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Posted on Sep 13, 2009
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Humans and chimpanzees share about 98 percent of their DNA. Blasphemy!

Let’s get something straight, America. Charles Darwin was right. Only 39 percent of you believe that, but his theory of evolution is the basis of modern biological science. Deal with it. A new film about the man can’t get distribution in the U.S. because—this is embarrassing just to type—150 years after “On the Origin of Species,” he’s too controversial in these parts.  —PS

Telegraph:

The film was chosen to open the Toronto Film Festival and has its British premiere on Sunday. It has been sold in almost every territory around the world, from Australia to Scandinavia.

However, US distributors have resolutely passed on a film which will prove hugely divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll conducted in February, only 39 per cent of Americans believe in the theory of evolution.

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By Ouroborus, September 16, 2009 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

By christian96, September 16 at 7:51 am #

A few weeks ago you and I had a reasonable exchange;
but since then you seem to have devolved into a
rather hysterical rant. Your behavior is not anything
like a Christian; you lack humility, charity,
understanding, and I’m worried you’re rather undone.
Please take council from your 32 years of study and,
please, re-evaluate you’re attempt at teaching.
Please calm down and learn from your teacher. I think
your teacher would be far more charitable than your
recent comments. My teacher and your teacher do not
disagree. Peace.

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By ardee, September 16, 2009 at 5:00 am Link to this comment

christian96, September 16 at 7:51 am

You are rapidly devolving into hysterical rant. But then, what else do you really have? To assume to know the thoughts, deeds and reasons behind everyone who rejects your superstitious nonsense brands you and says little about them.

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By christian96, September 16, 2009 at 4:51 am Link to this comment

Let’s face the truth!  It isn’t about Christianity
being antiintellectual.  What a joke.  At sometime
in the future people will laugh you “so called”
intellectuals to scorn.  The real reason you reject
Christianity is probably related to the fact that
you are doing something the tenets of Christianity
tell you not to do!  Just like a little child
crying in a grocery store because they want a
candy bar while their parent knows the candy bar
in no good for them.  In all likelyhood you want to
play with your own or someone else’s genitals.
But God(your ultimate parent) knows that playing
with someone else’s genitals is not good for you.
So, like a little crying baby, you are in denial
and call it “intellectualism.”  GIVE ME A BREAK!
For those of you not familiar with the Bible,
Lucifer(the fallen angel) was an intellectual.
Speaking of Lucifer, Ezekiel 28:17 reads, “Your
mind was lifted up because of your beauty, your
wisdom was corrupted because of your intellectualism.”  You think you want someone
beautiful and intellectual?  Watch out.  You may
get what you ask for!

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By Leefeller, September 16, 2009 at 2:35 am Link to this comment

Christian’s are to Sciency for me! Actually love the word Sciency, Sciency! Sciency!

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By catlady628, September 16, 2009 at 1:52 am Link to this comment

Only 39%?! Really?? Well, that certainly explains a lot.  Religion has succeeded in keeping people from using the brains God gave them.

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By expat in germany, September 16, 2009 at 12:53 am Link to this comment
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To Dihey,
Yep. We live near Bamberg. And you are right, of course, that it depends on which state you live in. As an aside, my son came home from his first day at school yesterday and told me that “Ethics” is no longer offered as an option in his gymnasium. Why? Lack of interested students (or parents, more likely).

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By stcfarms, September 16, 2009 at 12:08 am Link to this comment

The 61% already know everything that they want to know, nothing.

By JokerOC, September 16 at 1:52 am #

I’m grateful to be in the 39% of Americans who would enjoy to see this movie
and
troubled that 61% of Americans suffer from psychosis. If you are wondering
what
is wrong with American, everything can be trace to that stat. I actually think
it’s
worse too, I think that 39% is a reach. The U.S, is a sick, racist, uneducated,
greedy, christian extremest country. That people is the facts.

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By DFC, September 15, 2009 at 11:59 pm Link to this comment

Thanks “thebeedoctor” and “h”...; For “jbowman” and anyone else needing clarification—my main beef is with the author’s use of the wording “...believe in evolution”.  This also applies to using the term “believe” or “belief” when describing one’s acceptance of general scientific finding and thought as explanation for ourselves and that which surrounds us—a necessarily incomplete endeavor, one just beginning to gain momentum after only a century or two (if that) of widespread existence. 

To describe acceptance of scientific study as “belief” is to place it in the same category as religion.  Religion, or “Belief”/“Faith” (reliance upon belief) is literally anti-intellectual; it relies upon willful ignorance to succeed as a paradigm.  It’s really a kind of luxury, if you think about it… having the ability to ignore your finiteness, to ignore the fact that there is no real (scientific; observable, detectable) evidence for the supernatural or an afterlife, no logical reason for it… and yet, how comforting it must be—if you can ignore enough of the facts, i.e., quell your mind (the one God gave you, presumably), you’ve probably got it made. No worries.  And consider how useful belief is for political and military leaders—what if the cannon and machine-gun-fodder didn’t believe there was a better place awaiting them?  Well, maybe that’s why team spirit and nationalism exist, to keep the less-believing on the program.  Then again, those concepts are about belief, too… 

But, you know… just having a (my) lay-person’s grasp and appreciation for what science has allowed us to discover proves that the world and the universe—indeed, the contingency of human existence in the first place, and my own personal existence, for that matter too—is far more an impressive and awe-inspiring mystery than any pre-scientific scriptural explanation from the fertile imaginations of old storytellers with an aversion for mystery (I’d be a mystic instead of a spiritualist, if I had to be religious). I prefer the story science is telling.  It just keeps getting more interesting. Consider the fact (supported by myriad anatomical consistencies) of human lineage going back to the earliest fish (sharks and rays), and of course, earlier than that.  Now that’s an interesting and awesome story, far better than those found in the holy books of the various brand-name religious and sectarian sub-divisions, all proclaiming their particular truthiness.

If the ideas behind religious belief evolved—that is, were being improved upon with new findings of fact and disproval of previously-thought-true ideas… then it wouldn’t be belief, would it?

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By JokerOC, September 15, 2009 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment

I’m grateful to be in the 39% of Americans who would enjoy to see this movie and
troubled that 61% of Americans suffer from psychosis. If you are wondering what
is wrong with American, everything can be trace to that stat. I actually think it’s
worse too, I think that 39% is a reach. The U.S, is a sick, racist, uneducated,
greedy, christian extremest country. That people is the facts.

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By Kesey Seven, September 15, 2009 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

Thanks stcfarms. That’s what we’re hoping, we being me the publisher and the editor.  But, yeah, it’s been slated for publication next March.  We shall see.

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

You can still do what you originally intended with the book. If it is that good
maybe another distributor will pick it up.

By Kesey Seven, September 15 at 9:32 pm #

It’s odd, you know, because I’ve seen first hand what this article is addressing:
The repression of work.

I wrote a book early this year about working in the adult entertainment
industry and corporate America. The books draws comparisons between how
adult entertainers sell their bodies for money and how corporate employees
sell their souls for money. 

It was supposed to be an underground art book published by a small press.
Then a major distributor noticed it. Suddenly it was going to be in mainstream
retail bookstores and overseas. It was a like a dream come true.

And then the owner of the distribution company got wind of it. And the
contract ended.  I wrote the publisher:  Is there anything I can take out? There
are some scatological descriptions of “accidents” on the set of an adult movie,
do you want me to edit that piece? Nope. Nothing I could do. The owner of the
distribution company was a devout right-wing Christian. He would not
distribute the book under any circumstances.

It was not the sex. There are plenty of books about sex in the big retail
bookstores. 

No the problem was I wrote about sex and politics and religion and corporate
America and I made connections between them all. That was the problem.  If I
just wanted to write a book that was purely sexual, well, it would be as easy to
produce and sell as an adult movie. The problem was in the substance. 

I would suspect that is the problem with this movie. If it were shallow and
meaningless, it would not be a problem.  The problem is its substance. What
right wing censors fear more than anything else is one of their own quotes: 
Know the truth and the truth shall set you free. 

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By Kesey Seven, September 15, 2009 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

It’s odd, you know, because I’ve seen first hand what this article is addressing: The repression of work.

I wrote a book early this year about working in the adult entertainment industry and corporate America. The books draws comparisons between how adult entertainers sell their bodies for money and how corporate employees sell their souls for money. 

It was supposed to be an underground art book published by a small press. Then a major distributor noticed it. Suddenly it was going to be in mainstream retail bookstores and overseas. It was a like a dream come true.

And then the owner of the distribution company got wind of it. And the contract ended.  I wrote the publisher:  Is there anything I can take out? There are some scatological descriptions of “accidents” on the set of an adult movie, do you want me to edit that piece? Nope. Nothing I could do. The owner of the distribution company was a devout right-wing Christian. He would not distribute the book under any circumstances.

It was not the sex. There are plenty of books about sex in the big retail bookstores. 

No the problem was I wrote about sex and politics and religion and corporate America and I made connections between them all. That was the problem.  If I just wanted to write a book that was purely sexual, well, it would be as easy to produce and sell as an adult movie. The problem was in the substance. 

I would suspect that is the problem with this movie. If it were shallow and meaningless, it would not be a problem.  The problem is its substance. What right wing censors fear more than anything else is one of their own quotes:  Know the truth and the truth shall set you free. 


Kesey Seven

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By Ouroborus, September 15, 2009 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, September 15 at 9:30 am #

“People believe what they want, as long as it isn’t
too much work—as witness the numerous people,
including the editors of Truthdig, who want to
believe the theory of a single producer no one ever
heard of that a movie about Darwin can’t be
distributed because only 39% of the people believe in
Evolution.  If they had to defend this belief
rationally, they’d probably find something else to
do.  But, as noted, it makes a good pretext to recite
one’s settled prejudices about religion, which many
people find an amusing if repetitious pastime.”
====================================================

Yeah, if it wasn’t for us humans religion might be a
good thing. I don’t believe for one minute the movie
has been banned; but just look at all the comments
and heated rhetoric. Sorry, it’s hard not to notice
the firestorm below where this comment will land. In
all honesty, I agree that Truthdig must not be taken
too seriously as they are invested in their own
existence. They are as guilty of intellectual
dishonesty as any of us; maybe even more so than some
of us.

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

That is the beauty of the internet, the aether connects people that might not
have otherwise met. My name is Waub-Peepeegizaence Runninghawk but I go
by Jerry Scovel (my step dads name) as it made life so much easier. My email is
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

By shemp333, September 15 at 6:21 pm #

Dammit stcfarms!

  You are one of my kind!  My email address is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  I will
continue our communication from this day forward.  I feel like saying,  “I’m
Eric Stratton!  Damn good to meet ya!”
  Just saying that I’m serious.  It is damn good to meet you.  Hope to get to
know you even more.  Thanks for… just being you.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

Dammit stcfarms!

  You are one of my kind!  My email address is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  I will continue our communication from this day forward.  I feel like saying,  “I’m Eric Stratton!  Damn good to meet ya!”
  Just saying that I’m serious.  It is damn good to meet you.  Hope to get to know you even more.  Thanks for… just being you.

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

Thank you. You have a great mind as well and as a fellow veteran you can stay
as long as you wish. Goodnight Baghdad.

By shemp333, September 15 at 6:02 pm #

stcfarms

  I really dig your mind,  it feels so right.  I may have to stay a while. 
Goodnight Saigon.

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

If their bodies are on the same size scale as their minds then we do not have
the technology to see them.

shemp333, September 15 at 5:33 pm #

And just so you know.  We have landed several robotic emessaries on Mars
already.  No signs of you or your “legion of angels”.  Not yet a microbe to
report.  Damn man.  On what planet do you normally live on?

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

Beautiful country around Lancaster. I hope we do get to meet and I am glad to
be in your book. I will send you some christmas cards now http://
groups.yahoo.com/group/HanddrawnChristmascards/ I know that it is odd
but the French side of the family is big on this stuff and it is a hoot to send
them cards on a holiday that I do not believe in.


By shemp333, September 15 at 5:17 pm #

Hi stcfarms,

  I live in Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania.  I have a couple of cousins and an aunt
that live in Illinois.  Maybe someday soon we’ll get the chance to meet.  You’re
in my book.  But it’s not a holy book.  It’s better than that.  It’s a true friends
book.  I’m gonna send you a Christmas card!  Thanks for being true!

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms

  I really dig your mind,  it feels so right.  I may have to stay a while.  Goodnight Saigon.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Maybe you and your angels moved on to Mercury!

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

So then you are not just stupid, you are insane. Perhaps if the followers of
Mithra (the first christ, your ‘true’ god) did not feel the need to force
nonbelievers to be slaves to an imaginary being we would not need to be
violent.

When I was four and a half years old my French catholic grandmother
sentenced me to nine years in a jesuit prison camp (parochial school) because
I would not accept her god. The first day the nuns told the other kids (six year
olds) that I was the devil. I had to fight the morons every day.

In ninth grade a priest tried to beat the fear of the lord into me. Fortunately as
a farm boy I was far stronger than the priest and beat him senseless. Yeah, I
am one violent son of a bitch thanks to my ‘christian’ training.


By christian96, September 15 at 5:05 pm #

I am on Mars.  I am a high ranking angel commanding
legions of angels.  We are invisible to you violent
humans on earth who Satan has blinded your minds.
At times we make ourselves visible in our UFO’s
to remind Satan that we are watching him and his
angels.  Satan’s time is up.  He is trying to
destroy as many humans as possible before he is
bound and cast into a pit.  Our commander in chief,
Jesus Christ, wants as many as will to accept him
and follow his commandments before it is too late.
REPENT!  THE END IS NEAR!

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

And just so you know.  We have landed several robotic emessaries on Mars already.  No signs of you or your “legion of angels”.  Not yet a microbe to report.  Damn man.  On what planet do you normally live on?

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Hi stcfarms,

  I live in Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania.  I have a couple of cousins and an aunt that live in Illinois.  Maybe someday soon we’ll get the chance to meet.  You’re in my book.  But it’s not a holy book.  It’s better than that.  It’s a true friends book.  I’m gonna send you a Christmas card!  Thanks for being true!

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

Hey christian96! 

  You just keep getting funnier as the posts roll on!  Iam never gonna get tired of this!  Rock on bro!

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By christian96, September 15, 2009 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

I am on Mars.  I am a high ranking angel commanding
legions of angels.  We are invisible to you violent
humans on earth who Satan has blinded your minds.
At times we make ourselves visible in our UFO’s
to remind Satan that we are watching him and his
angels.  Satan’s time is up.  He is trying to
destroy as many humans as possible before he is
bound and cast into a pit.  Our commander in chief,
Jesus Christ, wants as many as will to accept him
and follow his commandments before it is too late.
REPENT!  THE END IS NEAR!

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

As we prepare to meet another day…  I would like to read for you from Leviticus 1.  Chapter 4, Jackson 5…
“Take heed and eat,  this is my body…  How do you like it?”

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

You flaming jackass, a lot of my good friends were atheists that died in
foxholes, my half brother Donald Keep was one of them. Atheists do not
create the need for foxholes, we leave that to the bible thumping morons that
cannot tolerate other beliefs.

By christian96, September 15 at 4:38 pm #

There are no atheists in foxholes!  Just foxes!

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

A pleasure to meet you as well. When you get back come and see me at Osco
Illinois and I will give you a good job. Stay safe.

By shemp333, September 15 at 4:16 pm #

stcfarms.  It is my pleasure to meet you mate.  I gotta tell you,  after that last
blast I wish I was 20 miles off the coast of anywhere but here!  I’m alright
though.  Everything that happens here you’ve gotta take it in stride.  Still
keepin’ the faith as Billy Joel says!

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By Angel Gabriel, September 15, 2009 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment
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And they’re buying a Stairway to Heaven! Snort!!

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By StuartH, September 15, 2009 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

“Each small candle lights a corner of the dark.”

Indeed.  We sometimes forget that human beings are all one species that isn’t
nearly as old as worms.  (500 million to our couple of hundred thousand to
maybe over a million.)

Are there religious difference among the worms?  Somebody, somewhere will
probably write a thesis on that, if they haven’t already.

One of the things I hope for is that this very method of communicating over
the internet will one day lead to a preference for dialogue over conflict.  I don’t
know how long it will take for this to occur, but maybe the stresses that people
are feeling worldwide will lead to us seek a better way sooner rather than later. 

Amazing that you’re typing in a computer from where you are.  The history of
that region is a huge contrast to your ability to provide a conscious awareness
around the world.  Maybe you are the cradle of civilization.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

Hey Roger,

I’ll drink from your cup.  But I wouldn’t if it was full of Kool Aid!!!

HAHAHA!

Thanks bro.  I’m coming home in a plane,  not a box.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment

Foxes are one cool mammal.  I’d rather be in one of those holes with him,  than with you and your fairy tail.

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By Rodger Lemonde, September 15, 2009 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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shemp333
You get to see first hand how ” Nothing separates
people like a common God”.
Hang in there. Come home safe and soon.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

StuartH,

  Thanks for all you said.  It means more than you know to me.  And it really does take the wind out of my sails some days being here.  There are some great moments though that make it all worthwhile.  I have met some very intellectual Iraqis who I now call the best of friends.  It is a one of a kind experience to be able to say that.  Like any group,  there are good ones,  there are bad ones,  and there are great ones.  I’ve been keen on getting to know the great ones.  There are some wonderful people here.  I am so surprised that they come out that way in spite of the regional difficulties, which are enormous. 
  One of my best friends here is a 20 year old Iraqi from downtown Baghdad.  I swear his mind is so sharp it cuts me thinking about how he came to be in spite of all this religious hatred. 
  Each small candle lights a corner of the dark.

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By christian96, September 15, 2009 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

There are no atheists in foxholes!  Just foxes!

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By StuartH, September 15, 2009 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

shemp333:

You take care and come back stronger than ever.  How long have you been over
there? 

It isn’t a downer to here from you.  A little dose of reality from where you are
isn’t a bad thing at all. 

This war in Afghanistan began as local farmboys were being played on either
side by the Soviets or the US so we could have a fight without nukes.

It only became religious because the geniuses at Langley (Robert Gates
included) decided if they gave money and shoulder fired rockets to the kids,
and encouraged their religious extremism, we could have a lot of fun at the
Soviet’s expense.  Not so much fun now.

I hope that somehow you can come home, and soon.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms.  It is my pleasure to meet you mate.  I gotta tell you,  after that last blast I wish I was 20 miles off the coast of anywhere but here!  I’m alright though.  Everything that happens here you’ve gotta take it in stride.  Still keepin’ the faith as Billy Joel says!

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

I was a sailor, war was not that bad for us. We sat 20 miles off the coast and
delivered 5” shells to numbers supplied by real soldiers.

By shemp333, September 15 at 3:55 pm #

Hey guys come on!

  I’m sorry if I brought a downer to this thread.  Just reporting in from the real
world as it turns. 
  stcfarms,  What you said reminded me of the movie Platoon.  “I think now…
Looking back.  We did not fight the enemy…  we fought ourselves.  And the
enemy,  was in us.”

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By StuartH, September 15, 2009 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

The Bible is an edited selection of works that were adopted in a conference in
300ad.  The purpose was partly religious, but mostly political.

Religion was used as a tool of state for building both political and economic
forms of social control, as the nation state and the empire arose, based on it.

A lot of the hatred for paganism, for instance derived from the fact that Celts,
which were essentially nature worshippers, what we might today refer to as
pantheists, were the predominant religious form of worship before medieval times in Europe.  When Europeans began to emigrate to the Americas they brought this hatred for the ancient ways with them and inflicted this on indigenous Americans.

Christian priests linked with the power of the state used the authority to torture and publicly execute people who were “pagans” or “heathens.”  Both terms actually derive from words for country people.  Their great sin was really refusing to buy into the new regimentation that demanded that people become serfs and serve the state as soldiers. 

That is the real history.  Jesus got lost in the morass of politics and war a long time ago.  Probably already by 300ad.  This is the reason a lot of so-called Christians would rather quote the Bible than cite history.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

Hey guys come on!

  I’m sorry if I brought a downer to this thread.  Just reporting in from the real world as it turns. 
  stcfarms,  What you said reminded me of the movie Platoon.  “I think now… Looking back.  We did not fight the enemy…  we fought ourselves.  And the enemy,  was in us.”

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Iraq and Afghanistan are where the fundamentalists of all sides are testing
their weapons for Armageddon. I caught the show in 1967 but revivals will
always be popular until the morons figure out that the bible was just a poorly
written novel. I suspect christian will give you the crap about no atheists in
foxholes now…

By shemp333, September 15 at 2:25 pm #

Hey guys!

  I was away from the switch here for a bit.  I’m in Iraq in the Green Zone and
we just had a mortar land RIGHT next to our compound.  I gotta tell ya,  the
fireworks over here aren’t any of the sort that you’d want to see.  This BOOM
shook my room so hard my heart skipped a few beats.  The ambulances just
left.  I really hope no one was killed.  But it does not look like my hoping
helped.  One of my friends here said it best.  If you hear the blast you know
you’re still alive.
  The example of religious hatred towards faiths different from one another is
really on display here.  After listening to women scream and cry for the last
hour it does make the importance of this issue really sink in.
  The casualties are all Iraqis.  They live in an apartment building next to us. 
There were 3 mortars.  Only one landed next to me.  I’m not sure where the
others landed as we are to stay in our rooms.

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By dihey, September 15, 2009 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

Expat in Germany: it apparently also depends on where in Germany because my kids went to public elementary school in Heidelberg where there are no crucifixes or pictures o Jesus in the classroom. Do you by chance live in Bavaria?

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Hey guys!

  I was away from the switch here for a bit.  I’m in Iraq in the Green Zone and we just had a mortar land RIGHT next to our compound.  I gotta tell ya,  the fireworks over here aren’t any of the sort that you’d want to see.  This BOOM shook my room so hard my heart skipped a few beats.  The ambulances just left.  I really hope no one was killed.  But it does not look like my hoping helped.  One of my friends here said it best.  If you hear the blast you know you’re still alive.
  The example of religious hatred towards faiths different from one another is really on display here.  After listening to women scream and cry for the last hour it does make the importance of this issue really sink in.
  The casualties are all Iraqis.  They live in an apartment building next to us.  There were 3 mortars.  Only one landed next to me.  I’m not sure where the others landed as we are to stay in our rooms.

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By RAE, September 15, 2009 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

christian96 offered: “Jesus appeared in the
room(without walking through the door) and ask
Thomas in John 20:27, “Take your hand and touch my
hands and side and BE NOT FAITHLESS, but believing.”
Then in verse 28 Jesus continued, “Thomas, because
you have seen me you believe; BLESSED are those who
have not seen, and yet believe.”  That’s FAITH.”

No… THAT’S BS! Look at that text. It’s written as DIRECT QUOTES… I DEFY anyone to offer ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Jesus & Thomas ever had such a meeting or said any such things. Just because someone named John is said to have authored this nonsense DOES NOT MAKE IT SO. There is no evidence this “John” was even there or, for that matter, even authored the text, or for that matter, even EXISTED.

John WHO? When and where was he born? PROVE IT. Where’s his documentation? Who were his parents? Siblings? Children? What did he do for a living? Where is he buried? PROVE ANY OF IT.

The whole thing is completely absurd. If FAITH enables people to actually accept and believe that such incidents actually occurred, then FAITH is some sort of mental illness. If it’s not listed yet in the DSM IV under “self-induced delusions” it should be. Only someone halucinating “sees” someone just “appear without walking through the door.”

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By StuartH, September 15, 2009 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

Christian96:

“Intelligent Christians are not opposed to Science.  They are opposed to false
scientific claims opposed to the truth taught by God.”

God is not in the argument.  Humans who think they have a handle on the
Divine are proposing what truth God would agree with.  All of us are equally
qualified to reach spiritual vision, which is why we each reach it differently.
There is no such thing as “truth taught by God” unless you consider those
people who see the Divine in observing nature, including scientists. 

You can’t abuse God by saying that everyone is wrong because only you have
God on your side of a human argument.  That won’t work.  Nobody can know
what God thinks or intends. That is simple hubris.  If you check the Bible there
is nothing in there that precludes any theory that scientists might be interested
in investigating. 

Science does not preclude interest in or belief in the spiritual side of things. 
That is entirely subjective.  You cannot measure the dimensions of the spirit
world or quantify what we do not have the ability to observe. 

It would seem that the problem is political, not spiritual.

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

You are thankful that the creature does not let you think on a conceptual level?
We are not laughing at the creature, it does not exist. We are laughing at the
incredibly dull witted people that defend that which is indefensible.

By christian96, September 15 at 1:42 pm #

Being thankful that we have something that someone else doesn’t have is not
what Christianity is all about.  It is about those of
us who have learning to love and share with those who have not

Stcfarms—-I would like to leave immediately but
can’t.  The world is full of ignorant people who
need to be educated.  Intelligent Christians are
not opposed to Science.  They are opposed to false
scientific claims opposed to the truth taught by
God.

There are those laughing at God on this site.  We’ll
see who gets the LAST laugh.  By the way, the bridge
is still for SALE!

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By christian96, September 15, 2009 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Being thankful that we have something that someone else doesn’t have is not what Christianity is all about.  It is about those of
us who have learning to love and share with those who have not

This was my response to the person who sent me the
e-mail “Heaven.” 

Stcfarms—-I would like to leave immediately but
can’t.  The world is full of ignorant people who
need to be educated.  Intelligent Christians are
not opposed to Science.  They are opposed to false
scientific claims opposed to the truth taught by
God.

Faith—-Thomas was one of the disciples of Jesus.
After the ressurection of Jesus Thomas refused to
believe until he could see some PROOF.  He was a
scientist of his day. Jesus appeared in the
room(without walking through the door) and ask
Thomas in John 20:27, “Take your hand and touch my
hands and side and BE NOT FAITHLESS, but believing.”
Then in verse 28 Jesus continued, “Thomas, because
you have seen me you believe; BLESSED are those who
have not seen, and yet believe.”  That’s FAITH.

There are those laughing at God on this site.  We’ll
see who gets the LAST laugh.  By the way, the bridge
is still for SALE!

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

Is that from the book of empty threats 5:14?

By keepyourheaddown, September 15 at 11:32 am #
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america wouldn’t know god if they fell over him…
what a pathetic bunch of losers…

and… you are all going to reap what you sow… no exceptions NONE!

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

At least in hell we will have better entertainment than the ‘good’ folks in
heaven.

By shemp333, September 15 at 11:21 am #

You guys gotta check this out.  It is laugh out loud hilarious!


Chevy Chase back in 70’s SNL playing minister of the Church of Confusion. 
Just classic!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PLNt-HKKAI


Enjoy!

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

Did the lobotomy hurt?

By christian96, September 15 at 11:12 am #

WHAT HAPPENS IN HEAVEN
This is one of the nicest e-mails I have seen and is so true:

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By Random Items, September 15, 2009 at 9:05 am Link to this comment
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FYI hell is so dark ages,
and not very BCE.

http://ecclesia.org/truth/hell.html

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By Random Items, September 15, 2009 at 8:50 am Link to this comment
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christian96
You aren’t ‘dealing with it’ very well.
By the way your THEORY implies that both the wicked
and the righteous get eternal life after death. As
such it is not supported in the Bible.
Alas faith require no proof. Which is why reasoning
minds question it. Also this is why many fallacies
arise in the defense of religion due to faith in
imperfect and unsupported interpretations.
Essentially the argument against Darwin is a
projection of the faults with the case for religion.

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By keepyourheaddown, September 15, 2009 at 8:32 am Link to this comment
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america wouldn’t know god if they fell over him…
what a pathetic bunch of losers…

and… you are all going to reap what you sow… no exceptions NONE!

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By StuartH, September 15, 2009 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

Christianity has really been driven into the ditch by the loudest few among the
tent revivalists.  Eager to grab the wheel, they will destroy the vehicle. 

If one were to collect a description of the religion from the utterings of these
people, Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with the ethical system
articulated by Jesus of Nazareth, as reported by the gospel writers.  Zero. Zip.

Christians apparently have Calvin and various harsh Puritans at the center, not
Jesus.  The Bible is completely silent on anything having to do with science, yet
Christians are decidedly anti-science whatever the subject.  Apparently Jesus
was into guns and far from “turning the other cheek” was more like a Dirty
Harry who would blow away poor people, and especially Muslims.  How would
he really react to his role as a Marlboro Cowboy for the gun manufacturers?

The irony is that (as some people will explain) for many people, Christianity
was too liberal, so Mohammed, in reaction, moved back towards a more
conservative Old Testament sort of vision. 

Perhaps modern Christians have more in common with Muslims than they
realize, although their prejudice against learning anything prevents this insight
from being considered. 

The truth is in our history. 

Our DNA, so far, has been traced back to root Cro Magnon ancestors in Africa
around 100,000 or so years ago.  So, we are all black.  Skin color is only about
sunlight intensity or UV exposure.  Melanin is a natural sun block, and it
regulates the amount of Vitamin D that the body takes in.  All of us are exactly
the same in the way this works.  The fact that a lot of Christians seem capable
of racial prejudice and use religion to justify it, is no different from the Catholic
church banning Galileo for discovering that planets revolve around the sun.

Most likely the real reason that Christians don’t like evolutionary theory is
because the skin of African primates is black, for the same reason that human
skin is or is not infused with a percentage of melanin. 

To me, it means that conservative, Old Testament oriented Christians are
distorting the religion because it serves the end of exerting political power
over the part of the population made most nervous by modernism. 

The louder they get, the less credibility they deserve.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 8:21 am Link to this comment

You guys gotta check this out.  It is laugh out loud hilarious!

Chevy Chase back in 70’s SNL playing minister of the Church of Confusion.  Just classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PLNt-HKKAI

Enjoy!

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

stcfarms that last one made me laugh out loud man!

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By christian96, September 15, 2009 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

WHAT HAPPENS IN HEAVEN
This is one of the nicest e-mails I have seen and is so true:

I dreamt that I went to Heaven and an angel was showing me around. We walked side-by-side inside a large workroom filled with angels… My angel guide stopped in front of the first section and said,  ‘This is the Receiving Section. Here, all petitions to God said in prayer are received.’

I looked around in this area, and it was terribly busy with so many angels sorting out petitions written on voluminous paper sheets and scraps from people all over the world. 

Then we moved on down a long corridor until we reached the second section.
The angel then said to me, ‘This is the Packaging and Delivery Section. Here, the graces and blessings the people asked for are processed and delivered to the living persons who asked for them.’ I noticed again how busy it was there. There were many angels working hard at that station, since so many blessings had been requested and were being packaged for delivery to Earth.

Finally at the farthest end of the long corridor we stopped at the door of a very small station. To my great surprise, only one angel was seated there, idly doing nothing.  ‘This is the Acknowledgment Section,’ my angel friend quietly admitted to me. He seemed embarrassed.  ‘How is it that there is no work going on here?’ I asked.

‘So sad,’ the angel sighed. ‘After people receive the blessings that they asked for, very few send back acknowledgments.’

‘How does one acknowledge God’s blessings?’ I asked.

‘Simple,’ the angel answered. ‘Just say, Thank you, Lord.’

‘What blessings should they acknowledge?’ I asked.

‘If you have food in the refrigerator, clothes on your back, a roof overhead and a place to sleep you are richer than 75% of this world. If you have money in the bank, in your wallet, and spare change in a dish, you are among the top 8% of the world’s wealthy.’ 

‘And if you get this on your own computer, you are part of the 1% in the world who has that opportunity.’

‘If you woke up this morning with more health than illness… You are more blessed than the many who will not even survive this day.’ 

‘If you have never experienced the fear in battle, the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture, or the pangs of starvation .. You are ahead of 700 million people in the world.’

‘If you can attend a place of worship without the fear of harassment, arrest, torture or death you are envied by, and more blessed than, three billion people in the world..’

‘If your parents are still alive and still married ..you are very rare.’

‘If you can hold your head up and smile, you are not the norm, you’re unique to all those in doubt and despair.’
Ok, what now? How can I start?

If you can read this message, you just received a double blessing in that someone was thinking of you as very special and you are more blessed than over two billion people in the world who cannot read at all.
Have a good day, count your blessings , and if you care to, pass this along to remind everyone else how blessed we all are.

ATTN: Acknowledge Dept .
‘Thank you Lord, for giving me the ability to share this message and for giving me so many wonderful people with whom to share it. ’

If you have read this far, and are thankful for all that you have been blessed with, how can you not send it???? I thank God for everything, especially all my family and friends!!

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

Religion may have served as a positive social cohesion in the distant past,  like before critical thinking came to our minds.  Faith,  by definition,  is the antithesis of critical thought.  You must have faith in order to believe something that has absolutely no physical evidence to support it.
  Science, on the other hand,  is soley based on physical evidence.  Not preconceived ideas.  If new evidence comes into being on a subject,  then the view from science changes.  The fact that the evidence for evolution keeps piling higher and higher into mountains is why the theory of evolution is held true by scientists.  It is almost inconceivable that something would be found which would refute Darwin’s theory.  The evidence supporting it is too strong.  The conclusion has already been agreed upon.  It’s just getting everyday joe and jane 6 pack up to speed that has proven difficult.  All because of religion.
  It is an impediment to a person’s ability to think and learn.

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

Can you leave now?

By christian96, September 15 at 10:34 am #

I’m going to Heaven FOREVER

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By expat in germany, September 15, 2009 at 8:06 am Link to this comment
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Jon Steele,

Depends on where you live in Europe. I’m in Germany, where my kids are forced to take religion class and there is a crucifix on every corner.

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

In theory I would have to agree with you but in fact the 61% that believe in
creation control over half of the nukes.  When you consider that their
imaginary being demands a war between ‘good and evil’ it becomes incumbent
upon us to show them the path to enlightenment. Since 1945 the god meme
has developed teeth and can no longer be considered just another harmless,
mindless cult.

By RAE, September 15 at 10:11 am #

What the hell does it matter?

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By RAE, September 15, 2009 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

“I’m going to Heaven FOREVER and you atheists
idiots are going to Hell FOREVER!”

I sure hope so. The thought of being stuck FOREVER in some fluffy cloud full of deadairhead BELIEVERS is enough to start me really “sinning!” I want to make sure of my “direction” when the sand runs out of my timer.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

But fantasy land is where heaven and hell are!

LOL

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By christian96, September 15, 2009 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

In fantasy land a person can spell, use grammatical
structure, and imagine what they want! SO GET OVER
IT! I’m going to Heaven FOREVER and you atheists
idiots are going to Hell FOREVER!  And that’s the
rest of the story!

P. S.—-I’m considering lowering the price of the
bridge in these bad economic times.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

Awwwwww!

Come on RAE!  It’s so much fun and easy to make fun of creationists!  They’re almost as easy as retarded people.  Or fat kids with down syndrome!

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By RAE, September 15, 2009 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

What the hell does it matter?

WE ALL ARE GOING TO DIE AND RETURN TO DUST/ASHES NEVER TO BE SEEN OR HEARD FROM AGAIN.

Those of you who fantasize you’re going to heaven or someplace where you’ll meet all those who’ve gone before can look up Darwin and argue with him then. (The insanity that the hundreds of billions of humans who’ve lived and died are all milling around in some “heaven” is so ludicrous that I actually can’t stop laughing at the notion and all those who actually, in the 21st Century, BELIEVE IT - but that’s another one to discuss after I’ve had a few beers.)

Why on earth does what OTHERS BELIEVE matter a damn to YOU? Believe whatever you want to believe, keeping in mind that YOU HAVE NO MORE LEGITIMATE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS THAN ANYBODY ELSE HAS TO BACK UP THEIRS. It’s a “Mexican Standoff” - FOREVER.

SOOOOO…. GET OOOOOOVER IT!

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By stcfarms, September 15, 2009 at 6:51 am Link to this comment

All caps is the internet equivalent of yelling. As a general rule of thumb people
yell when they know that their argument is weak. The subject in question has a
bridge for sell, not for sale, indicating a lack of language skills. If the subject
had stayed awake in school he would have known that inanimate objects do
not evolve and 100 billion years predates the known universe. Of course the
phoney bank and imaginary bridge leads one to believe that the subject is
either delusional or a criminal.

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By Anarcissie, September 15, 2009 at 6:30 am Link to this comment

Ouroborus:
‘At the risk of seeming to defend creationists; That
statistic of 39% is probably true. ...’

It’s a little bit lower than some figures I’ve seen, but you could probably get results like that polling in the parking lot of a downscale supermarket.  I don’t see how it supports Creationism.  A great many people do not seem to think anything coherent, and will give contradictory answers to questions about anything not in their immediate experience.  This isn’t the same as coherently maintaining flat-earth theory, flying saucers, Creationism, or certain other beliefs I won’t mention for fear of setting off a froth-fest.

People believe what they want, as long as it isn’t too much work—as witness the numerous people, including the editors of Truthdig, who want to believe the theory of a single producer no one ever heard of that a movie about Darwin can’t be distributed because only 39% of the people believe in Evolution.  If they had to defend this belief rationally, they’d probably find something else to do.  But, as noted, it makes a good pretext to recite one’s settled prejudices about religion, which many people find an amusing if repetitious pastime.

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 2:34 am Link to this comment

christian96,

  You are so proud of your stupitidy.  It’s as if you are standing on a soapbox and screaming…  “Look at me!  Look how stupid I can be!”

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By shemp333, September 15, 2009 at 2:30 am Link to this comment

stcfarms,

My last comments were made after a party last night.  I was… a little bit drunk.  But I do see that His noodly appendages can go anywhere!  All praises to FSM!!!

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By Claus-Erik Hamle, September 15, 2009 at 2:09 am Link to this comment
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What about 99% chimp and 1% from outer space ? We may be no more than a scientific experiments. Another possibility is that we are descendants from few survivors following nuclear war somewhere else and we settled here? And it´s so long ago that we have forgotten all about it ? As Socrates pointed out, “The only thing we know is that we don´t know anything”.

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By Ouroborus, September 15, 2009 at 1:51 am Link to this comment

At the risk of seeming to defend creationists; That
statistic of 39% is probably true. I know people who
believe in creationism, but by no means the wacko
fringe variety. They have no problem with the fossil
record or other science and they don’t believe we
existed alongside the dinosaurs either. So, that figure
is a bit misleading. Unfortunately there is no hope for
the lunatic fringe who want a theocratic totalitarian
form of government. Now that shivers my timbers.

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By Bill, September 15, 2009 at 12:02 am Link to this comment
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Evolution?  For the United States,  the world is waiting.

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By christian96, September 14, 2009 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

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OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY.  GREAT INVESTMENT.

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By glider, September 14, 2009 at 10:50 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie

I think everyone is just having fun with the old is their a god debate.  That is probably the impetus behind the article.  It pushes a lot of buttons grin

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By Anarcissie, September 14, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

glider:
‘By Anarcissie
“How do we know this movie is being refused distribution because it’s controversial?”

I agree with you on this point.  The story seems contrived.  Since when is a movie not released because the audience may only be 39% of the population?  By that standard no children’s movies would exist.  If there is a conspiracy to keep the movie out of theatre’s there would be a more interesting story to be had out of doing some more research.’

Yet everyone here (except enlightened you and I) believes in the story.

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By RubberPimple, September 14, 2009 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

StuartH - While I take your point regarding the limits of the human brain, a
point of order. Our inability to perceive UV light is not a limitation of the brain.
Rather, it is a limitation of the particular sensors (eyes, photosensitive rod and
cone cells) that generate the electrical signals that are eventually relayed to the
brain which uses them to construct what we call our sense of vision.

“Nature” could just have easily developed in our species the mechanisms to
perceive this particular manifestation of energy because it did so in myriad
other common species.

Indeed, if we could somehow pluck the various “sensor technologies”
developed by the evolutionary process for all the world’s organisms and slap
them on a human being, that person would frighteningly in touch with the
physical world and all the manifestations of energy within it, and probably not
one iota more in touch with some sort of “extra-physical” or “meta-physical”
or “mystical” universe, if such a thing even exists.

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By stcfarms, September 14, 2009 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

Glider,

Yes I was, I still am. Just because the adults believed in fairy tales in no way
obligated me to believe in fairy tales.

Shemp 333,

Only half of the mark of the beast? The flying spaghetti monster? You
pastafarian!

By glider, September 14 at 8:20 pm #


stcfarms,
you were a precocious little sucker weren’t you.
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By shemp333, September 14 at 8:13 pm #


Religion is the way backwards.  Scientific thinking is the only path forward. 
You deal with it,  dumb asses!  And you make me giggle…  About how
uneducated you are!
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By shemp333, September 14 at 8:01 pm #


Yes!!!  It is all so true!  God is nothing that is or ever will be explained! 
Halejulia!  I love ignorance!  Praise be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!

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By Rodger Lemonde, September 14, 2009 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

Note that an all seeing, all knowing, all wise God did
not create Christians. Man created Christianity. How’s
that for a new perspective? Was that an evolution or a
revolution?

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By glider, September 14, 2009 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms,
you were a precocious little sucker weren’t you.

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By shemp333, September 14, 2009 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

Religion is the way backwards.  Scientific thinking is the only path forward.  You deal with it,  dumb asses!  And you make me giggle…  About how uneducated you are!

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By shemp333, September 14, 2009 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

Yes!!!  It is all so true!  God is nothing that is or ever will be explained!  Halejulia!  I love ignorance!  Praise be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!

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By stcfarms, September 14, 2009 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

Actually I first used it in fourth grade. The nun asked us to write where we
thought god came from. She refused to accept my claim that god did not exist
so I wrote the vacuum theory, fortunately she did not understand a word of it.

By glider, September 14 at 7:02 pm #

Actually I am a bit of a sucker for that joke as I consider the Universe(s) to be
God.

Hmmm, I guess you making fun of physicists.  Sometimes I think they deserve
it

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By glider, September 14, 2009 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms,

Actually I am a bit of a sucker for that joke as I consider the Universe(s) to be God.

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By glider, September 14, 2009 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms

Hmmm, I guess you making fun of physicists.  Sometimes I think they deserve it grin

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By dihey, September 14, 2009 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

Quote: “However, US distributors have resolutely passed on a film which will prove hugely divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll conducted in February, only 39 per cent of Americans believe in the theory of evolution”.

Holy frigolie! Please get it into your head that believing is done in church. I do not believe in the theory of evolution. I understand that it is the best scientific explanation of why I am here where I am.

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By stcfarms, September 14, 2009 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

It is a joke, although it makes every bit as much sense as the creation lie. Of
course the ‘energy’ is not in the vacuum but rather it is from the air pressure
outside of the hemispheres. In 50 years of using the joke only one person has
ever found the flaw. At least my statement was coherent.

By glider, September 14 at 4:59 pm #

stcfarms

Your statement which essentially sounds like nonsense.  Nothingness is pure
energy, is redundant.

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By glider, September 14, 2009 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms

Your statements sound like nonsense.  Your saying nothingness is pure energy, which is redundant.

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By glider, September 14, 2009 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms

Your statement which essentially sounds like nonsense.  Nothingness is pure energy, is redundant.

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By jon steele, September 14, 2009 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment
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‘only 39% of americans believe in evolution.’ 
and people wonder why i choose to live in europe.

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By stcfarms, September 14, 2009 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

In the beginning there was nothing, this is indisputable. The universe was
devoid of matter of any sort, this describes a perfect vacuum. As you know a
pure vacuum is pure energy (see the experiment of the evacuated
hemispheres, by Guericke in 1657). A pure vacuum is unstable and tries to
gain equilibrium by converting energy to mass, this was the first act of
creation. This is proof that the vacuum is the creator. All of the major religions
agree that god is the creator (it is only at this point that we must drift into the
nether realms of myth and unproven theory). If indeed god is the creator, then
the vacuum must be god. To my knowledge the vacuum has never spoken or
created any laws, outside of the laws of physics, which we all must obey.

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By Dave24, September 14, 2009 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

God is an idea, nothing more.  Over 16% of the United States declares no
religious affiliation: that is a huge untapped voting block unexploited by
politicians and ignored, apparently, by Hollywood.

America is filled with uneducated, blind, indoctrinated morons, and the scary
thing is that these people vote.

Darwin dethroned mankind’s self-instated place in the cosmos, and rightly so. 
All animals, humans included, are connected: it’s a beautiful realization that is
only diminished by the idea that some father-figure in the sky created us
humans separately.

Religion and those who believe in it are pathetic on so many levels, yet they are
the ones who claim monopolies on morality, spirituality, and truth.

And NOMA is a bunch of crap as well.  Looking at Nature without filter is the
point of science: religion IMPOSES itself upon Nature under the guise of
objective truth.

Religion is myth: science is a mode to understand what Nature tells us.

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By AmericanDream, September 14, 2009 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

*aren’t

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By AmericanDream, September 14, 2009 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Scientists have stated the odds we are related to chimps are about 1 in 10^83.  A number we cannot actually fathom.  This is based on statistical analysis of DNA.

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By glider, September 14, 2009 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

By Anarcissie
“How do we know this movie is being refused distribution because it’s controversial?”

I agree with you on this point.  The story seems contrived.  Since when is a movie not released because the audience may only be 39% of the population?  By that standard no children’s movies would exist.  If there is a conspiracy to keep the movie out of theatre’s there would be a more interesting story to be had out of doing some more research.


Christian96,

“What about the simple fact that DNA requires protein to exist and protein requires DNA to exist.  Did they evolved at the same time?  If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you!”

Please face yourself.  You want to “believe” in the bible and your “thinking” is merely an exercise in rationalizing your belief.  You are not seeking the truth.  It is that simple.  A case in point for you.  You pick the above dilemma to refute the reasonableness of the theory of evolution.  Yes, what you describe is difficult to grasp on the human level of our day to day existence.  But given the size of the Universe, the vast number of interactions on the planets over billions of years, what seems improbable from the view of our puny 50 year lifetime observations may easily be probable.  A scientist’s response is to search for logical theories with supporting proof to explain such dilemmas.  Your response is to read a bible riddled with even more improbable dilemmas and sit in church eating the body and drinking the blood of a so-called “Christ” every weekend.  Here is a tip for you.  If you want to believe in this charade the safest fall back position for you is that God created evolution.  No scientist can prove otherwise, and you can continue to delude yourself in safety.

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By stcfarms, September 14, 2009 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

You could be on to something there. A chimp is said to have an
IQ of about 70 and hard core fundamentalists have an IQ of
about 70. Perhaps they did not evolve from chimps but actually
are chimps.

By Rodger Lemonde, September 14 at 1:36 pm #
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Here is another Theory. Evolution only applies to those
with a triple digit IQ.

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By Robert Mendez, September 14, 2009 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
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A more interesting question to ask and explore is why is it that science, and its professionals, haven’t taken on the parts of religion which we know are false, like the Bible, Koran, and all other texts deemed to “know” the story and history of the Gods.  These books, these stories, can easily be reckoned with science as they have nothing to offer that is “evidence” but are a collage of myths and beliefs that need to be shelved in the departments that follow such folk lore or mythical doctrine.  They have no use in our legal or educational discussions.

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By The Mad Loon, September 14, 2009 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

A belief in God and evolution need not be mutually exclusive. One can still believe in God and still believe that evolution is all part of his master plan.

Ceationism however is is not a viable theory as there is no evidence to support it on the contrary all available evidence totally debunks it

WE DID NOT WALK AMONG THE DINOSAURS.

The bible teaches us that we are all gods creatures so why is it difficult to believe that we are all related to one another.Only once we accept this fundamental truth can we experience true balance in life and protect our planet for all eternity

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By Rodger Lemonde, September 14, 2009 at 10:36 am Link to this comment
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Here is another Theory. Evolution only applies to those
with a triple digit IQ.

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By Robert Mendez, September 14, 2009 at 10:08 am Link to this comment
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Chaotic Good’s story about having a “pet” chimp is, at a certain level, touching, though hard to believe given the fact that chimps past the 2 year-old age are extremely difficult to manage as we might a dog or other pet.  The difficult part is the statement that we “share a common ancestor” because we share a common ancestor with all life.  Go back far enough, and there was a common ancestor that gave rise to bacteria, and to vertebrates a group we are a part of.  Those uncomfortable with this logic, may consider asking how DNA identities are used to send people to their death or free them from claims of heinous crimes, because these same id’s are used to relate all living creatures.  The reason to understand our origins is not to be kind to other living creatures, though that would be a bonus, but the reason we should is because we are the only living creature able to do so, fundamentalist naysayers aside.

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