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Oliver Stone Responds to New York Times Attack

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Posted on Jun 28, 2010
Jose Ibanez / "South of the Border"

Editor’s note: For more from Oliver Stone about his new documentary and clips from “South of the Border,” click here.

The following letter was sent to The New York Times:

Larry Rohter attacks our film, “South of the Border,” for “mistakes, misstatements and missing details.” But a close examination of the details reveals that the mistakes, misstatements, and missing details are his own, and that the film is factually accurate. We will document this for each one of his attacks. We then show that there is evidence of animus and conflict of interest, in his attempt to discredit the film. Finally, we ask that you consider the many factual errors in Rohter’s attacks, outlined below, and the pervasive evidence of animus and conflict of interest in his attempt to discredit the film; and we ask that The New York Times publish a full correction for these numerous mistakes.

1) Accusing the film of “misinformation,” Rohter writes that “A flight from Caracas to La Paz, Bolivia, flies mostly over the Amazon, not the Andes….” But the narration does not say that the flight is “mostly” over the Andes, just that it flies over the Andes, which is true. (Source: Google Earth)

2) Also in the category of “misinformation,” Rohter writes “the United States does not ‘import more oil from Venezuela than any other OPEC nation,’ a distinction that has belonged to Saudi Arabia during the period 2004-10.”

The quote cited by Rohter here was spoken in the film by an oil industry analyst, Phil Flynn, who appears for about 30 seconds in a clip from U.S. broadcast TV. It turns out that Rohter is mistaken, and Flynn is correct.  Flynn is speaking in April 2002 (which is clear in the film), so it is wrong for Rohter to cite data from 2004-2010. If we look at data from 1997-2001, which is the relevant data for Flynn’s comment, Flynn is correct. Venezuela leads all OPEC countries, including Saudi Arabia, for oil imports in the U.S. over this period. (Source: US Energy Information Agency for Venezuela, http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMUSVE2&f=A, and Saudi Arabia,  http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMUSSA2&f=A)

3) Rohter tries to discredit the film’s very brief description of the 1998 Venezuelan presidential race:

“As ‘South of the Border’ portrays it, Mr. Chávez’s main opponent in his initial run for president in 1998 was “a 6-foot-1-inch blond former Miss Universe” named Irene Sáez, and thus “the contest becomes known as the Beauty and the Beast” election.

“But Mr. Chávez’s main opponent then was not Ms. Sáez, who finished third, with less than 3 percent of the vote. It was Henrique Salas Romer, a bland former state governor who won 40 percent of the vote.”

Rohter’s criticism is misleading. The description of the presidential race in the film, cited by Rohter, is from Bart Jones, who was covering Venezuela for the Associated Press from Caracas at the time. The description is accurate, despite the final results. For most of the race, which began in 1997, Irene Sáez was indeed Chavez’s main opponent, and the contest was reported as “Beauty and the Beast.” In the six months before the election, she began to fade and Salas Romer picked up support; his 40 percent showing was largely the result of a late decision of both COPEI and AD (the two biggest political parties in Venezuela at the time, who had ruled the country for four decades) to throw their support behind him. (See, for example, this 2008 article from BBC, which describes the race as in the film, and does not even mention Salas Romer: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7767417.stm.)

Rohter’s description makes it seem like Saéz was a minor candidate, which is absurd.

4) Rohter tries to frame the film’s treatment of the 2002 coup in Venezuela as a “conspiracy theory.”  He writes:

“Like Mr. Stone’s take on the Kennedy assassination, this section of ‘South of the Border’ hinges on the identity of a sniper or snipers who may or may not have been part of a larger conspiracy.”

This description of the film is completely false. The film makes no statement on the identity of the snipers nor does it present any theory of a “larger conspiracy” with any snipers. Rather, the film makes two points about the coup: (1) That the Venezuelan media (and this was repeated by U.S. and other international media) manipulated film footage to make it look as if a group of Chavez supporters with guns had shot the 19 people killed on the day of the coup. This manipulation of the film footage is demonstrated very clearly in the film, and therefore does not “[rely] heavily on the account of Gregory Wilpert” as Rohter also falsely alleges. The footage speaks for itself. (2) The United States government was involved in the coup (see http://southoftheborderdoc.com/2002-venezuela-coup/ and below).

Ironically, it is Rohter that relies on conspiracy theories, citing one dubious account in particular that he argues we should have included in the film.

5) Rohter accuses us of “bend[ing] facts and omit[ting] information” on Argentina, for allowing “Mr. Kirchner and his successor — and wife — Cristina Fernández de Kirchner to claim that “we began a different policy than before.”

“In reality, Mr. Kirchner’s presidential predecessor, Eduardo Duhalde, and Mr. Duhalde’s finance minister, Roberto Lavagna, were the architects of that policy shift and the subsequent economic recovery, which began while Mr. Kirchner was still the obscure governor of a small province in Patagonia.”

This criticism is somewhat obscure and perhaps ridiculous. The Kirchners were in the presidency for five out of the six years of Argentina’s remarkable economic recovery, in which the economy grew by 63 percent. Some of the policies that allowed for that recovery began in 2002, and others began in 2003, and even later. What exactly are the “bent facts” and “omitted information” here?

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By diamond, June 28, 2010 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

When is Oliver Stone going to learn the lesson? All he has to do to get on with the NYT is lie, baby, lie. Like all their journalists do. The ‘one-sided presentation’ has become an art form in the hands of this formerly great paper which is now not even fit for toilet paper. Oliver Stone is an artist and they have an unfortunate habit of telling the truth. You know like Picasso did when he painted ‘Guernica’. There’s a priceless story about that painting: it seems when a Nazi office saw it he said to Picasso ‘Who did this?’ and Picasso said, ‘You did’.

I can’t see the point of writing or filming or painting anything if you don’t tell the truth but I suppose that just means I’m not part of the new ‘the truth is what we say it is’ reality of the neo cons. Well, screw them.

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By Larry Ball, June 28, 2010 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment
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Truth?  Why would Oliver Stone lie?  The Times has much money bet on staying viable to take whatever position keeps their franchise worth anything.  Oliver has enough.  No advantage to him where the chips fall.

Follow the money.  Fox hates Chavez.  Isn’t that proof enough about which point of view carries more credence, clear water?

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By samosamo, June 28, 2010 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

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Any country that excludes american military bases and uncle
milton turdfuck friedman’s ‘unfettered free market capitalism’ is
way ahead of the game and as noted from those south american
countries run in with these american ‘exports’ to each country,
there seems to be little doubt of these countries wanting any of
the such back in to infect their countries.

READ NAOMI KLEIN’S ‘The Sock Doctrine’. Those countries did
not have to read it, it was forced on them and every single one
of them that were forced, crashed economically. And I find them
all of the highest integrity by refusing to allow that to happen
again and it absolutely makes the u.s.a. the perpetrator of a very
bad and sick joke that has NO HUMOUR.

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By WriterOnTheStorm, June 28, 2010 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

At this late date, only the most stubbornly uninformed among us could believe
that the NYT is anything but a mouthpiece for elite interests. The “newspaper of
record” is more like a record of official prevarication and institutionalized
misinformation. Indeed it is little more than a clearing house for the curated
opinion of Wall St oligarchs and Potomac power brokers.

So don’t worry, Oliver, the rag of record’s attack on your film is a badge of honor.
If anything, it speaks for the picture’s credibility.

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By kerryrose, June 28, 2010 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

I read Naomi Klein’s “The Shock Doctrine’ about the US undermining democratically elected South American presidents to install fascist leaders who were more corporate friendly.

These interferences were not exposed by corporation like The New York Times, but toadyed and supported by them.

By the way, The Times dismantled it’s in-house union press gang, and outsources it’s production to India.

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By ardee, June 28, 2010 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

The responses to this article are rather informative. Two factual and worthy criticisms of the"free press” and one slam of everything Chavez from the usual source of such.

We here in the belly of the beast cannot help but notice how hard the govt and its stooges in the media work to discredit Hugo Chavez Frias and all he accomplishes. Never mind that Chavez wins elections in landslides, never mind that those elections have been scrutinized and found honest, never mind that Chavez has worked to raise up the poorest in his nation, and, for that matter, the poor elsewhere as well.

I would remind Sr. Ortiz that it was Chavez who offered heating oil at cost to the poorest residents of NYC, not our own govt., or his employers, the oil executives, who want Chavez out of the way so they can get their manicured fingers on all that money.

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By Aaron Ortiz, June 28, 2010 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

I don’t believe either side yet I read both.  I respect those who can see both sides
of the issue and have the ethic to leave judgement to the readers instead of using
journalism to further their own beliefs.

Both sides fail very blatantly, and deliberately.

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By Samson, June 28, 2010 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

see a website called Narconews.com to get a long history of very misleading reporting that the NYT has done from Latin America.  They’ve had numerous stories there stretching back a decade on what the NYT has gotten very wrong, as in 180 degrees wrong, in their reporting.

The NYT is about the last organization on earth that should be criticizing factual faults in work south of the border.

Frankly, the main question should be, why the heck is anyone reading the NY Times?

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By FRTothus, June 28, 2010 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

What is even sadder, Aaron, is those who believe what the corporate media tells them they believe.

“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
(Thomas Jefferson)

“The biggest political joke in America is that we have a liberal press. It’s a joke taken seriously by a surprisingly large number of people… The myth of the liberal press has served as a political weapon for conservative and right-wing forces eager to discourage critical coverage of government and corporate power ... Americans now have the worst of both worlds: a press that, at best, parrots the pronouncements of the powerful and, at worst, encourages people to be stupid with pseudo-news that illuminates nothing but the bottom line.”
(Mark Hertzgaard)

“We’re not in the business of providing news and information, We’re simply in the business of selling our customers’ products.”
(Clear Channel CEO Lowry Mays)

“The media want to maintain their intimate relation to state power. They want to get leaks, they want to get invited to the press conferences. They want to rub shoulders with the Secretary of State, all that kind of business. To do that, you’ve got to play the game, and playing the game means telling their lies, serving as their disinformation apparatus.”
(Noam Chomsky)

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By Aaron Ortiz, June 28, 2010 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

It’s sad to see this site defend Stone’s one-sided presentation of a very flawed
man.

Instead of discussing factual accuracy, this article should be discussing whether it
presents both sides of the story in a clear, unbiased manner.

I don’t have to watch it to know whether it does; I only need to see Chavez’s own
response to it: applause.

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