Hey.. the movie Fahrenheit 911 has unlimited potential.. if it were shown on network TV instead of say NCIS or Two and a Half Men or even the slasher films on Chiller! .. there could very well be a real revolution in our country.. At the very least fewer Americans would be in any way concerned over the supposed
attempted assassination of some Saudi official.. From the pictures of that guy I personally don’t know how he’s lived so long anyway!

Moore has frequently apologized for blindly supporting the Democrats and Obama specifically.. if he still has hope for that shyster or other Demo-crooks then he’s no worse than a few million other adult Americans… and none of them have made such a contribution as Moore.

My point was and is only that if TD pundits can go after that clod Christie over his weight problem.. why not Moore? For his own health and well-being if for no other reason.

Adios!

...own his movies and watch them too! same here - very entertaining

but, during the Obomber campaign, not one of those Left Gatekeepers (including Moore, of course)
showed the guts to call him on his proposal to bomb Pakistan and now, not one of them shows the
guts to call him on bombing Libya, in particular the continued bombing of the 100,000 civilians of
Sirte (simply fighting to defend their city from invasion) - R2P is, and has been since day 1, a full-on
reign of terror - as of October 13, 2011: 25,638 NATO Sorties, 9,504 Air Combat Missions

NATO is bombing Sirte into something to rival Guernica - and, even among the 99% occupiers, how
much anti-war sentiment is heard? precious little - the deafening silence of the Left Gatekeepers
belies their complicity in covering up NATO’s war crimes

just watch this movement get hi-jacked by foundation-funded, Left/Lib Gatekeepers and
channeled into Obomber’s re-election movement - just watch

I’m a huge Moore fan.. own his movies and watch them too! He’s not perfect. Who is? we don’t need another religion anyway..

On the subject.. Here’s a question.. why won’t Robinson et-al attack Michael Moore on his obvious obesity problem?

And just ‘cause he isn’t contemplating public office ain’t an answer.

Adios!

Diana,
What we need, first and foremost, is for diehard Democratic voters to apologize to Ralph Nader and concede that the Democratic Party is every bit as committed to furthering imperial interests as the Republican Party is.

We need people to renounce “lesser evilism” at the ballot box once and for all, and rally around a left candidate and party no matter what the electoral outcome.

That is the very first thing that needs to happen.

Gore/Kerry/Obama enthusiasts have erred and they have sinned. They need to proclaim loudly that they will sin no more!

I’m afraid the time has past for Ralph Nader - Americans didn’t appreciate all he did for them anyway - he was the only real ‘left’ in America and Americans rejected him and went for the old Tweedledee or Tweedledum. Guess who is to blame then - you had your chance!

Moore on the scene - I heard one report that when he took that spotlight a
collective groan was heard - why? probably because by now so many realize the
‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ is a limited hangout - not unlike Goodman, Chomskey,
Cockburn, Greenwald, Rothstein, et al - limited hangouts on the 9/11 mime -
lynchpin to the global war of terror

so where’s the Left/Lib/Prog anti-war movement now? dead behind the wave of
phony ‘hope and change’ - lately even deader, behind none willing to show the
guts to challenge NATO propaganda, allowing for legitimizing the wholesale
bombing of Libya, in particular Sirte, soon to rival Guernica as one of history’s
most tragic touchstones to waring imperialist enterprise - where are the
Left/Lib/Prog voices of outrage?

@Diana: “Do you vote for Romney (the reluctant choice of the Republicans) or do you merely keep talking and do nothing?  What are the choices?”

Yeah, not a great situation.  However, I have a hypothesis to offer.  Just like Obama is not the progressive that he claimed to be, I think the Romney is not the conservative that he now claims to be.  When he was governor of Massachusetts, he was a pretty reasonable guy.  I think he is pandering to the conservative block to get elected now.

What would he be like, as POTUS?  I don’t know.  Maybe not as conservative as Diana fears.  Or maybe all of the Wall Street influence corrupts absolutely, and he’d end up being Mr. Wall Street.  That would suck.  I just don’t know if it would suck as much as now. 

Wouldn’t that be wild, if Romney turned out to be more moderate than Obama?  Thoughts?

Ralph Nader was never the spoiler, the Dem’s candidate was the spoiler in your elections. I guess it’s too hard to put people’s head around that but if enough abandoned the Dems and went to Ralph you would have had a better more Scandinavian-model type of government where there’s regulations and higher taxes and ‘socialist’ medicare for all as well as an excellent quality of life for the average person (and it works as they are in a better position than the U.S.)Unfettered capitalism only works for a few.

“Obama has not delivered on his promise to change things, but it is pretty tough to try to work with people who have one objective - that is to defeat him.”

There is no evidence whatsoever that Obama has tried to push the country in even a slightly more progressive direction.

Remember, it was Obama who appointed a conservative cabinet and conservative advisers (Geithner, Summers, Gates, etc.).

It was Obama who had conservative Max Baucus preside over healthcare in the Senate, and Obama who signed a bill without a public option.

It was Obama who escalated the war in Afghanistan and waged conflicts in Pakistan, Yemen, and Libya.

It was Obama who wanted to bail out the auto companies, banks, and insurance firms.

It was Obama who turned his back on old friends like Jeremiah Wright and Cornel West.

It was Obama who proposed cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

The notion that this is some leftward-leaning man who has been stymied by a bunch of right-wing meanies is utter nonsense. Obama has not fought for a single progressive cause. He’s as conservative as most Republicans.

“...if the Republicans win the next election, you may find Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid - some of the few “safety nets” completely dismantled.”

Actually, those programs would likely be in SAFER hands under a Republican administration because Democrats everywhere would revolt if some proposal were put forward to cut them. Bush tried to privatize Social Security, but his plan was scuttled after people cried foul.

Obama recently said cuts in SS and Medicare will have to be on the table during future deficit-reduction talks, and what did Democrats around the country say or do? Absolutely nothing!

“Obama has been disappointing, however, the alternative party is worse!”

There’s not a lick of evidence to support the statement above.

On what major issue has Obama been discernibly different than George W. Bush?

-Bailout of megacorporations? Nope.
-Closing Guantanamo Bay? Nope.
-Lavish sums of money to Israel? Nope.
-Pentagon spending? Nope.
-Halting wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere? Nope.

I can only think of one issue where Obama has diverged from the Bush agenda: healthcare. In fact, Obama turned out to be to the RIGHT of Bush on the issue, because at least Bush didn’t sign a bill into law which forces every American to buy junk insurance policies.

It’s this tired, lame old thinking that the Democrats are “better” than the Republicans that is really retarding progress in this country. The 2 parties are identical twins, and both need to be repudiated.

Try to remember that Moore pestered Ralph Nader to get out of the presidential race a few years back so that the Democrats (you know, the ones who enabled Wall Street and the rich with their bailouts, favourable tax breaks and deregulation) could win. Now that you’re feeling the effects of Democrat rule, don’t you wish Ralph was in the game? He was the only viable alternative but people thought they were too good for him. Moore is a soft liberal - like Obama he speaks a good left-wing agenda, but as soon as he comes to power ... whereas Ralph has a stellar track record of caring about the average person.