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Swiss Nix Polanski’s Bail Request

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Posted on Oct 6, 2009
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After his legal team came up short Tuesday with its request that Swiss officials reconsider his recent arrest and release him on bail, film director Roman Polanski remained behind bars, unable to spend his time awaiting his fate from his resort home in Gstaad.  —KA

“L.A. Now” in the Los Angeles Times:

Lawyers for Polanski, 76, have suggested that he be released from jail and allowed to spend his detention at the home he owns in the Swiss resort town of Gstaad.

In a statement today, Herve Temime, Polanski’s Paris-based attorney, insisted that Polanski would “not leave the Swiss territory during the whole extradition procedure, and [would] respect all the obligations that may be imposed upon him in order to guarantee that commitment.”

But legal experts say that such a decision by the Swiss court would be highly unlikely and that Polanski will probably have to stay in prison for several months while extradition proceedings play out.

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By PatrickHenry, October 14, 2009 at 3:31 am Link to this comment

By Calendar Reader, October 13 at 5:36 pm #

Polanski’s work sucks in my opinion, Chinatown was OK but I don’t see “artistry” in any of his work by any actors and actresses, a word claimed by thespians everywhere.

Polanski and actors did a job, got overpaid and this affects his criminally how?

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By christian96, October 13, 2009 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment

Calendar Reader—-“At issue is a fundamental
perception of the artist and his role in society.”

Are you saying an artist is above the rest of us
mere mortal humans on earth in reference to keeping
the laws governing human conduct because their
artistic contributions to society are greater than
us mere mortal humans?  If I had time and space I
would even challenge the artistic contributions of
Roman Polanski.  What did “Chinatown” do for the
poor working class in Appalachia?  Artists are
human beings and are therefore subject to the laws
of the land just like the rest of us.  This adult
artist drugged and molested an ignorant 13 year
old child.  He must be tried and sentenced for his
behavior just like any of us humans.  To even suggest
someone who made a contribution to society(Edison,
Einstein, etc.) is above the law because of their
contributions comes from a very ignorant and delusional mind.

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By Folktruther, October 13, 2009 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

Before the begining of class society historically, God was a woman, according to the archiologists Marija Galitius and the brilliant Merlin Stone.  She was a firtility symbol, and with her snake symbolizing sexual wisdom, whe bad the creatures of the earth, and people, to multiply.

but the hearding peoples of the northern plains, who Gilitus called the Kurgans, and are now known as Arians, raised a war weapon that gave them a great range and the ability to concentrate their forces quickly.  The horse. 

The Arians conquered the agriculturalists and imposed their male gods of violence on the population. In the Western traditon it was initiated in the holy massacres of the Jewish Bible and the Illiad of the Greek traditions.  And they destroyed the female godess and demeaned the status of women and sexuality.

Time to return to a feminine godess, Mother Earth, whose children we are.  The fertility we now need is not more progeny, but a spiritual and sexual renaissance that supercedes the historical devaluation of women and sexuality by the heirs of the violent Kurzan power.

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By Calendar Reader, October 13, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment
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The following letter appeared in the L.A. Times Saturday, October 10th, edition, in the letters from readers section of the entertainment section, the Calendar. It was sent from Michael Chase Walker of Encino. I am not him, but I admire his eloquence. It was his response to an article in the Times. Here it is:

Re “Polanski, Seen Through His Own Lens”, by Reed Johnson, Oct. 5. This was so long overdue. Thank you for addressing the real issue here. This is so much more than “Hollywood versus Middle America, liberals versus feminists.” At issue is a fundamental perception of the artist and his role in society.

“Artists must by definition redifine their own moral universe, and this can be a terrible, ugly and devastating process. But what they “pay back” to us, what they contribute to society are enduring legacies we would barely fathom in our quotidian lives.

“The films of Roman Polanski are just that—gimpses of depravity, horror and morality gone mad, filtered through his own very real-life experiences. But for anyone who would denounce this tragic and talented man as a monster, I defy you to watch him sobbing at the loss of his pregnant wife and unborn child at the hands of Charles Manson and then carefully rethink your position. As for myself, I cannot even imagine the presumptuousness of a sick society that would hold itself up as morally justified to pass judgement and incarcerate him after such a heinous act. We lost our moral high ground with Polanski long ago.

“As far as Polanski’s debt to society, if such a thing weren’t so ludicrous on its face, he has paid us back in droves, and perhaps through “Chinatown” alone. Exuce me, but what the hell do they think this film is about? Uniquely, and perhaps even exclusively, Roman Polanski has shown us, whether it be through the Nazis of the diabolically predatory wrangling of Noah Cross, real evil manifests itself not just in the actions of corrupt, tragic individuals, but in political movements, zealous prosecutors, morally hysterical majorities and publicity motivated judiciaries”.

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By PatrickHenry, October 13, 2009 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

By Laugher, October 13 at 6:56 am #

Rape of a minor, sodomy, giving a child alcohol and illegal drugs are not “minor” issues. Flight to avoid sentencing is also not “minor”. 

The mother, father and lawyer are also at fault and should be tried if the statute of limitations allows it.  This is a criminal issue and while the victim may forgive him for civil damages paid, It is a societal issue and I for one want to keep the creeps off the streets.

BTW, you moral compass is broke, get a new one.

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By christian96, October 13, 2009 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

I just called Ally banking to complain about a
commerical in which an adult male sitting with
two small girls ask the 1st girl if she would like
a pony.  When she responds “yes” the man takes a
small pony statute out of his pocket and hands it
to her.  He asks the other girl if she would like
a pony.  When she replies “yes” he asks for a real
pony to be brought out and given to the girl.  The
1st little girl is hurt by the manipulative behavior
of the adult male.  When I complained to Ally,
the lady from customer service said, “Oh, we think
the commerical is funny.  The two little girls are
children of employees.”  I reminded her that the
1st child had been manipulated by the adult.  She
didn’t seem to see anything wrong with this.  It’s
just another example of how insensitive our society
has become to other people, especially children. I
would suggest anyone banking with Ally remove their
finances and place them elsewhere.  The two recent
comments by Folktruther and Friend are also examples
of the insensitivity of people.  Our nation is in
big trouble.

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By Folktruther, October 13, 2009 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Laugher, it’s not an important case to you becaue you are probably not religious the way many TD Progs are.  Traditional religion tends to pervert the sexuality of their adherents and to instill an enjoyment of punitive violence. 

It is quite true that this is an trivial incident in relation to the mass murders that the US power system is perpetuating, but traditional religion tends to instill the Faith based values and Faith-based truth that earthly love is worng and mass killing when done by authority is normal and natural.

It is unlikely that Polanski will get a minor sentence if he is extradited to the US.  He will probably be put into a general population of prisoners who rape and kill sex offenders with the general approval of the religious.  It is because the US is so relgious that we have the largest number of prisoners in the world crowded together or isolated in cages.

It is part of the moral peversions of the religious, who think and feel earthly love sacroligious and should be repressed to provoke authorize violence or spiritual development.  Sexual divience is a far greater religious sin than mass violence.

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By Laugher, October 13, 2009 at 3:56 am Link to this comment

Its interesting to see how everyone turns into a bunch of Nancy Graces everytime there is a high profile sex case in the media.

Especially for such a seemingly minor one: 
30 years ago, a Foreign guy was convicted of unlawful sex with a minor, a 13 year old who was working as a nude model, which is not as serious a crime in his home country, who was incarcerated for several months, released and then fled back to his home country when they were going to re-sentence him; where he has not re-offended for 30 years and the now middle aged girl has forgiven him and does not want more charges brought


Seems like a minor case to me given the facts.  And that’s not even bringing in the alleged judicial misconduct on the part of the judge.
Even if he is brought back and convicted, I can’t see him really getting a huge sentence.  I would imagine not much more than a year or two and then deportation.  Seems we could save the taxpayers some money on housing another non-violent offender by keeping the de-fact-o deportation in effect.  I would imagine the Polanski case will literally end up costing the Federal Government Tens of millions if not approaching a hundred million dollars when its all said and done
Seems like completely wasted resources to me. 

What I find most puzzling is the Swiss.  I thought they were supposed to be neutral towards international disputes? I wish they would be less neutral towards the large scale criminals, the money launderers and tax evaders instead of people who’s negative effect on society is far less serious

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By hidflect, October 13, 2009 at 2:37 am Link to this comment

I won’t let the left-wing get lumped into the Polanski apologist camp. This socialist supports 20 years for pedophile rapists. Justice, law and order are above political divides.

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By wanderer, October 12, 2009 at 7:40 am Link to this comment
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I wouldn’t expect anything resembling rationality from folktruther. His leftwing prejudices are as ingrained as rightwinger’s.

Arguing with him is akin to trying to hold a discussion with your own shadow.

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By christian96, October 11, 2009 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther—-I find it difficult to try to rationally respond to your irrational comments.
First, you comment “there is no teenage sexual
problem.”  How in God’s Holy name can you make
such an assertion?  Are you not aware of the
sexually transmitted diseases among teenagers? I will
go no further in trying to relate the MANY sexual
problems among teenagers.  After asserting teenagers
have no sexual problems you then blame their sexual
problems on Christianity.  Do they have problems or
do they not have problems? You then make reference
to my “perverted religious values.”  How do you even
know my religious values?  What do you mean by
“perverted?”  Just respond to those comments and then
I will try to rationally respond to you.  Thank you.

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By Folktruther, October 11, 2009 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, you’re right, PatrickHenry.  I should have said ‘relogious’ instead of Christian.

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By PatrickHenry, October 11, 2009 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

By Folktruther, October 11 at 6:08 pm #

Damn FT, If I was to be critical about jews (which I am) the way your talking about christians, the local chapter of the JDL here at truthdig would be calling me an antisemite and such.

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By Folktruther, October 11, 2009 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

don’t be held back by your inhibitions, Robert, say what you think.

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By robert m puglia, October 11, 2009 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

these comments constitute the most vapid discourse ever vomited by creatures with opposable thumbs. this is a bitchfest of fools.

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By Folktruther, October 11, 2009 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

Christian, there is no teenage sexual problem, there is a Christian problem.  Chrestians do not teach their children about sex, or teach them medieval and perverted values interpreted from Holy Scripture, and the girls get pregnant.  This is what is immoral, since they are two young to raise children well, and it may well destroy their own lives.

And the problem is magnified because they actually do have people with perverted religous valaes like yours do the design of sexual Education in the schools.  And Christian moral Authorities like the Pope with mideavial values forbid the use of condoms in places like Africa where a vast fraction of the people have Aids.

Paul said that it is better to marry then to burn, but for certain religious leaders, I would vote for the latter.

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By wanderer, October 11, 2009 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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Folktruther, I’m sure you would be fine with Polanski if it had been YOUR 13 year old daughter he drugged and then had sex - consensual or not - with. Right?

And since when is a 13 year old old enough to give consent???

I know you have a problem with him being singled out, but the fact is he pled guilty, then fled when it looked like he’d serve time and lived a life of luxury all these decades. He hasn’t even, as far as I know, apologized. He’s totally unrepentent.

Just because he’s a director with some ‘artistic’ reputation doesn’t get him off the hook w/me, nor does it with most people. It might be okay in Europe, but this isn’t Europe. As the parent of a son who was sexually abused by someone we trusted, I don’t anybody like this off the hook. It would be quite different if these were merely allegations, but they’re NOT.

You and I both know he’ll get nothing more than a slap on the wrist, so he should man up and accept responsibility.

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By christian96, October 10, 2009 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment

I have a bad habit of writing spontaneously
and not reviewing what I have written before
submitting it.  In my previous post I meant
to write, “Since truthdig does NOT do many
articles about teenage sexual problems…”

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By christian96, October 10, 2009 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

Since Truthdig does do many articles about the
teenage sexual problems in our country, I thought
this article about an adult pervert who molested
a 13 year old girl would be the appropriate place
to voice my right as an American.  I just watched
a program “She’s Too Young” on LMN channel.  It was
basically about approximately 14 year old girls
engaging in sexual intercourse with a high number of
them contracting various veneral diseases.  I liked
the program because once the parents in the neighborhood became aware of what was going on they
took an active role in supporting their children
and helping other community members in health education take action to help the children better
understand themselves and offer alternatives to their
behaviors.  Alcohol, drugs, porn, and peer pressure
were significant influences upon the children’s
behavior.  Most porn(role models for teens) comes
from California.  I would like to see the Governor
of California take action to introduce legislation
to require courses for junior high students in which
the students better understand why they begin to
engage in premartial sexual intercourse along with
the parameters that maintain the sexual behaviors
once they begin.  A significant part of the curriculum would involve teaching the adult role
models in television programs and movies that engage
in premarital and extramarital sexual intercourse
along with their consequences(disease, divorce, etc.)
Since I have spent my entire life in education I
am more than willing to help the governor in designing the curriculum and methodical means for
implementing the curriculum.  Our children are our
countries citizens.  If we as a nation would remove
some money from the destructive approach of the
pentagon and apply it to the constructive approach
of education our chldren and society would be much
better for it.

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By Ray Duray, October 10, 2009 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

Hey Frank,

You wrote: “Polanski committed a crime. Let the courts do their job.”

I’m curious where you might have gotten your ideas about courts and crime? Any chance you still find star chambers to be valuable? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_chamber

Or is it perhaps that you’d like a return to the “justice” exhibited in the 1692 Salem Witch Hunts? The key may be that you don’t have a favorable impression of Rosemary’s Baby, by chance?

***
To reiterate what I stated earlier, the persecution of Roman Polanski has absolutely nothing to do with justice. It has everything to do with a grandstanding prosecutor from L.A. who is just trying to advance his own career by appealing to small minded puritanical numbskulls. Add to the despicable nature of the L.A. prosecutors ulterior motives that of the Swiss penal authorities who probably felt that tossing Polanski to the wolves would somehow placate the IRS authorities who are making life uncomfortable for the criminals and tax cheats at UBS et al.

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Frank, I’m dying of curiosity about how you feel about the likes of Augusto Pinochet who in April, 1999 was being held in England on charges of crimes against citizens of Spain? Do you wish that England had turned Pinochet over to the Spanish prosecutors? I was certainly in favor of that course of action. But my opinion didn’t carry nearly as much weight as that of Pinochet’s supporters including ex-President George H.W. Bush, ex-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher or ex-head of state the Dalai Lama.

The reason I would have seen that justice was being served in the Pinochet case is because his regime was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people in Chile. And the reason I would not pursue the Polanski persecution is because his “victim”, a girl who was handed to Polanski seemingly on platter, has forgiven Polanski’s indiscretion.

You do see the difference between a foolish night of debauchery and 1,100 ruthless murders, don’t you?

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By Frank, October 10, 2009 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

The only relevant facts here is a crime was committed, and the perpetrator fled
to escape justice. He has neither paid the settlement money he owes the victim,
nor has he received any criminal penalties for his crime. Every day he
intentionally eludes justice and shirks his responsibilities only makes his
crimes greater, not less.

Doesn’t matter what hollywood says, or what mixed-bag coalitions are
speaking out, or what right wing conspiracies are imagined to be at work.  All
of the pseudo-intellectual blathering and diversion attempts by Folktruther,
Ray Duray, random socialist bloggers and other Polanski apologists are
completely irrelevant. 

Polanski committed a crime. Let the courts do their job.

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By Folktruther, October 10, 2009 at 1:52 am Link to this comment

The dankprofessor looked up the probation report and that of the examining pxychiatrists.  It’s in his last link.  Way to go, dankster.

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By dankprofessor, October 9, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

I think that I get to the core of the Polanski issue in my following missive-

http://dankprofessor.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/polanski-probation-report/

Anti-Polanski truthdiggers will like this one more than my previous post. Those who support Polanski might find some materials that could bolster their
position.

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By Ray Duray, October 9, 2009 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

Those who have an interest in just how corrupt, arbitrary and basically unjust the so-called “justice system” has been in Los Angeles in the past will be delighted to read Richard Rayner’s “A Bright and Guilty Place”.

http://bit.ly/kMiku

I am quite frankly astonished at the naivete of anyone suggesting that the persecution of Roman Polansky has anything remotely to do with justice today.

This is politics folks. Always has been. Quit acting like children about what is essentially nothing more than malicious bullying by a grandstanding prosecutor whose sole goal in this operation is to climb his own career ladder by titillating a bunch of silly puritans. Considering the state of affairs in L.A., we should be asking the D.A. how dare he waste taxpayer money on such a vindictive and pointless game.

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By Qwerty, October 9, 2009 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

Why do some people seem to think that if Roman Polanski has to face the consequences of his actions, then <fill-in-the-blank-with-whichever-person/group-deserves-punishment-but-hasn’t-received-it-yet> doesn’t? Why can’t more than one criminal be prosecuted? This is just the one in hand at the moment. Deal with the others when their time comes. I doubt anyone will say, “Oh heck, we already caught Roman Polanski, so let this one go.”

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By CaptRon, October 9, 2009 at 12:27 am Link to this comment

HERE KITTY KITTY KITTY-COME GET YOUR LICKINS

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By Ray Duray, October 8, 2009 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

WSWS.org chimes in on the Polanski case, and makes a damning case against the illiberal bitchy left.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/oct2009/pola-o08.shtml

From the article: “Behind the demands that “justice must be done” and “no one is above the law” lies a reactionary social and ideological agenda. Anyone tempted to sign on to this campaign had better think long and hard about its implications.

“A coalition of right-wingers and ‘feminist liberals’ has formed, capable of the wildest demagogy and accusations.”

End quote…

Some of the quotes from Katha Pollitt, Cokie Roberts and a genuinely deranged Weekly Standard columnist indicate that America truly is taking leave of its senses.

Apparently this is more acceptable to the cranialrectalitis crowd than dealing with our vastly criminal national government and its willingness to enslave the taxpaying populace for the sake of crimnal elites in the Pentagon and on Wall Street.

No, instead of paying attention to the vast criminal enterprise euphemistically called “American foreign policy” what the chattering class wants to do is to maliciously and sanctimoniously support a corrupt justice(sic) system that failed to provide justice 32 years ago.

Couldn’t Roberts, Pollitt et al just go back a few years more and attack Robert McNamara, Henry Kissinger and the crowd who were responsible for 3.4 million murders in South East Asia?

Underage sex and brutal genocide seem like entirely different categories to me. Why does this not register with the likes of hypervenilators like Cokie Roberts?

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By Folktruther, October 8, 2009 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

In a civilized society, which Americans have no experience with since they live in a predatory, violent and barbaric culture, the function of criminal law is to deter crime with a minimum of cost and suffering.  Since crime is endemic to unjust class societies, and justice is absent, the American tendency is to substitute vengence and lynch law.  And the truth system tends to keep Americans ignorant and deluded as to the function of law, as we are about other political and social truth the history of the US and the world.

Since more laws are broken than a prosecutor can prosecute, he must choose the most serious to pursue, as Paul Craig Roberts maintained yesterday in a piece on Counterpunch.  That is why there is a statue of liminitations on crimes except for murder.  The statue of limitations for both forcible rape, and statutory rape, which is in some states includes volentary sex of those under 18, ranges from 3 to ten years, except for a few exceptions in the Bible Belt.

This does not apply to Polansky legally because he pled to a charge which the legal system in LA did not adhere to.  Polanski, who is physically small, was to be placed in confinement of the general prison population who tend to rape and kill sexual offenders.  According to some Prog commenters this would be a good thing and serve him right.  And it is quite true that this is the traditional way that class societies have treated their artists.

It is apparant, however,  that a population ruled by a brutal and barbaric power structure will become brutalized and barbaric.  This has happened in Israel as well.  The American people tend to identify with the barbaric and violent values of American power, and implicit part of the American Dream. 

Many Americans want their power system to be just as violent and criminal as the criminal violence it fights.  This moral and spiritual perversion extends far beyond this one case, and sheds a light on why the American people cannot resist the predatory violence of its power system.  The American people tend to identify with it.

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By CJ, October 7, 2009 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

While the case of fugitive Roman Polanski is hardly on a scale of crimes committed circa 1939-45, it is good to see the Swiss maybe have learned something of a moral, and then legal, lesson. We can only hope.

Welcome to Chino, California, Roman. Or to a similar “resort” here in the Golden State. Whereat Harvey, David, Martin, Woody and the rest of the boys (and girls, I presume) will surely be allowed visitation during hours. (Don’t hold your breath, buddy.)

(As for Weinstein, his claim—per citation by Robinson last week—that Hollywood is somehow the center of the moral universe—insofar as America is also the universe—is one of the top five most preposterous claims I’ve ever read or heard. Maybe he’ll move in with Polanski. I can only hope. Anything but ever be heard from again.)

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By dankprofessor, October 7, 2009 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

For a different read on Polanski, read
http://dankprofessor.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/on-roman-polanski/

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By hidflect, October 7, 2009 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

“This is your Captain speaking. On behalf of El Al Airlines I’d like to welcome you on board for your flight to Tel Aviv. I offer you our apologise for the slight delay and we expect to be bringing full power to our engines for a speedy take off just as soon as we see Mr. Polanski sprint across the tarmac…

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By Bruce Kravetz, October 7, 2009 at 5:28 am Link to this comment
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I wish the media would stop say that he had sex with a 13 year old.  He raped
her after he druged her.

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By nefertiti, October 7, 2009 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

Funny how everyone seems after Polanski for a mistake he committed some decadees ago (and i condemn such mistake) while the Criminal zionists who KILLED hundreds of children 6 months ago in Gaza are free to move from the US to the UK to sharm AL Sheikh and Amman without any problem or fear . HYPOCRITS OR WHAT ?

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By NYCartist, October 6, 2009 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

I read Katha Pollitt’s article, “Polanki’s Friends” on Znet (reposted from the Nation Mag.)
http://www.Zcommunications.org/znet

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By NYCartist, October 6, 2009 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

Katha Pollitt has a good article about Polanski on the Nation website. (I often disagree with her on some things, like Obama, but woman reviewing a woman’s column, I think the one with the title, something like “Polanski and his friends” is good.)

I think women survivors of rape (at any age) should be polled for their/our opinions on this ongoing story of Polanski.  And a variety of things involving how rape is presented in the media and reactions to it.

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By Qwerty, October 6, 2009 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

Hmmm. ‘Polanski would “not leave the Swiss territory during the whole extradition procedure, and [would] respect all the obligations that may be imposed upon him in order to guarantee that commitment.”’
No, of course he wouldn’t. It isn’t as though he has done anything like that before.
It is incredible that he would even ask.

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