman’s death.  This is the worst documentary film review [of a subject I know well] I have ever read.

Alive, in the spring of 2004, football hero turned post-9/11 warrior, Pat Tillman, was a serious threat to Bush’s precarious candidacy. Karl Rove’s big ears must have heard of Tillman’s antiwar evolution. He must have known he was supporting John Kerry and talking about campaigning against George Bush in the 2004 election. He must have heard about his proposed meeting with Noam Chomsky and that he was telling his fellow Rangers to vote against George Bush. Tillman was a political and policy threat with boots on the ground, who came to the conclusion that the war the US was fighting in Iraq was purposeless and illegal.  He was emerging as a famous, unusually articulate, well read jock with a serious political awareness.

Cold dead he could be used as a hot propaganda tool for Bush and his wars. Tillman was a super patriotic football hero who forfeited a $3 million pro football contract to join the Army Rangers to fight the perpetrators of 9/11.  If he could also be made into a war hero and a Jessica Lynch like story could be re-created for him,  he could be made into the poster boy he refused to be when he was alive.

There were suspicious, incriminating, postmortem aspects to Tillman’s death. After he died, his body armor disappeared the next day. His uniform was burned the second day. Perhaps most significantly, his careful diary disappeared, a diary that would have surely recorded his disappointments and opposition to the Iraq war and George Bush. The diary would have been an incriminating refutation of any Bush campaign mythmaking, capitalizing on his death and unique-football-hero-gone military warrior heroism.

According to his father, “The administration clearly was using this case for its own political reasons. This cover-up started within minutes of Pat’s death, and it started at high levels.”
” Just last year, McChrystal was still lying about Tillman’s case,” says Tillman’s mother, who remains furious the military and the Bush Administration used her family as props in a nationally televised Silver Star ceremony and funeral that military leaders, including McChrystal, and Bush Administration officials knew was a fraud:  “If the Army chain of command didn’t know what happened to Pat, why did it present us with a false story at the memorial service?” Tillman asked. “That is not an error; that is not a misstep; that is deliberate deception. McCain was at Pat’s service. He was read a false narrative like the rest of us. Where is his outrage? Did he know all along?”

Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he helped expedite the Silver Star award for Tillman before confirming that the Army corporal was killed by friendly fire in 2004.

McChrystal acknowledged the problem, calling it a mistake. He said the Silver Star citation was “not well-written” but denied any intent to mislead….
Mary Tillman said McChrystal knew at the memorial service that her son died from friendly fire.
“McChrystal was lying,” she said,  “He said he didn’t know for certain Pat was killed by fratricide. That isn’t true in and of itself, but the fact is, it doesn’t matter whether he knew it for certain.
Army protocol at the time required families to be told of possible fratricide, whether or not it had been confirmed,” ….

The supreme irony of all this today is that this disgraced chronic liar has just been appointed to a teaching post at Yale University.

yeah big square jawed jock macho man ready to go over and kill.
So weird the way some people frame heroic behavior
my heros labor tirelessly to help the poor and downtrodden, with little or no pay.
they vol in soup kitchens and organize neighborhood gardens and youth groups in
the inner city, often putting their lives at risk as well. they are rarely recognized or
thanked for all they do, nor do they boast and pose for photo ops.
they dont carry their heroism about so others can see, as the heroism is in what
they do.

In the congressional testimony, I believe Pat’s
brother inferred that their mother urged them both
to enlist because she was curious about the War on Terror.
I am sure that is what I heard.

  I believe Pat knew he was going to die that day.
thus the “I’m fucking Pat Tillman”.
Since they have lied and covered up,  I can believe
anything I want.
  I bet they had a gun on him from the time he woke
up that morning, told him we are driving to mountains
and guess what,  you’re it.
  He wasn’t the “hero” that they portrayed him to be
in the media.  He was questioning.  It was getting
embarassing to the government because of all the media
hype that they put into his enlistment. He had to go.

Tropicgirl,

Fratricide has been somewhat differentiated between friendly fire in that the
latter suggests it’s being unintentional. Technically, though, fratricide covers
both.

Case in point: “Fratricide” from Wiktionary
(murder) homicide
(murder of father) patricide
(murder of king) regicide
(military) friendly fire

Notice the intentionality for all uses of the term except for the military. 
Hmmm.
It’s as if whoever wrote this definition couldn’t fathom the possibility of
intentionally shooting one’s own troops. That last definition should have read:
(murder of fellow troops) as opposed to accidental ‘friendly fire’

I think “fratricide” is being used on purpose here.

Imagine believing the hype and going over there, as a respectable person, and
finding a drug-running operation, done by our guys and girls. Profits to world
entitles and banks.

I can’t imagine what he went through. No “friendly fire” though.

Camnai,

That’s the problem with the internet; sometimes it’s hard to tell when people might even be in the same camp.

Thanks for the explanation.

Tillman may or may not have been trying to inform others about what was really happening over there. If there is any truth to that, it would be enough for me to still see him as a hero. Even more so, if his death was fratricide, he still died by enemy fire, even though that enemy may not have been wearing a turban. Our enemies in Congress do the best they can to hide amongst the population, all the while condemning civilian Afghani and Palestinian terrorists of doing the same ...... the pot calling the kettle black.

I’m sorry, BR549, but what difference are we talking about? I was trying to say that
someone who does something heroic in order to spin a political career out of it is
still a hero, and wanting to be a politician is not necessarily a sign that you are an
evil person.

However, I will say that, while Tillman was undoubtedly brave, perhaps to be a
true ‘hero’ one must actually accomplish something, and he didn’t get a chance
to. His major accomplishment, sadly, came after his death when the White House
and Pentagon shot themselves in the feet trying to make him a hero.

And a number of politicians have put themselves in harm’s way before; John Kerry
comes to mind, and a fat lot of good that did him with that group of Americans
who so love to fetishize the military.

Canmai,

The difference here is that Tillman was willing to put himself in harm’s way.

Unlike our overabundance of armchair warrior politicians, Tillman would have
at least been walking his talk, although I’m not really convinced that he would
have had any political motivations at all. So what if he did? How many of our
warhawks had managed to collect one deferment after another, avoid showing
up for duty, or got special treatment while they were in captivity?

If Tillman had indeed ever made it into politics, I sense he would have been too
honest and forthright to survive the bullets from this side of the pond. In any
event, he will always be a hero.

I suspect some offence will be taken at the suggestion that Tillman may have
had an eventual political career in mind; it is of course wild speculation, and
will be seen as trying to besmirch the reputation of someone who did, for
whatever reason, give up millions of dollars to put his life on the line.

I would like to suggest to those who take umbrage, though, that politics is not
a completely dishonourable occupation, and an ambition to go into politics is
not on a par with, say, wishing to become a hedge-fund manager. I have
known a few politicians over the years and yes, they are a cynical and scheming
bunch, but politics does offer, sometimes, a chance to accomplish something
for the public good, and I submit it is the great difficulty of doing so within a
rather sclerotic political system that makes most politicians come across as
devious the way they do. A lot of people go into the trade with good
intentions.

While the coverup failed, those who covered up were never punished for it. None has been sanctioned, fired, demoted, forced to seek employement or made public fun of. Not really.

The military most appreciates those who can obscure the truth. They are the essential part of keeping the military from becoming the butt of derisive joking.

Our soldiers work hard and place their lives on the line for all of us. Their management not so much.

Please tell me this isn’t another part of the whitewash?

If Pat was even remotely interested in Chomsky, he would have been questioning our whole role over there, and knowing his personality, wouldn’t he have been attempting to find out if there were others over there who had the same feelings?

Using the term fratricide, here, in hopes that readers will somehow tone down their understanding of it being different from death from friendly fire is just a bait and switch maneuvre.

Schickel dropped the ball on this one; either that or he himself is part of the disinformation problem.

A Rumsfeld “happenstance” ?
His aspartame was no happenstance.
His tamiflu was no happenstance.
His sodium fluoride was no happenstance.
The only happenstance with him is his family background. To which he has adhered.

Three rounds fired from an automatic weapon at close range, into the head = assassination. Maybe some day, his compatriots on the scene will be able to reveal accuracy, at least furtively, without being identified.

That is, if they haven´t also received three rounds to the head. Or; haven´t been subsequently assisted to deplane a chopper while in flight.

“I question the intelligence and motives of all those who signed on for Bush’s mercenary rich wars”

Lot’s of questions there.

The man himself as I understand was questioning the IQ’s blah blah etc. etc. who planned and orchestrated these rich wars etc. etc.

Mr. genius.

I hate to state an obvious but much under reported fact about Tillman: Most Americans
don’t care about his participation and death in the war. He volunteered to go
somewhere he, and many others did not belong, put himself in harms way and, just
because he was a jock his “legacy” somehow lives on. What a bunch of crap.

Sorry, but I question the intelligence and motives of all those who signed on for Bush’s
mercenary rich wars. The fact that there are those still trying to get traction out of
Tillman proves just how desperate we are to justify our folly in Iraq.

He is a good man in an awful situation which is typical here in the USA for reasons that we will never fully understand.

His participation in the thriving industry of sports was rejected with much appreciation.

Such a legend makes me sad some times.

His story exposed what is happening every day ‘over there’.

The U.S. Military has turned into mercenary organization since the draft.  I feel if the draft were reinstated, much of this overseas intervention would stop.

Some people just reek hero.

The Tillman story is truly symbolic of how utterly and thoroughly rotten and corrupt the United States government and military truly are.

The only thing that is a myth here is THIS story. HOW DARE YOU? The parents
don’t even believe this bullshit and neither do most people.

We remember, Pat. And we will not forget. And you can shove this story where it
belongs.