Hey Robert,

Israel is armed to the teeth?  No!!!  Can’t be, can it? 

What, are you telling me something new?  Of course they are armed to the teeth. They’re getting ready for that big day.  There’s a big party scheduled at Jezreel.  I know you’ve heard about it. 

Ahmamadman is bringing some nukes that he borrowed. Hamas and Al Qaeda are bringing some AK47s out of ignorance.  3/4ths of the rest of the world will bring some token party-goers just to say they participated. The Chinese are going to sacrifice a few billion people in their never-ending efforts at population control.  Should be a really big show.

Israel has to bring something big if its going to be the bang that’s expected.  Maybe thats why they’re saving up all that stuff.  So what if they had to borrow them from the US?  The amazing thing is that they still have them.  I would have used them up already if I were them. 

I am sure this is all very comforting to the Palistinians.  Remember them?  I wonder how far they live from Jezreel? 

The world has gone completely mad, there is absolutely no justice anywhere, people are pretending they care about the Palestinians, whose days are probably numbered, along with those of another billion people.  But we’ll finally get them damn Jews. 

So what’s your point, Robert?  Would you feel better if we did some inspections on all them Israeli nukes?  Would you feel better if we knew exactly how many nukes they have.  Maybe we should make them give back some of them.  How many do you suppose we ought to let them have for the big party?

God, this showdown has been brewing forever.  The story has been told millions of times - so many times that its mere telling assures it will take place at the time and place prescribed.  Its all in place, ready to go, and the mad, mad world wants to go count nukes and do some inspections. 

Shimon Perez, Douglas Feith & others are immaterial, some damn cargo plane is immaterial.  Your BBC documentary is immaterial.  Your Zionist controlled media is immaterial.  (by the way, if the media is zionist controlled, how come they worship Obamarama?  Last time I checked, he was buddying up to Ahmamadman.  Of course he has backed off a little lately)

Anyway, it is all immaterial.  This is bigger than all that stuff.  There are plenty of nukes to go around, and by the time its over no one will care about the zionist controlled media anymore, or anything else for that matter.  Zionism will finally be over.  Or will it?

Wouldn’t that be terrible if the Jews actually survived?  They have survived everything else that has ever been thrown at them for at least 3000 years.  I guess we will know fairly soon. 

What was your point again, Robert?  Oh yeah, Israel has a lot of “undocumented” nukes.  Don’t worry about that Robert, undocumented ones make just as much noise as the documented ones.

By DaveZx3, October 19 at 8:49 pm #

“I would be willing to bet that if Israel gives all the land to the Palestinians that they want and there is no further aggression on either side, that the Palestinians have about one more year to live.  Iran is not fooling, and they have a lot of support, and America has no will anymore.  Iran will develop or be given weapons which will obliterate Israel.  OR Israel will act first and others will obliterate Israel shortly afterward.  Either way, I am glad I am not living in Palestine, given prevailing wind and the miss-factor of tyrannical nukes.”

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Hey DavidZ,

It is NOT Iraq. It is NOT Iran.

Click on link below to watch this BBC documentary video which was ONLY aired on LINK TV. No other American News Zionist controlled media will make it available for the American people to watch/view.

While you are at it, you can tell us what Shimon Perez, Douglas Feith & others said regarding Israel WMD’s. Also, why haven’t we heard about Israel’s military cargo plane that crashed in the Netherlands several years ago and what was it transporting?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-234685330662058240&q
=israel+secret+weapon&total=107&start=0&num=10&so;
=0&type=search&plindex=1#

Ender

“Wow Dave!  You deny it as religious but claim Israel as gods own chosen people.  They were kicked out of Israel for 2000 yrs and only came back when they”

I actually did not claim that Israel is gods own chosen people.  I am saying that something extremely big is on their side, as their extermination has been a number one priority since a long, long time ago.  If it is America/Britain, that only explains the past few hundred years. 

Also, from a religion standpoint, Israel goes agsinst almost all the writing of their own sacred books, so I am not saying that they are a godly, religious people.  But I do believe in God, and I am not about to second guess how He will deal with these people. 

What I am saying to the Palestinians is that there needs to be a balance between idealology and reality.  Ideology says the Palestinians should have a home, but reality says they are probably going to be obliterated when the very large weapons are exchanged, probably fairly soon. 

If I were the advisor of the Palestinians, I would advise them to vacate the premises, because they have no real friends.  They have pseudo-friends only because 3/4 of the world are hell-bent on the eradication of the Jews, and the Palestinians give them a “reason”

There is nothing religious or fanatical about what I am saying, it is just reality, and it is probably what I would do in their place.  I am not interested in dying over prideful ideology or religion.

I get a lot of flack because I am not advocating that the Palestinians stand pat against Israel and continue to be patsies in a war which is 1000’s of years old and is 1000 times bigger than the Palestinian affair. 

Tens of thousands of people get displaced from their homes every year.  It is a reality, but it is rarely newsworthy. 

I compared Israel to a tsumani elsewhere and to a big earthquake which displaces a lot of people, and there is nothing that anyone can do about it but give them a new home.  It would be stupid and irresponsible to tell them to go back to their old home knowing that another tsunammi is coming next year, and there is nothing you can do about it. 

I would be willing to bet that if Israel gives all the land to the Palestinians that they want and there is no further aggression on either side, that the Palestinians have about one more year to live.  Iran is not fooling, and they have a lot of support, and America has no will anymore.  Iran will develop or be given weapons which will obliterate Israel.  OR Israel will act first and others will obliterate Israel shortly afterward.  Either way, I am glad I am not living in Palestine, given prevailing wind and the miss-factor of tyrannical nukes. 

Or possibly the USA will have the guts to pull a preemptive strike and save Israel and the Palestinians.  I don’t know, but I would not risk it, I would be out of that place, wherever someone would hav me.  Besides, real estate prices in Palestine are going to be plummeting soon.

Good to know that there is a public media (albeit Turkish) that isn’t owned by zionist jews.  I read last week that one of them offered to buy Al Jazeera.

It’s only a matter of time until some arab or palestinian seeking revenge nukes or bio-attacks downtown Tel Aviv whether justified or not and Israel begins nuking captials of nations in retaliation. (Sampson option)

Rich jews will contiue to live in the upper class of many of the worlds nations as they have for thousands of years, manipulating and attempting to monopolize the media, banking and legal systems of the host country by collaberation amongst themselves, not illegal but not exactly free enterpise.

Hats off to the Turks, those bad antisemites.

Wow Dave!  You deny it as religious but claim Israel as gods own chosen people.  They were kicked out of Israel for 2000 yrs and only came back when they because the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF BRITISH AND US EMPIRALIST.  Their apartheid theocracy would not exist if it were not propped up by $10billion US in aid plus billions in military supplies every year.  Then American Jews send $billions out of our economy to them.  Without American aid and the nuclear weapons we provided them they wouldn’t last a year.

What a thought.  Saudi Arabia and the US are the worlds largest supporters of state sponsored terroism.

Antinazionista

Sorry to burst your humanist bubble, but it is definitely not complicated, as you say. 

I have not quoted any bible, and I never said that anything at all that the Jews do is right. 

Opinionated people have to categorize quickly so they can summon up their opinionated response.  But in this case, you miscategorized anything I said. 

I am merelly dealing in historical facts and reality.  If you see any biblical quotes or any support in my writing for Israel’s anti-God activities, please point it out, as it was not my intention to justify Israel’s anti-God activities, whatever they may be, nor anyone else’s anti-God activities, for that matter.

I am not about endorsing or supporting any religions or bibles, but I am about recognizing reality when it bites you on the ass.  And I have big teeth marks in mine, which allows me to speak with certain conviction.

@DaveZx3

I hate to burst your biblical bubble, but it’s actually
not quite so complicated: the Jews are just like anyone
else, they want more land, and to get it they terrorise
their neighbours until they either leave or die. You
can decorate the story as much as you like, but ethnic
cleansing is ethnic cleansing and just because the Jews
do it, don’t make it right. Sorry, but there you go.

“More like the earthquake which levels and swallows up whole villages.” 

“False analogy. Earthquakes are not man-made and cannot be undone by man.”

Sorry, TRUE ANALOGY, Israel is not man-made and cannot be undone by man. 

It it were possible to annihilate Israel, or more accurately, the Jews, it would have been done a long time ago.  Man has attempted to do that throughout recorded history. 

It is extremely possible that something is being worked out on the earth which man cannot control.  What if Abraham actually had an encounter with God?

Abraham is a main character in Judaism, Islam and Christianity, the world’s three major religions. Not one of those religions states that it is o.k. to go and unilaterally kill your enemy.  But we see all three religions doing it. 

Why would God give orders for his followers to kill each other?  The aggression that we see on earth comes from forces that profess to be following God, but are actually following their personal false gods and religions.  I wonder what the source of that force would be?

If there really is a God, then these forces are liars and criminals who have made up religions to suit their selfish needs instead of following God.
If there is no God, then these forces are liars and criminals who have made up religions to suit their selfish needs.  Take your pick. 

If you are going to err, err along these lines:

1.  Acknowledge that God exists, but nobody really follows God because they would rather follow their religion which they can manipulate to suit their current need. 

2.  God created Israel for a purpose and you cannot win against Israel, not to say they are obeying their God or their religion.  It is not a matter for you to judge or try and solve. 

3.  If you do go against Israel, it is you who will be annihilated, not them.  They might be temporarily defeated, but always come back, for a reason which man has no control over. 

The Palestinians are doing themselves no favor by allowing their people to be a pawn in a multi-thousand year old epic struggle between false religions, and pseudo-idealists. 

If the people that claim to be working on the behalf of the Palestinians really cared about them, they would not leave them hung out there on the front lines of no man’s land lobbing rockets from their doorsteps into Israel. 

I am sympathetic to the Palestinians claim, but I recognize that they are victims of something which they will not be able to control or win through aggression or force.  And when the real weapons start flying, they are going to be right in the middle of it.

It’s real pity Truthdig introduces this article by referring to the “Israeli-Palestinian ‘clash’”. By
the same logic, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising was also a
German-Jew ‘clash’. Somehow, if it was Arabs
surrounding a Jewish concentration camp (let’s not
kid ourselves Gaza is anything but) then bombarding
it with all the modern weaponry the US can supply,
somehow I just can’t imagine Truthdig referring to
that as a ‘clash’.

And for the those readers who may be swayed by the
posts from here Zionist-central. Let me remind you of
just one aspect of this particular Israeli atrocity -
the sniper squad who had T-shirts made of a pregnant
Palestinian women - with a target and the words “one
bullet, two kills”. Don’t take my word for it - read
it in an Israeli newspaper:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072466.html

Kudos to the Turks for portraying the reality, while
the ‘free’ Western media fears the Israel lobby too
much to show or make such programmes.

“More like the earthquake which levels and swallows up whole villages.” 

False analogy. Earthquakes are not man-made and cannot be undone by man. The same argument was made for the apartheid State of South Africa. Not so much now.

“No man can stand against it.”

I think the Pals are making a good fist of it. Forty years ago opinion in the West ran almost totally against them. Today it is more like 50/50. All it takes is for a few more people who believe that a “moral and legal right exists for the Palestinians to return to their land” to stop supporting the regime that prevents them from doing so.

What bull.  The TV show is fiction.  Fiction.  Turkey is going down the tubes and turning from the west.
  Garbage like that portrayed on TV in Turkey is incitment that borders on criminal.  Surely sets back any attempt at a peace process.

brewerstroupe
“Najd’s Palestinian villagers, approximately 620 in 1945, were expelled on 13 May 1948, According to UN Resolution 194 and also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, Section 2, the villagers of Najd have a right to return home to their personal property and to their native village.”

There is no doubt that an ideal moral and legal right exists for the Palestinians to return to their land.  But, as I previously stated, justice is a scarce commodity on the face of the earth. 

The Palestinians rights have been superseded by a larger force, kind of like eminent domain only 1000 times larger and more powerful.  More like the earthquake which levels and swallows up whole villages.  No man can stand against it.

There is no justice in it, but it is reality, and it happens.  If you survive the earthquake or the hurricane or nuclear accident or the meteorite, you may have to swallow your right and build elsewhere.  It is reality, and there is no justice in it, but no man can control it.

What is this natural disaster called “Israel”?  First of all, it is not Israel, is is Judah.  The other of the 12 tribes have lost their identity, and may still be among us, but invisible.  How Judah has survived and retained its identity over the thousands of years of experiencing the rest of humanity continously attempting to eradicate them is a deep mystery.  There is no way they should have survived.

If one believes in God, then the mystery could be solved by acknowledging that Jesus Christ, “The Lion of the tribe of Judah”, the savior and/or messiah, and/or great prophet of the 3 major religions of the world was prophesied to return to a perpetual earthly kingdom/throne at some point.  If this prophesy holds any truth, then the Jews cannot be completely eradicated, and they will always be present to preserve the identity of the Messiah, His land and His throne.  Yes, the Jews do not recognize the Messianh currently, but that is the function of Christianity to be the placeholder until the Lion returns and is recognized by His people, much to the chagrin of most of humanity, which is scared to death of this prospect. 

The Palestinians are not the first and only peoples to posses this land, there have been many.  The Palestinians should be taken care of by their neighbors and they should recognize the odds against being successful in their struggle.  There is no justice on the face of the earth, but if their hearts are pure, they should be taken care of, both now and in the future.

As I said before, if there is a power on the face of the earth that can obliterate you in seconds, don’t lob rockets onto it, because you will be in danger of being obliterated in seconds, and you probably will be. 

Like the mosquito that bites you, it gets slapped and it dies, and no one remembers it tomorrow.  This is the natural state that we have inherited, and there is definitely no justice in it, and in the thousands of years of recorded history, humans have been hardly capable of bringing any justice whatsoever, for every side is only self-serving.

I am a proponent of helping Israel to retain their existence and retain their promised land.  And I am a proponent of helping others with a pure heart who are disadvanted by this fateful obligation. 

But to those who continue their efforts of eradication of the Jew, I can only say you are taking on something which is 1000’s of times larger than you, and you are looking more and more like a mosquito.  Complain if you like, but no one will remember you tomorrow. 

I am not a Jew. I am not a pessimist.  I recognize reality, and I am o.k. with it.

Well, at least they didn’t portray an Israel Solder wearing a happy face mask, throwing a baby up in the air and catching it on his bayonet! But why listen to me, I cannot even stand reality TV.

Israeli Attacks on International Peace Workers

“There have been a number of cases where Israeli soldiers and settlers have attacked international peace workers.”

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Just take a good look at the long list of links below & tell us if this is legal and ok because Israel’s IDF killers did it. Have you heard of what happened to Rachel Corrie & other peaceful individuals?:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/corrie-articles.html

I am not sure if you are saying that it is o.k.. to lob rockets into another country

Be assured I am not saying that…...here is the “but”:

Sderot was settled by Jews in 1951. According to Walid Khalidi in All That Remains, it along with the settlement of Or ha-Ner, founded in 1957, were established on the village lands of Najd, which means “elevated plain” in Arabic.

Najd’s Palestinian villagers, approximately 620 in 1945, were expelled on 13 May 1948, before Israel was declared a state and before any Arab armies entered Palestine. According to UN Resolution 194 and also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, Section 2, the villagers of Najd have a right to return home to their personal property and to their native village.

http://www.umkahlil.blogspot.com/
2006/06/sderot-built-on-ashes-of-ethnically.html

So what “country” are they lobbing into??

By brewerstroupe, October 15 at 10:00 pm #
Keep it up your sleeve for the next time some apologist for atrocity starts banging on about the rockets which cause fewer than one half of one percent of the deaths that result from Israel’s road toll. 

brewerstroupe,  I am not sure if you are saying that it is o.k.. to lob rockets into another country as long as you do not exceed a certain percentage of deaths compared to that country’s road death toll. Please tell me you are not.

The road death toll in the USA is more than 37,000 annually, as I understand it.  If a foreign entity lobbed rockets into the USA and killed about 150 to 200 people, what do you suppose the reaction of the USA whould be?

It is one thing to favor Israel or Palestineans in this conflict, but no one should tell a people to quit complaining because the rockets don’t kill that many people. 

Besides, what happens on the day that Hamas is given a nuclear warhead by some nut case?  Or what happens on that day when Iran finally develops the ability to carry out their stated mission against Israel?  What would be a justified reaction to these possible events? 

War is Hell.  Currently a majority of the nations of the world are at war at some level or are planning for a future war.  War is the perpetual state of humanity.  Almost every race or nation has waged war, most unjust to some degree.  Whether you kill 300 peoople or 30000 people in war, it is an abomination.

There is a commandment: “Thou shalt not kill”, but it is in the Bible, so governments do not have to pay any attention to it. 

Every day, people get to wake up and decide not to kill anybody that day.  If they choose to wage war, then they get to feel the pain and suffering of war.  There is no justice in it, but your side is always just to you, and their side is always just to them.  It is irrational.

But if you are stupid enough to lob rockets into a country that has the power to literally wipe you off the face of the earth, then you are in danger of being wiped off the face of the earth.  And there will be no justice in it to you.

There is a Golden Rule,  “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you,”  but it is unpopular because it was said by Jesus Christ. 

So the people of the world would rather lob rockets, missles and soon nuclear warheads.  And won’t we all be surprised when the war death toll is 1000 times the road death toll.  We will complain that there is no justice in it, and we will hear, “where was God?”

The Israel Lobby. Portrait of a Great Taboo

This is a must watch video

“Tegenlicht, a documentary program by the Dutch public broadcast organization VPRO, allows several interesting opinion makers to speak on the future of the American and Israel relationship and the reception of John Mearsheimers and Steve Walts article “The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy.”

Includes interviews with John Mearsheimer, former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell, Lawrence Wilkerson, cofounder of the Christians United for Israel lobbying group John Hagee, neoconservative Richard Perle and historian Tony Judt express their views in Marije Meermans and William de Bruijns documentary.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17525.htm

Deception, Spin and Lies

By Gilad Atzmon

“By way of deception thou shalt do war” The Mossad motto

“October 16, 2009 “Information Clearing House”—Less than a week after Ankara cancelled an air exercise with Israel, Turkey’s state-sponsored channel TRT1 broadcast “Ayrilik” * (“Farewell”), a new prime-time TV show that depicts the true image of Israel’s genocidal military operation in Gaza last January.

The Israelis are not happy. “Broadcasting this series is a serious case of state-sponsored incitement. …,” said Israel’s Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman this morning.  “Such a series, which doesn’t even have a weak connection to reality presents the IDF’s soldiers as murderers of innocent children….” I wonder whether one should remind hardliner Lieberman, who happens to be an enthusiastic ethnic cleanser and a proud Judeo supremacist racist, that the reality on the ground last January was ‘connected enough’ to establish a genocidal war crime inquiry and a crime against humanity. It left over 1400 fatal casualties. It also left thousands more injured, most of them children, women and elders. However, for once Lieberman happens to read the map. The Turkish TV-show indeed depicts the IDF’s soldiers as murderers of children women and elders for this is what Israeli soldiers are and this is exactly what Israel stands for politically, symbolically, ideologically and practically.

Though Lieberman tries to appease his Israeli crowd and may even be successful in doing so, his chances to mount pressure on Turkish TV and the government are rather limited. By now we all happen to know Israel is all about the establishment of a ‘Jew-only state’ in a stolen land named Palestine.

As it happens we tend to spend a lot of time writing and analysing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But the facts on the ground are actually very simple. Zionism is an ideology aspired by the plunder of Palestine. Israel has put the robbery of Palestine and the Palestinians into practice. We are talking here about a national revival project that is taking place at the expense of another people. It is a murderous project inherently inspired by the bible and an unethical plundering project of ‘home coming’. It is a lethal combination of some deadly interpretations of the Old Testament together with a non-ethical present. The only question to be asked is how have they got away with it? How do they continue to get away with plunder, murder, spreading white phosphorus and piling up nuclear weapons?

Spin, Deception and Lies are the Answer”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23740.htm

Israel has killed Palestinian babies and it’s killed Lebanese babies too and it’s killed Palestinian babies that were resident in Lebanon at the time. Israel’s method is if it doesn’t like what it sees in the mirror it smashes the mirror or covers it up. Israel’s war on the Palestinians has always involved killing their young. Especially its young males: that way they can’t be fighters or breed more Palestinians. Israel routinely denies things that everyone knows they did. I heard Mark Regev on the radio the other day saying that Israel denied that it had deliberately bombed non-threatening infrastructure and ploughed up agricultural fields to further starve the inhabitants of Gaza during their invasion of Gaza, even though everyone and their dog knows they did do it. The IDF’s behaviour during its invasion of Lebanon in 2006 says all that needs to be said about Israel and the IDF’s interest in the human rights of anyone who doesn’t happen to be Jewish. At this point in its history Israel is a war crime going somewhere to happen.

Boy this kind of anti-Israel propaganda really grates my cheese…  Imagine a member of the Israeli Defense Force doing anything like shooting a baby??? (burning its face off with white phosphorous, yes, but not shooting it)  These are the same people that spread the lie that the attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 was deliberate and the death of American peace activist Rachael Corrie at the hands of the IDF was intentional….

When I posted this link:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/33738/26/ 
....the other day I had not noticed that, tucked away at the bottom of the page is a transcript from an Israeli radio rabbinical advice show:

[Question from Ha-Rav’s radio call-in show from this week]
Question: Is it permissible to travel to a wedding in Ashdod (in Southern Israel) which is in range of the Kassam and Grad rockets or is it forbidden based on the commandment of “You shall surely safeguard your soul” (Devarim 4:15, 23:11)?

The answer is hilarious when contrasted with Israel’s cassus belli for “Cast Lead” :

It is permissible. There is a clear distinction in Halachah between a high-probability danger and a low-probability danger. If this were not the case, we would not be able to travel in a car since every year, to our great distress, six hundred people are killed in car accidents in Israel. Many more people have been killed in car accidents since the establishment of the State of Israel than all of the Kassam rockets and all of the terrorist attacks and all of the wars, even when they are added together……..

What follows is an “angels on a pinhead” analysis that concludes that there is very little danger in visiting “Southern Israel” in spite of the rockets.

So there you have it. The “thousands of rockets” which caused Israel to kill 1400 Palestinians in Operation Cast Lead represent such a minimal danger that it is considered insufficient to warrant staying home from a wedding.

Priceless - if you can put the 1400 victims out of your mind for a few moments. Keep it up your sleeve for the next time some apologist for atrocity starts banging on about the rockets which cause fewer than one half of one percent of the deaths that result from Israel’s road toll.