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NBC Opens Its Wallet to Get O’Brien Off ‘Tonight Show’Posted on Jan 15, 2010
If you think things get nasty in the world of electoral politics, consider all the fun that’s gone down in recent days in late-night comedy circles, what with the sticky tangle that NBC execs got themselves into after handling the highly charged Jay Leno-vs.-Conan O’Brien “Tonight Show” debacle with all the delicacy and subtlety of a jackhammer. Thankfully, it looks like this inglorious chapter of TV history is just about closed, according to The Wrap’s Sharon Waxman, who reported Friday about an apparent deal in the works between O’Brien and the Peacock Network. For more background about the “Tonight Show” saga, click here. —KA
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By doctoroger, January 21, 2010 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment
Jay Leno is a pathetic former beauty queen who, heavily made up and spilling out of an old gown, teetering on old high heels enters the ballroom oblivious to the toll of the years and the laughter of the audience who recognizes mutton trying to pass for lamb. His refusal to take the money and disappear is all too reminiscent of how he got the job in the first place when Johnny retired: he was a sneak!! And now he’s doing it again. I have always found him a useful alternative to laxatives—if I happen to turn him on I immediately go “uggghhh” and relieve myself. Letterman is so much more inventive and risk-taking and now with Craig Ferguson on CBS, the game is over. This man is erudite, audacious and a joy to watch plus his interviews of the stars-de-jour make all look wonderful. Mr. Zucker et.al.—have you ever watched CBS late night? You could learn a lot!!!
Report thisBy Blackspeare, January 21, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment
Pop culture is very important! Why even Obama changed the date of his State of the Union address so that it wouldn’t pre-empt “LOST”——that’s how important pop culture is!!!
Report thisBy seashore, January 21, 2010 at 7:46 am Link to this comment
How unimportant this all is. I hope both Conan and Leno donate a few million dollars to Haiti.
Report thisBy Blackspeare, January 20, 2010 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment
ThatDeborahGirl…
You sound like a Conanhead! You may or not be right, but what caused Conan’s poor ratings is immaterial. NBC has no choice but try to resurrect it’s 11:35-12:35 dominance with Leno. Once CBS moves Ferguson into Letterman’s time slot——it’s all over for the rest of them.
Report thisBy a bald man, January 20, 2010 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment
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er… too much television is exactly what is wrong with American culture. so why not cancel the damned tonight show and let us either go to bed early, read a book, or hang out with our friends and family discussing things? why do we care about people that make MILLIONS of dollars? Why are we so desperate to be entertained?
Report thisBy ThatDeborahGirl, January 20, 2010 at 6:14 am Link to this comment
Maani & Blackspear really need to get a clue. That Conan’s numbers were down was mainly due to Leno. Ask all the local affiliates who were ready to pull Leno’s show because it was a sucky lead in to the 11 pm news.
What Leno did would be the equivalent of Bob Barker saying he’s going to retire, leaving Drew Carey with “The Price is Right” and then, instead of Wayne Brady hosting the new version of “Let’s Make a Deal” Bob Barker decides to do it again and at 10 am right before Drew Carey is on.
Uh, duh….I love Drew but I’ve been watching Bob Barker since I was four years old? Who do you think I’m going to watch. Drew is like my endearing, but annoying older brother, Bob is the rich uncle I wanted and never had.
Leno went back on his word. Leno is not funny. Leno usurped on Conan’s brand new territory and NEVER gave him a chance. Leno bombed terribly after Carson retired and it took an entire retooling of the show and TWO YEARS to get him back to a point where people could stomach him.
Leno is the past. Conan is the future. When people show up in the rain for you for no other reason than they love you….seriously…do you see anyone clamoring for Leno’s return like that? No. And the whiny people who do support Leno can only point to Conan’s low ratings without looking at the larger picture and pointing the finger of blame, squarely where it belongs…at Jay Leno.
By the way - What is up with TruthDig lately? I swear…this place gets more and more right wingish every day….an article on what Massachusetts got “right”? Geesh…..
Report thisBy Blackspeare, January 19, 2010 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment
Maani——you’re absolutely correct——Conan’s rating were way down and once you lose an audience to another competitor for too long a time it’s hard to get them back. NBC just wants to cut their loses hoping Leno can rejuvenate the Tonight Show.
Report thisBy JohnMcD, January 19, 2010 at 8:26 am Link to this comment
Yea RLE, Leno SHOULD be ashamed at himself, but he hasn’t shown the slightest hint of that. Luckily, I don’t watch the late night talk shows but I would occasionally switch over to catch an O’Brien monologue or sketch. Hopefully, NBC pays him well and he takes [adultswim] up on their (humorous) offer. The money wouldn’t be as good, but he could focus on the comedy!
Report thisBy Maani, January 18, 2010 at 10:24 am Link to this comment
An interesting take:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/business/media/18carr.html?sq=conan&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=print
Peace.
Report thisBy Sean, January 17, 2010 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment
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1) STOP blaming Leno for NBC scew-ups.
2) O’Brein never won his time slot. Ratings rule. Anyone who tells you different
is missing the point.
3) Even with all the hub-bub lately with NBC/O’Brein/Leno, The Tonight Show is
still losing out to Letterman.
4) NBC show NEVER have allowed Leno to duplicate The Tonight Show.
5) Lead-ins are an excuse. Plain & simple. If you follow the logic that lead-in
are the only reason a show does well, then how do you explain ANY of the top
rated show in TV history, all of which were moved around, of their success. And
if you’re gonna blame lead-ins then blame your local news.
6) Leno has only defended himself of what has been told in the media or the
slander in various posts.
7) If Leno walked away, said no to re-hosting The Tonight Show, CONAN
WOULD STILL BE OUT OF A JOB. Then who would Team Conan blame then?
8) Conan should take his money, go to Fox, and come back in the Fall with a
weekly variety show where he can showcase his stand-up, do sketch-comedy,
bring in musical talent, and blow any show against him out of the water.
9) It’s easy to blame Leno in this situation because he’s the one who left at the
top of the rating time-slot FOR 16 YEARS, and now he’s being offered stupid
money to return.
10) For all those who supported Conan on late night, where were you when he
Report thiswent to The Tonight Show? Really, where have you been? Start blaming the
right people: NBC and Conan (remember he had 6 years to think “of ideas to
expand the Tonight Show, and what does he have to show for it; poor ratings.
And don’t tell me he needed more time. If his show was an hour-long drama or
a sit-com he would have been canceled 3 weeks in).
By ThatDeborahGirl, January 17, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment
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Well for one, TV is important. What we watch, and why, does have political significance as well as being mere pop culture fodder.
I, for one, cannot forgive Leno his uncompromising, chin-wagging, cheerleading of the Bush Administration. That Leno is a staunch conservative is part & parcel at the bottom of this whole mess, especially in the age we live in, of media suppression and extreme right-wing views being presented as “centrist”.
But let’s not forget, there’s a certain principle involved here. Conan worked his ass off at NBC for years. He started at the bottom, being shown in the middle of the night, (as Letterman says, having a show at 1am is nearly having no show at all.) yet Conan parlayed that into getting one of the biggest gigs in the industry. No one, short of the anchor shake-ups on all three network evening news shows and Drew Carey getting “The Price is Right”, has had to step into such big shoes and the annals of media history.
That so many have joined “Team Coco” is indicative of American’s sense of fair play. The sense of outrage we feel is a sharp reminder that what has happened to Conan has happened to so many of us. We work hard, do our best, give an honest days work - go above and beyond the call of duty and pour our hearts and souls into “the company” - only to be told at the end of the day that some arbitrary loophole has us out of a job.
The whim of shareholders or “Bright-Sided” mystic practicing CEO’s? The Circuit City way of firing those who make the most or those they could make the biggest example of? It takes Barbara Ehrenreich to tell that story best.
As for not crying for Conan - the one who’s feeling least sorry for Conan is…well - Conan. He said in his letter to the People of Earth:
“...I’ve been getting a lot of sympathy calls, and I want to start by making it clear that no one should waste a second feeling sorry for me. For 17 years, I’ve been getting paid to do what I love most and, in a world with real problems, I’ve been absurdly lucky. “
So Conan’s not hurting financially. But money, is not everything or he would have quit long ago. Seriously, at this stage in the game, do you think Letterman’s still in it for the money? Do we really think Leno is doing this because he’s cash poor? The upkeep on all those cars is finally getting to him? I think not.
What I do think is that Leno must really know where the bodies are buried at NBC because nothing Conan has or hasn’t done merits what’s been done to him. That Leno has been rewarded for this fiasco by NBC pushing Conan out and being given back his old spot is a sad commentary on getting and staying in a job in this country. It’s playing out publicly on a large stage what America has already come to know: that talent, hard work and paying ones dues aren’t enough to make it anymore.
All we can depend on is luck.
Good luck.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, January 17, 2010 at 6:58 am Link to this comment
Maani:
I’m not crying for Conan O’Brien. His buyout is $30 million…if they bought ME out for that I’d retire the day the check cleared!
Notwithstanding NBC’s recent history of bad business decisions, you STILL haven’t answered my point: If the TS ratings are lower for O’Brien than they were for Leno, then this is a business decision.
BTW, I gave up on those shows decades ago. Who wants to watch an actor or actress sound like a dim-wit while hawking their latest movie? If I can make it through the monologue, that’s an accomplishment—and they re-run it the next morning anyway on the morning news shows!
So I’m disinterested. I have no particular affection for any of them, except when Letterman got into politics about McCain and Palin.
Report thisBy Maani, January 16, 2010 at 11:06 pm Link to this comment
ITW:
I think you miss the point. O’Brien’s ratings on his own show were huge. This is why NBC chose him to replace Leno - believing that O’Brien’s audience would follow him (which they did), and that a large portion of The Tonight Show audience were loyal to the TS, and not just to Leno. However, as RLE points out, the second assumption was wrong.
In fact, NBC was clearly and deliberately hedging its bets: on the one hand, it hoped that a large potion of the TS audience would remain loyal to the “brand” rather than the person (Leno), while on the other hand they hoped that a large portion of the TS audience would follow Leno to the (untried, untested) 10pm slot so they didn’t end up with egg on their face (which is exactly what happened). So, in fact, they deliberately put O’Brien in a no-win position - and now they want to cry “foul” over it. How obnoxious.
Peace.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, January 16, 2010 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment
Um, why DID NBC hire O’Brien in the first place?
If his ratings on the Tonight Show suck, where’s the wrong in firing him?
Report thisBy Maani, January 16, 2010 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
To add to RLE’s comments, isn’t it funny (not!) how, all of a sudden - THREE DAYS after this situation became public - NBC started blaming the whole thing on…Conan? I.e., that the “reason they are doing this” is because viewership figures for The Tonight Show dropped when Conan took over?
But as RLE tacitly notes, how could it be otherwise when Leno took much of the audience with him?
The fact that NBC is using a “technicality” in order to force Conan off (i.e., that his contract does not state “absolutely” what time The Tonight Show will air) says it all.
Leno has acted like an arrogant jerk and NBC has all but destroyed The Tonight Show name, while Conan has maintained a quality of character rarely seen in TV personalities these days.
My advice to Conan? Take the $30 million (or whatever NBC offers to buy out your contract) and forget about going to Fox (Yikes!). Take the money and live a good life - you deserve it!
Peace.
Report thisBy Seattle, January 16, 2010 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment
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sycophant |?sik?f?nt; -?fant|
noun
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone in order to gain advantage; a
servile flatterer.
RLE makes an interesting point. Jay’s value to NBC might be in his obsequious
Report thischaracter. I was pleased with Conan writing in defense of Carson’s legacy with the
Tonight show. NBC’s Walmarting of their entertainment product by getting Jay to
grab the 10 o’clock slot really hurt their value as a network. I’d like to see Conan
go to Comedy Central. Why is it assumed he would need to go to FOX? He should
go where he can be the most creative.
By What, January 16, 2010 at 3:56 am Link to this comment
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It just television, who give a rats ass. Why is this on truth dig
Report thisBy rollzone, January 16, 2010 at 12:45 am Link to this comment
hello. i had the money, and my computer prematurely sperm-ed it all over the blogosphere.
Report thisI wanted to be the host of the Tonight Show. it is all i ever dreamed of. my timing on the monologue is perfect. i have hometown charm and charisma, with undertones of sophistication. I can work with a real straight man, and not a musical stand-in (whom i would use for vacations, and when people are vomiting). i would love working with bosomy bimbos on skits, and cut off my Slausen! I could do odd stunts, and pet cute animals. I can interview and promote in the same sentence. i can tell you what has been sitting all afternoon on the stoop in a mayonaise jar. I always knew that if I give someone the nod to come over after their performance on the show -they would be a made star. i belong in that chair. I grew up wanting to be the host of the Tonight Show ALL of MY LIFE. [did NBC buy any of this yet?] thas a whole lotta lettuce. heeeeers thinking of you Johnny! God i miss his work.
By RLE, January 16, 2010 at 12:35 am Link to this comment
Jay Leno should be ashamed of himself , when he decided to take the 10pm time
Report thisslot he doomed Conan and thousands of members of the entertainment industry.
Jay in his greed shut down equivalent of 5 one hour dramas. In addition doomed
Conan by poaching the Tonight show audience.
I for one , once Jay Leno fan will not be watching anything he is on .
Jay you are an ASS
Johnny is rolling over in his grave.