By DaveZx3, May 10 at 6:46 pm

”Should we allow our enoightened form of self-government be destroyed because of intolerance of the law and the constitution, which guarantees freedom of religion?
Are you saying that because religious people are stupid people, they should not be tolerated? 
Are you saying that people who do not measure up to your level of “enlightenment” should be essentially condemned to death according to your methods?
I would have to say that you have a very intolerant and unconstitutional message, to say the least.”

Is that what I said or is that the straw man you constructed in order to knock it down?

How ‘bout we put all that intolerance to a test?

You fly to Saudi Arabia, hire a translator and have him take you to a Mosque on Friday. Once inside the Mosque pull out a Christian Bible and start preaching to them about Ishmael and Isaac and declaring that the Jews, according to the word of god, are the rightful inheritors of the Abrahamic promises. You can even read the part that describes how the sons of Ishmael are going to be unruly and the enemies of everyone and everyone their enemies. Then go to the New Testament and preach to them how all those who do not accept Jesus as lord, god incarnate, risen from the dead are going to burn in hell fire forever and ever. Add that Mohammed was a pedophile for marrying a 9 year old girl and that his flying horse and meeting with Gabriel is all bullshit.

When you return from your trip I’ll pay for your ticket and expenses. You have to come and collect it personally.

If you think Saudi might be a bit too much of a test you can opt out for Israel where you’ll go with an interpreter to the Wailing Wall. There, on Saturday, you’ll pull out a Christian Bible and go directly to the New Testament where you’ll begin preaching from Titus 1:10-16 proceed to Acts 10:39, 1st Thessalonians 2;14,15, and Revelations 2:9 and 3:9, explaining to them that Paul, John and Jesus, god incarnate and the son of Jehovah, say that they are children of the devil and of the synagogue of Satan, that they are Christ killers, avaricious, blind to the truth, killers of the prophets and horrible to all men. You can end by reading the verse in Malachi where their god, YHWH, says he so tried of dealing with them that he’s going to rub shit in their faces.

The same deal applies. When you return you come to my office and I’ll pay for your ticket and expenses.

The expenses offer does not include expenses for any lawyers, medical attention, hospitals, or burial.

Deal?

”Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant—they’re quite clear—that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the ten commandments.

‘What in hell scares people about talking about America’s foundation of faith?’ ‘It is that world view that involves some people being afraid of being able to discuss our foundation, being able to discuss God in the public square, that’s the only thing I can attribute it to.’” –Sarah Palin

The clueless klutz responsible for that asinine quote came so close to being in the White House that it should scare the bejesus out of everyone. Why is it that none of these so-called Christians ever want law based on the Beatitudes? We never here them demanding anything that their undead Jewish zombie god said should be hung in public places. Why is that?

Can you call adults who believe that snakes and donkeys talk, chariots of fire and horses fly, and that Jewish corpses in different stages of decomposition can come out of the grave and walk around town anything else but stupid?

By nemesis2010, May 10 at 3:38 pm #

“What you and those of your ilk always forget is that there are many things that shouldn’t be tolerated.”
“Should we allow our enlightened form of self-government to be destroyed because the demented believers of superstition can’t get a grip on reality?”

Should we allow our enoightened form of self-government be destroyed because of intolerance of the law and the constitution, which guarantees freedom of religion?

Are you saying that because religious people are stupid people, they should not be tolerated? 

Are you saying that people who do not measure up to your level of “enlightenment” should be essentially condemned to death according to your methods?

I would have to say that you have a very intolerant and unconstitutional message, to say the least.

By DaveZx3, May 9 at 4:05 pm

”In the U.S.A. there is also a fourth front attacking our secular constitutional government and it’s an alliance of Republican Jesus Christianity and predator capitalists.”
I heard that the US Congress opens each day with a prayer.  And they got a funny habit of putting “In God We Trust” on their money.
Don’t sound like no secular government to me. 
Sounds like Americans don’t know who the f—k they are.
And by the reading of your very untolerant post, it is apparent they got a lot of hatred, or at least you do.
You American atheists are more intolerant than the religious that you constantly bitch a bout.”

I find your comments—some might call it twaddle, tripe, bilge, drivel, or even just plain bullshit—insensitive, garbled, obtuse, gauche, slow-witted, and extremely offensive.

Your comments are simply too obtuse to throw out there all at once. A considerate person would have broken it up into about 4 different posts to give others time to prepare to meet that avalanche of feeble-mindedness.

My post is not intolerant. It is, in actuality, very tolerant and accommodative to as broad a spectrum of the human race as possible; it is especially so with respect to the desires of the believers in superstition.

If any part of it can be misunderstood as being intolerant it would have to be by not offering the believers in imaginary sky daddies the opportunity to fulfill their desires to the extent that they would like. I do apologize for that, but for the sake of tolerance the religious will have to understand and accept that not all of the human race is mentally ill and wishes to destroy the species in the name of a religion and imaginary friend. Many of us, contrary to popular belief, actually enjoy life and would prefer to live it out to the end of our natural life span.

By allowing the insane of the religious communities the opportunity to destroy one another in the har Megiddo I am being very tolerant and sensitive to both their wishes and those of the sane. It’s called compromise and all sides have to both give and take. By proscribing all arms but a 1” pocket knife I’m both guaranteeing them the joy of killing each other—up close and personal—and assuring that the sane of the world will not be harmed by their actions. Everyone wins! The sick and demented get to bite and kick, rip off body parts, dig and gouge out flesh, relish the in screams of the wounded and dying and bathe themselves in the blood of their enemies while praising the name of whatever imaginary sky daddy they worship. While all that misery, horror, and death is taking place the rest of the human race—the sane part—can get on with living. I see it as a world-wide putting out the trash.

I hope I haven’t offended your moral sensibilities but I’ve little forbearance for the really stupid. I’m sure you see yourself as enlightened, sensitive, tolerant to the concerns of others, and an overall great guy. What you and those of your ilk always forget is that there are many things that shouldn’t be tolerated. Should we, in the 21st century, tolerate slavery? Should we tolerate genital mutilation of infants and small children in the name of an imaginary being because sick gvdlt (<- code) of a particular religious affiliation have a problem with human sexuality? Should we tolerate the blowing up of airliners filled with innocent men, women, and children because psychopaths convince retards that blowing themselves and others up guarantees them 72 virgins? Should we allow our enlightened form of self-government to be destroyed because the demented believers of superstition can’t get a grip on reality?

With all due respect DaveZx3, gvdl zpv boe zpvs upmfsbmdf! (<- code)

(code key: “Flen flyys”)

Truth doesn’t fear inspection.

The cartoon is just another example of those profiting from the Holocaust industry, an unfortunate event against Jews and others.

By nemesis2010, May 5 at 10:28 pm #

“In the U.S.A. there is also a fourth front attacking our secular constitutional government and it’s an alliance of Republican Jesus Christianity and predator capitalists.”

I heard that the US Congress opens each day with a prayer.  And they got a funny habit of putting “In God We Trust” on their money.

Don’t sound like no secular government to me. 

Sounds like Americans don’t know who the f—k they are.

And by the reading of your very untolerant post, it is apparent they got a lot of hatred, or at least you do.

You American atheists are more intolerant than the religious that you constantly bitch a bout.

I don’t find this cartoon offensive. In fact, I don’t even get it.

The ignorance of arrogance and the arrogance of ignorance. Being old enough to know the results of the Nazi camps-parents barely survived, myself born a few years after the war.  I used get angry but now I laugh, I don`t deal with it since I have never had anyone personally racially attack me. Mind you at 6`4” 269 power lifter The most I get is “Funny, you don`t look Jewish” Laugh time. Muscles are not Jewish enough. I guess having a total of 1750 lbs total for three lifts, power lifting has its advantage, people, only show kindness to me!Jewish or otherwise, your personal presentation has a lot to do with how others treat you. Let them run over you they will, stand up for yourself   no problem. thanks Peter.

After seeing the cartoon in question, my first thought was that the funny police should have brought charges against it.  But in no way was I offended by it because it confused me so much that I couldn’t work up any other emotion.

I had mixed feelings about this cartoon.  No one ever mentions the five million or so non-Jews who were exterminated by the Nazis.  The Cartoon is anti-Jewish, of course.  I have no idea when bad taste needs to be censored.

When people treat myself and others like me with such contempt and hate with no fear of punishment I feel no need to punish someone else for their contemptuous, vicious and hateful actions.

I wish you all well.

The Dutch ain’t got nothin’ — just another iteration in a long
string of people abused by abusers. So what’s so new about
that? there’s nothing like self-righteous chauvinism for clearing
one’s sinuses.  Let’s see them take on the Money Baggers with
equal relish. The Dutch, after all, started this whole miserable
mercantilism-usury-corporations-gambling on tulip bulbs
thing as it is.

The Dutch are rabidly anti-Nazi and have earned the right to be so, after living under the jack boots of Wehrmacht and SS for those years. Liberalism, indeed. How about protecting people’s lives, the government and democracy? Are those not worthy values?

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, liberty or anything with respect to enlightenment. This is religious hatred hiding behind a useful façade that adherents of Islam use to tear down democratic societies from within.

Western civilization is under a three prong religious attack by Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. If people don’t wake up soon and demand that the adherents of those three monotheistic threats to human survival are brought under control humanity will be dragged into another Dark Ages.

In the U.S.A. there is also a fourth front attacking our secular constitutional government and it’s an alliance of Republican Jesus Christianity and predator capitalists.

Personally I suggest that the faithful of the big three or four (four if you consider Mormonism a fourth monotheistic religion) monotheistic religions should all be allowed entry into har megiddo, armed with nothing more than a 1” long bladed pocket knife, and told to fight until the last group or man is left standing. Let those stupid bastards fight to their hearts’ content for their imaginary sky gods, up close and personal, and when they’re all dead but the winning few of one side, just shoot them and put a goddamn end to all this f-ing insanity.

You cannot have liberty and peace because there are always those that just cannot sleep thinking that there might be someone happy somewhere in the world. They’re religion’s mirror image of the politician who can’t sleep thinking that there is something he forgot to tax. If anyone needs proof that evolution isn’t perfect just consider the religious. What a bunch of miserable disgusting pukes!

M.M. Mangasarian said that “orthodoxy and autocracy” are twins. He was absolutely right and if enlightened men don’t make a united stand against this insanity, democracy and representative government are going to give way to autocratic theocracy. It will be hell on earth once again.

Just a few hundred years ago blasphemy and atheism were capital crimes in Europe and America. It still is in many parts of the world. Think about that!

Every possible anti Jewish idea has already been published with no direct damage to the Jewish People. Most Jews are still living well and free. A Nazi website called Storm Front was visited by me, it only echoed the same anti Jewish opinions that have been around for centuries. I hope that they continue to express their opinions without censorship.

Publicly insulting a radical group’s religion in the mass media could be like yelling
FIRE! in a crowded building, perhaps? Maybe even a casus belli?

This could be true especially when politics is used to stoke religious blindness in
issues best left secular, wouldn’t you agree?

This is not a new issue in The Netherlands. During many decades Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” could not be printed or sold in the country. I am not saying that this was good or bad. Just pointing out that this country is not always as “liberal” as advertised.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, as long as you’re not yelling “fire” in a crowded building.  We either believe it, or we don’t, and Europeans need to examine their penchant for imposing political correctness when it comes to the Holocaust issue.

People are universally super-sensitive regarding religious cartoons.

But if you can divorce youself from the narrow religious content here, the universal meaning is that human beings are always eager to count up injuries to themselves, but are very eager to forget their injuries to others.

The cartoon that tries to insult against the Jews is not a religious cartoon…In order
for it to be a similar thing to the infamous mohammed cartoon, it would have to
be religious. For instance it would have to show Moses directing the Jews to eradicate the Canaanites, or King David, the philistines. (They lived in present-day
Israel and Gaza)

Both are very touchy issues and would issue an avalanche of criticism, and hate-
speech. They were instances of “holy war”, found in the Bible.

But like the atomic bomb, the best move is not to play. There is no consequence of
publishing these religious inflammatory cartoons that is better than their absence.