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Justin Bieber Likes Health Care Too Much to Become ‘Evil’ American

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Posted on Feb 17, 2011
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Justin Bieber isn’t just a pop sensation, he’s a Canadian pop sensation, which means his health care costs are covered. The 16-year-old tells Rolling Stone why he never wants to be an American citizen:

“You guys are evil,” he jokes. “Canada’s the best country in the world.” He adds, “We go to the doctor and we don’t need to worry about paying him, but here, your whole life, you’re broke because of medical bills. My bodyguard’s baby was premature, and now he has to pay for it. In Canada, if your baby’s premature, he stays in the hospital as long as he needs to, and then you go home.”

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By MarthaA, February 19, 2011 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, February 19 at 2:59 pm,


Raylan said:  “the conservative elite capitalists have been socialist for 40 years at least.”
Huh???

MarthaA’s Answer:  The conservative elite capitalist class and culture and the Conservative Middle Class and Culture are socialist within their own classes and cultures as a means of controlling the 70% Majority Common Population, but as we see in Wisconsin, the common populace has caught on to the power of the common populace from what has happened with the Egypt Common Populace Movement.

The masses of the public at large are becoming aware of their power as the American Common Populace, which denotes no insignificance whatsoever individually, only a class and culture that needs to be realized in the United States, because as individuals there is no way to have equality with the two other classes and cultures, the Corporate Middle Class and Culture that will never grow to more than 20% of the population and the Corporate Elite Capitalist Class and Culture that is only 10% of the entire population.

Here are some definitions of common usage:

common:

1.  belonging equally to each or all of a group: The airwaves of the United States belong in common with the entire population of the United States. 2. of all; from all; by all; to all; general: common knowledge, 3. united, joined: Science and medicine form a common front against ignorance and disease. 4. belonging to the community at large;public: He sowed a slander in the common ear.  A commoncouncil. The common population of Egypt and Wisconsin USA are outraged at the government’s attempting to remove the workers common benefit.

common carrier:  A person or business conveying goods or people for pay, offering the service to the public generally, the common population.

common council: the lawmaking group of a city, town, etc.

commoner:  one of the public; a person who is not a nobleman. 

common land:  land that is used and enjoyed by the public and is not restricted to private ownership.

common law: 1. law based on custom and usage, but confirmed by the decisions of judges, as distinct from statute law2. the law of all countries whose legal systems derive from English law, as distinct from civil or canon law.  3. law based on the decisions of judges in actual cases; case law.

common market:  an association of countries for promoting free trade among its members by eliminating tariffs, duties, and similar restrictions, with a common tariff for external commerce.

common wealth1. the group of people who make up a nation; citizens of a state.  2. a democratic state; republic.  3.  any one of the states of the United States.  4. a number of people united for a common interest.

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By RayLan, February 19, 2011 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

MarthaA
“the conservative elite capitalists have been socialist for 40 years at least.”
Huh???

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By MarthaA, February 19, 2011 at 2:47 am Link to this comment

RayLan, February 19 at 3:43 am,

The socialist conservatives and the socialist conservative Republicans of the socialist conservative Right, of course, the conservative elite capitalists have been socialist for 40 years at least.

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By RayLan, February 18, 2011 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA
I was mocking the profoundly stupid socialist-phobic Americans who resist the single payer system. Those morons Bieber calls ‘evil’.

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By RAE, February 18, 2011 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

A thought occurred to me when I read, from Ocjim “...I can only surmise that Americans have not been exposed to a good health care system like that of France or near-good like Canada.”

Perhaps this is one of those “teachable moments.” American foreign policy, at least the one they’d like the rest of the world to believe, is to go forth, invited or uninvited, into the lands of the “unenlightened,” dismantle centuries old relationships and customs, and proceed with haste to replace them with FREEDOM - American style.

This policy seems to fail miserably more often than not but are Americans deterred from trying again? No way! I don’t think it occurs to the leadership that the people in these ancient lands “have not been exposed” to FREEDOM - American style and as a result tend NOT to wholeheartedly welcome and embrace this wonderful gift being offered them. Americans are perpetually puzzled by this odd behavior. Why wouldn’t ANY people anywhere not want to live in FREEDOM - American style?

The answer, Dear American Friends, is that, as with religions, one size does not fit all. Further, don’t you think it arrogant in the extreme to just assume your ways are the best for everyone? Without presenting a point-by-point detailed list of them here, I’ll just say it doesn’t take much research to reveal the whopping flaws in the American way.

Your present health care system is set up to primarily benefit the health care PROVIDERS, including “Big Pharma.” I doubt this will change anytime soon because the American way is to MAKE PROFIT no matter what it takes or who gets the short end of the stick to achieve that goal.

I submit that not to ensure that ALL citizens have EQUAL access to affordable, quality medical care (even if that means free) is, plain & simply, mean-spirited barbarism… and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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By MarthaA, February 18, 2011 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, February 18 at 7:23 pm,

RayLan said:  “The main reason I never brought my mother to California from Canada is that, even if I could get her naturalized citizenship status - the health care would be prohibitive. As it is, she sees the doctor on a regular basis without any financial hardship whatsoever.  I guess Canada is under communist regime.
Anybody who speaks out is jailed, tortured and/or executed - like the old USSR.” — RayLan, February 18 at 7:23 pm


OK, there is no financial hardship whatsoever, so what would there be to speak out about in Canada?

Does this mean that Justin Bieber is in jeopardy of being “jailed, tortured and/or executed - like the old USSR.” ?

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By RayLan, February 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

The main reason I never brought my mother to California from Canada is that, even if I could get her naturalized citizenship status - the health care would be prohibitive. As it is, she sees the doctor on a regular basis without any financial hardship whatsoever. I guess Canada is under communist regime.
Anybody who speaks out is jailed, tortured and/or executed - like the old USSR.

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By Leefeller, February 18, 2011 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

What makes a fat salary?

Health Care executives are people too, they need to make a living, I used to feel good helping people like the Health Care executives make their annual bonsais, for me it was like playing the lottery.  So now I feel bad, since I can no longer contribute to their survival.  My Health Care monthly rates had exceeded what I can afford. I do have a choice, but it was my decision to pay my heating bills and for some reason I decided food was a priority. 

Every time my health care insurance rates went up, I knew it meant a better quality insurance, isn’t this what makes capitalism so great? Now I am missing out on the better more expensive health care insurance and I cannot contribute to those fat salary’s anymore, ....I hope he isn’t suffering and can feed his kids?

Same as my diesel truck, I have been waiting for the price to go up to $5.00 dollars per gallon, because I know the higher price always means a better quality product. The way things are going, I may not have to wait to long.

Viva capitalism!

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By MarthaA, February 18, 2011 at 1:48 am Link to this comment

It is an evil elite curse, but the population of the United States can break that curse and have a good health care system like France or Canada as soon as the 219 Million members of the 70% Majority Common Population become aware and unite for political representation of their class and culture in the realization that they are a class and culture and quit being pushed around by the classes and cultures of the two minority populations of the United States, the 62 Million members of the 20% Corporate Middle Class and Culture and the 31 Million members of the 10% Corporate Aristocracy’s Elite Capitalist Class and Culture. ——— One individual thread is easily broken, but two isn’t as easy to break, three, four and five get harder, and when the whole class and culture comes together it is impossible to break a whole class and culture united for political representation of that class and culture, the American Common Populace, and no longer separated as individuals.

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By ocjim, February 17, 2011 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

Speaking of our health care system, I can only surmise that Americans have not been exposed to a good health care system like that of France or near-good like Canada. Just like the young can’t know what they are missing regarding good juicy tomatoes or perfect fruit, not the thick-skinned stuff mutated for long travel.

I have good health coverage, but like others it costs entirely too much in co-pays for doctors, prescriptions and the fat salaries of health care executives.

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By zonth_zonth, February 17, 2011 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

I have been trying to predict when this teenager will have his personal meltdown like most teenage sensations who later become deranged.
Interesting to see in an infantile way how he has capitalized financially in the US while flippantly observing how the US is evil. Of course the evil trait is somehow not associated with his personal fortune.
Much like the personal fortunes and satisfying livelihoods of politician’s dont see themselves as connected to reality, as they themselves have health-care but assume Americans are not entitled to the same.

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By RAE, February 17, 2011 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

I found two cents in the sofa and I might as well spend them here as anywhere.

I concur with my fellow Canadians that our health care system is something to be proud of. That said, as others have pointed out, it is not perfect.

I am retired and, according to my income stats, I am amongst the walking poor. But I have no fear that I will be required to pay for any medical care provided by ANY licensed doctor I choose to visit and this includes all tests, Xrays, etc. “Licensed doctor” includes chiropractors, naturopaths, physiotherapists, podiatrists, etc. Just about everyone with the possible exception of witch doctors.

Prescription costs, in my province of New Brunswick, are capped at $15 each. That’s not an insignificant amount but it is an affordable amount. Apparently there are some drugs which are not covered by this plan but I don’t know which ones. I hear it’s only the experimental and/or the outrageously expensive and controversial ones.

If I should require some highly specialized surgery or recognized treatment that is not available in Canada that cost will be covered in whatever country I must go to. Again, there are exceptions - if I wanted some experimental and unproven procedure it would be at my own expense.

In my 72 years I do not remember ever paying out-of-pocket for medical care. I wish I could say the same about DENTAL CARE. There are Blue Cross type plans of course but if you get out your calculator I think you’ll find you pay just as much over time in premiums for the plan as you would just paying the dentist a la carte. But I still don’t know where a dental hygienist gets off charging $125 to clean my teeth or a dentist nearly $300 for a filling. I can buy a pretty good LCD TV for what I have to pay for one, straightforward 30-minute procedure to replace an aging filling in a molar!

Guess we all need something to bitch about, eh?

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By tomack, February 17, 2011 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

Matter not, 16 or 60; the truth ringeth like a rusty morgue door. I’m soon reaching retirement age and I wish I was living with the few realtives I have in Canada. By the way, they claim as SarcastiCanuck claims—it’s a good system. Not perfect but good.

Ahhh, I wish it were here…and soon.

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By SarcastiCanuck, February 17, 2011 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment
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When are they going to change the name Canadian Bacon to Freedom Bacon???

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By MossyOak, February 17, 2011 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

This is great! Words of wisdom from a 16 year-old. I read elsewhere that he’s also against abortion, though he states he’s never actually been pregnant himself. I’m SO relieved we’re now getting our latest talking points from a kid with a bad hair cut.

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By David J. Cyr, February 17, 2011 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

QUOTE (of an avatar, being a dog poop complaint sign):

“After crying in me Tequila the shortlist period of time, I will address Mr Avatar observer, by stating he is correct in the contents on the sign, but the Elephant in the background with the pile of dung is a bit small to see”
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I used a magnifying lens, and the blue creature in your background sure looks like a Blue sheeple (D)og wink

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By Leefeller, February 17, 2011 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

(of an avatar, being a dog poop complaint sign commenter):

After crying in me Tequila the shortlist period of time, I will address Mr Avatar observer, by stating he is correct in the contents on the sign, but the Elephant in the background with the pile of dung is a bit small to see, very like the four corners on the pin head Avatar who made address!

Seems I may need to refresh me avatar?

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By Leefeller, February 17, 2011 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

Wound,

My post was tongue in cheek, sadly some people would believe my post as accurate and on the money, especially those morons in agreement.

Personally I would be proud to be a Canadian and I would really prefer a health plan like the one you have in Canada.

We constantly are fed lies, since the illegitimating of the Patriot Act (a well selected name)  there have been no successful attacks on USA soil.  As for inside jobs and conspiracies, my suspicions are there, but I do not wear them on me sleeves.

I suspect many things, but what do I know for sure?

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By RayLan, February 17, 2011 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

thethirdman
I got that. But I still thought the content of the satire was worth addressing.

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By thethirdman, February 17, 2011 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller is using a rhetorical strategy known as sarcasm.  You guys need to
lighten up.

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By RayLan, February 17, 2011 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

“Since the USA has been at war in the Middle east the Canadians have not received any attacks from any Muslim terrorists”


Actually there have been sporadic terrorist attacks since -
because all acts of terrorism in the US were performed by individuals already assimilated into the society.

Terrorism isn’t countered with wholesale military campaigns in Middle Eastern countries because we were not terrorized by nations but by small infiltraed cells of fanatic individuals like home-grown para-military groups or the KKK.

Terrorism is just another pretext, and invisible enemy, the warmongers use to justify their policy of permanent war.

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By Esther, February 17, 2011 at 11:56 am Link to this comment
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What a sweetheart! Justin hit the nail on the head with that remark.  We are evil. We’re stupid, evil and insane.

So evil Americans adore Justin and give him every opportunity to excel in the USA.

I find that ironic.

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By Caligrown78, February 17, 2011 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

Normally this little guy makes my skin crawl but he’s right about this one

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By SarcastiCanuck, February 17, 2011 at 10:54 am Link to this comment
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True story Yanks.I know of an old man in Toronto who wintered in Florida with his wife.His wife suffered a heart attack and ended up in a Florida hospital for a month before dying.Even with medical travel insurance,the bills were so steep that he lost his life savings,had to down size his house to an apartment and had to scrimp the remainder of his life to cover the bills.In one Florida month he lost his house,savings and wife…A true modern day tradgedy…
  What I have wondered about since then is how many of you American citizens have been pushed to this same tradgedy every day.I came to the decision that both your HMOs and government couldn’t give a shit about you.I have also concluded that unless you are wealthy,any Yank who is against nationalized healthcare is a brainwashed fool.We have world class doctors,great hospitals and an excellent healthcare system in Canada.Some Europeans have it even better.Don’t believe the bullshit spread by your political snake charmers,they’re sellouts…Even the 16 year old Beebs can see through it..Sorry if I offended anyone….

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By David J. Cyr, February 17, 2011 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

QUOTE (of an avatar, being a dog poop complaint sign):

“Since the USA has been at war in the Middle east the Canadians have not received any attacks from any Muslim terrorists!”
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Canada was not a target for asymmetrical attempts at retaliation before the current resource wars. But Canadians have been participating in the new NATO resource war expeditionary force that was created when Clinton lied about Yugoslavia, and officially UN recognized shortly after a conveniently timed 2001 “Pearl Harbor” event. Canada has now become a legitimate military target for people responding to their countries having been invaded and occupied in the global corporate state’s wars waged for corporate profits at public expense. The public that pays the bills collects the blowback.

Promptly after the 2004 election, being convinced that Americans would never vote to have an actual healthcare system in America, my Single-Payer advocate doctor shut down her medical practice that she’d spent 15 years building and moved to Canada, so that she could spend the rest of her life helping Canadians be healthy, rather than constantly arguing with insurance companies over their corporate devaluations of her American patients.

The “service providers” in America’s denial of healthcare system are not Medical Doctors. Their MDs are in Money Dickering that gets the least possible actual care for the fewest patients provided, at the greatest expense to society, to ensure the highest profits for “insurance” companies.

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By RayLan, February 17, 2011 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Being Canadian born and a naturalize­d US citizen I can vouch for Bieber’s praise of the Canadian health system which BTW isn’t even as good as some European countries. The socialism-­phobia here is unparallel­ed. You can go broke just getting the necessitie­s of life in this land of milk and honey.

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By dogdiva, February 17, 2011 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

If I could only understand the reasoning of our people.  (please don’t regale me with your delusional fears of universal care…I heard them the first 50 times)  Let’s say you give the government an extra $100 bucks in taxes.  They give you 99% of all the health care you need and no paperwork. OR…In my case,I pay an insurance company $850 a month for $10,000 deductible (not an exaggeration)and then I pay a doctor’s office $130 for 15 minutes and a script I can’t afford. 

Most Americans think I have it better than a Canadian.  What does that tell you about Americans?

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By Wanked, February 17, 2011 at 8:43 am Link to this comment
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Hey Leefeller…


I’d rather just HAVE a doctor. But since my job disappeared recently…thats not an option. Tell it like it is JB.

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By rend, February 17, 2011 at 8:37 am Link to this comment
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when do we start burning any and all mp3 players with Justin Bieber tunes on them?

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By Wounded and Dangerous, February 17, 2011 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

Leefeller,

In response to your comments about us Canadians. I am proud of our health care system as well. It is not perfect, but it is one that will not bankrupt you like the young pop star indicates.  And, yes we have the ability to choose our own doctors. Your media and others will try and delude you about this issue of course for their own purposes, i.e. healthcare propaganda. Most Western nations have some kind of national or one payer health cares system whereas the US does not. That is how powerful the US medical system is.

As for the large military to which you refer perhaps that is one reason why there is no national healthcare in the U.S., i.e. the Military Industrial Complex is grabbing all of the dough.  Why do you think there is a continuous stream on non-sensical wars? Wars in fact, that were planned before the 9/11 attack.

As for the Moslem terrorists, I suspect that you do not subscribe to the notion of the inside job theory and do not bother to question the accuracy and interpretation of events on that fateful day of 9/11. I do not think 19 Middle East terrorists did the job, nor do millions of others. There are simply too many unanswered questions and unusual circumstances surrounding the event. The mainstream media will not touch the subject with a ten foot pole and censorship is rampant concerning the issue. This should act as a clue for you that there is something amiss with the official version of things. There is in fact a cover up taking place by many people in the know,  and in my mind, these are the evil ones that we should all be focused on.

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By George, February 17, 2011 at 7:32 am Link to this comment
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Leefeller, there isn’t much value in being able to choose who your doctor is, if you can’t afford to pay that doctor when you get there… If you got really sick, would you prefer to just get better or to go into bankruptcy and lose everything you have while getting better? And the Canadian system doesn’t force you to see specific doctors. There’s actually more freedom, as you can see whoever you want and you’re covered by your insurance no matter where you go. And- perhaps there’s a reason why Canada has chosen NOT to have the “bestest and largest military in the world”. Instead, that’s country’s able to pay for its superior infrastructure and national health care. There isn’t much that’s intrinsically superior about being the biggest and strongest world bully (especially when we’re falling apart at the seams at home), but there is much value in taking care of ourselves (which we do not do well at now- a majority of Americans, both rich and poor, have chronic healthy problems).

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By Leefeller, February 17, 2011 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

Geeze…..Canada has pop stars?  I don’t want no Canadians deciding who my doctor is, like most Americans I rather have the right to choose my doctor than be able to afford one. Some of us people in the United States may be evil, but it seems it would have been more accurate to say Americans are stupid and are forever being manipulated by the evil ones.

In a simple accounting, Canada does not seem evil nor stupid, nor do they have the best-est and largest military in the world either.

How about this one, sort of a Fox Newsy…....Since the USA has been at war in the Middle east the Canadians have not received any attacks from any Muslim terrorists!

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By Ralph Kramden, February 17, 2011 at 4:26 am Link to this comment
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I’ve often wonder in how many ways does the lack of universal health care distorts, twists our society? For one, waiting until you are too sick and then going to the emergency room is a very costly alternative. Two, losing your home because of medical bills is another. Three, losing your self-respect, your dignity because of lack of health care is another. Four, losing your teeth because lack of health care does wonder for your self-esteem. Five, we develop a lack of Christian charity as we pass the homeless by and “how many times must a man turn his head and pretend that he just doesn’t see”. Six, if we ever get hit with an epidemic all those contagious people without health insurance will roam about. Seventh, I wonder how litiguous the USA would be if our injuries would be covered and we did not have to lose our homes because of medical costs? A large portion of law suits are based on the prospect of losing our livelihood and our homes. Imagine a USA with universal health insurance. Imagine. But then again, our Christian charity is cancelled by our capitalist greed. Capitalism is anti-Christian. Notice that all those congressmen who denounce “socialized medicine” never, ever cancel their socialized health programs provided by the USA taxpayer.
By the way, America is the name of a continent. Anyone born in England, France, Germany is European. Anyone born in Argentina, Canada, Mexico is an American. Get it?

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By Lafayette, February 17, 2011 at 3:57 am Link to this comment

Wisdom from the mouth of babes ...

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