Nothing to do with Israel.

BS - everything to do with… CIA/MI6/MOSSAD direct most of the terrorism, arms
and drug trade in the world and fund the Madrassas to generate legions of
zealous cannon fodder and patsies

MOSSAD was very much involved in creating Hamas - The Global War Of Terror is
the biggest shell game of all time and as the bodies pile up the global financiers
(the only winners) care nothing for the suffering… 

but, DU will get us all (them too) - change humanity as we know it - game over

PatrickHenry:

First of all, that exaggeration you were referring to is a figure of speech called a hyperbole. Look it up.

Secondly, Hezbollah was created with help from Iran to aid the Lebanese Shia in countering the palestinian Sunni domination of the south of Lebanon. Nothing to do with Israel.

Thirdly, you speak of the wishes of the Cuban people as if they actually had a voice. They’ve been living under a totalitarian regime for half a century, but of course THAT doesn’t bother you. You think Guantanamo is the real issue there. As for America’s status, you are really deluded if you think that just by abdicating force and playing nice with everyone the U.S. will gain the respect of the world. It would only serve to make it irrelevant in international affairs. Sweden bends over backwards to “make nice”...what is Sweden’s political weight? The world has not evolved beyond the necessity of force, whether you like it or not. There be monsters abroad, and the only thing they respect is power. America’s power is the only thing standing between those warlords you mentioned and innocent people all over the world.

The abysmal depth of your voluntary ignorance never ceases to amaze me. But in any case you’ve finally admitted it yourself: you don’t, and i quote, “give a fig”. I’m done arguing with you cause it’s an exercise in futility. You belong to that class of hollow men who hide behind moral relativism to avoid actually having to believe and fight for something and equivocate those who do to the tyrants and murderers they oppose.

-“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
                        John Stuart Mill

PatrickHenry:

I really don’t care if you believe me or not. I don’t really know how many miles separate us from Israel, cause we don’t use miles here, we use kilometers. There’s something like 100 kms separating me from Israel’s border.
But that’s besides the point. Your comment only served to reveal your ignorance of the conflict in Lebanon. You have a typically leftist slanted perspective, meaning that you were brainwashed into thinking the Palestinians were left-wing “progressists” and the Phalangists right-wing “fascists” right? And of course you think the only war crime that happened was Sabra and Shatila, when that actually happened late in the war. Yes Sabra and Shatila was inexcusable, and no Lebanese is proud of it. But if you bothered to read up on some actual documentation and ask people who LIVED the conflict instead of gobbling up that socialist drivel you just spewed, you would know that the Palestinians, who were guests in our country, and whom we had welcomed with open arms, created their own state-within-a-state, used their weapons against the local Lebanese populace instead of against Israel, carried out massacres on Christian villages, and pretty much sought to overthrow the Lebanese government and take over. This state of affairs lasted five years until the Phalangists, seeing that the government would do nothing because of the religious schism dividing it, finally decided to take things into their own hands and confronted the PLO and other terrorist groups. They were the only defense of the beleaguered Christian community in Lebanon, which by that time felt that they were losing their own country. You, of course, have heard nothing of the massacres that Palestinian militias, accompanied by other radicals, carried out on Christian communities way before the world heard of Sabra and Shatila, and whose casualties dwarfed the 300-400 victims of the Palestinian camp. But again YOU DON’T CARE. You just want your quaint little world view to stay safely within the parameters of your narrow ideology.
As for that comment about marines and the links, thanks for that, i needed a good laugh. You shouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet, it was the early version of Hezbollah that carried out that bombing. They were also the ones who carried out the bombing of the U.S. embassy that same year. THEY EVEN ADMITTED IT! they take pride in it even now! But again facts were never your forte, huh? You seriously need to do some reading on the subject. As for that boot, you should shove it up your own ass for betraying the memory of those marines who died trying to protect a people under fire.
Oh and by the way, I’m an orthodox christian, not maronite. Not that that really changes anything, just wanted to show you you’re wrong again. Strike 3, you’re out.

RE:
Anyway everyone knows the REAL danger is not uranium poisoning or even global warming:
it’s those sneaky free-masons always playing puppet masters. I mean they were behind the
creation of the United States and we all know how THAT turned out right? I think they’re
secretly the servants of Yog-Sosoth. You know that old trick of shutting your eyes real tight
and wishing dangers away doesn’t work when you’re an adult. Neither does focusing on
make-believe problems so you can forget all about the real ones.

well, well, bring it on - the sort of ridicule that verges on ad hominim - the only reason to
contribute to TD - for the abuse - but why just insinuate - how about a real smack down -
you know you’re itching for it - come on bring it on

as DU poisoning - oh it’s real alright
- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2374

and if you were right here in my face, you’d doubtless have eating dirt in the blink of an eye
like the highly Mossad agent it sounds like you are - BRING IT ON!

PatrickHenry:

First of all, you were off by a few thousand miles. I’m not Israeli, I’m Lebanese. This is probably gonna come as a shock to you, but radical Islamists are not some bogeyman cunningly made-up by the white house to justify a war of aggression, they are a very real very deadly menace that has been plaguing my region of the world for longer than your ancestors have been American. And while you indulge yourself in the illusion of “fight the power” pseudo-activism to inject yourself with an artificial sense of purpose, those very powers you rant and rave against are busy doing the real work, facing real problems, fighting the real battles. But of course you don’t really care about that. You’re continents away from the danger you insist is inexistent, safely ensconced in the snug little shell whose very existence depends on the men and women you so capriciously sneer at. You say I have a “fuck’em” attitude? You’re the one who doesn’t give a crap about the lives and freedoms of those living in oppression. Why don’t you just admit it? as long as your “sensitivities” aren’t wounded, you don’t CARE whether people somewhere have to live in perpetual fear or not. After all the ME is so far away right? Nobody’s asking you to take up arms in the defense of people foreign to you, but the least you can do is respect those who do, especially when your own nation’s security is involved as well.

As for your comments about Israel, they only serve to show how biased and brain-washed you are. Israel is more an enemy to America than Islamists? Are you daft or are you doing it on purpose?
So according to you, Israel’s neighbors are all “innocent civilians” that have nothing but the best intentions towards the Jewish state, but the big bad Israel keeps bullying them for no reason, completely disregarding the rules of civilized warfare to which her Arab neighbors are devout adherents…
So this world you live in, is it pretty? do they have unicorns there?

Oh and Jack, just like Marx, Malthus’ predictions were ridiculed by the march of time, and you can’t argue with history.
Anyway everyone knows the REAL danger is not uranium poisoning or even global warming: it’s those sneaky free-masons always playing puppet masters. I mean they were behind the creation of the United States and we all know how THAT turned out right? I think they’re secretly the servants of Yog-Sosoth.
You know that old trick of shutting your eyes real tight and wishing dangers away doesn’t work when you’re an adult. Neither does focusing on make-believe problems so you can forget all about the real ones.

RE: There are much more terrible things in the world than the conspiracy theories you like
to indulge in. I know your enemy in this war, and i can tell you that handling him with kiddy-
gloves is not only counter-productive, it’s suicidal.

Dunadan, sounds like your ME-cred is being brought to bear in encouraging us all to accept
the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory) about the Global War Of Terror - naturally, it requires a
lot of terror and terrorists, or at least a lot of patsies to look credible - torturing patsies makes
them look even more credible and perhaps they’ll “confess,” e.g. KSM.

Depending on where in the Middle East you are from, I fear upon your return you may face
something even more terrible than terrorism - at day’s end Depleted Uranium Poisoning
trumps everything. DU expert Laurn Moret calls it “omnicide.”

DU nano-dust is blowing all over the world - Malthus’ wet dream. So, maybe incompetence
really is more than just a limited-hangout cover up — those directing the Global War Of Terror
may really be as stupid as they appear. Back to your comment, you hit upon it alright: the
Global War Of Terror is “suicidal,” in every respect.

PatrickHenry:

Um, i think you missed the whole point of Guantanamo. The point was not to dispose of enemy combatants (and i take it your “field expedient manner” stands for outright execution, which i don’t see as more humane than incarceration) but to gather intelligence. That’s the key word here, say it with me: I-N-T-E-L-L-I-G-E-N-C-E. I know it may sound a bit foreign to you but bear with me. I’m not saying that torture is fine and dandy and should be handed out like sugar canes on Christmas, I’m very much against it, but when in war you have to be ready to meet violence with violence, aggression with aggression, deception with deception. And personally, i don’t find making someone believe they’re drowning particularly cruel considering the circumstances. You can oppose water boarding if you want, i can respect that, but what i can’t respect is getting all teary-eyed because a few prisoners of war are uncomfortable! The music is too loud? are you kidding me? How do you expect the brave people who work tirelessly for your protection to do their job if you deny them the means to do so?
P.S: i don’t watch Fox, I’m not a republican, nor am i a democrat for that matter, hell I’m not even American. As a matter of fact I’m a middle-easterner, which is why it angers me to see people who take their freedom for granted wallow in their little fantasy world where the biggest threat is the U.S. government. If only it were. There are much more terrible things in the world than the conspiracy theories you like to indulge in. I know your enemy in this war, and i can tell you that handling him with kiddy-gloves is not only counter-productive, it’s suicidal.
But then again, it’s so much easier to sit back and criticize the handling of a conflict than to be the one who actually has to do something about it.

RE: jumping out of a burning skyscraper to your certain doom just to escape
the inferno…

exactly why a genuinely transparent investigation is needed - sorry, but your
“baddest of the bad,” are mostly innocents sold for cold cash or or flat out patsies
like the supposed KSM - killed in the raid on his hideout in 2002

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ30Df01.html

the KSM legend - like the OBL legend - is 1000-times more valuable then the real
deal - OBL, by the way was on the CIA payroll right up to 911, when he became
Patsy numero uno!

“R.E.M.’s Michael Stipe, center, takes issue with the idea of music as a means of disturbing the prisoners’ peace at Guantanamo.”

Aaaaaaaw, the poor little bloodthirsty terrorists are being annoyed by loud music. Gee, the only sounds these homicidal maniacs are used to are gunfire and plastic explosives, how can they be expected to cope with the kind of torture you experience in a frat dorm? I mean how are they supposed to get their ugly-sleep?
As if it wasn’t enough that they were being fooled into believing that they’re drowning. Can you imagine what a drag pseudo-drowning can be? I mean it’s almost as bad as, say, jumping out of a burning skyscraper to your certain doom just to escape the inferno…

Yes, close down the entire base in Cuba. It has no mission, wastes millions of taxpayer dollars a year, and is a pointless colonial outpost.

http://www.g2mil.com/closegitmo.htm

THis is financial suicide for REM.
Don´t they know that they are being played, at loud volume, 24 hours a day in Abu Graib?
Now, lets not forget that the ASCAP money alone is about 300$ daily.

alt/metal/grung/grind rock & mo-fokin’ roll is the perfect implement of torture at
120 Db 24/7 - you can see how it was used as performance art in
http://www.thefall01.info/ to portray exactly what these practitioners of
alt/metal/grung/grind rock & mo-fokin’ roll are pissed off about - the musical
version of “guns don’t kill people…” - try playin’ Guns ‘n Roses to your flowers and
see how they bloom… probably they’ll just surrender