Folktruther, September 9 at 5:45 pm

Arguing with conspiracy theorists is a futile effort, any conflicting evidence is immediately added to the overall conspiracy thus no logic can win through.

I am certain that conspiracies exist, have existed in the past and will again in the future. But as to this specific conspiracy i.e. that the Trade Towers were dynamited, or brought down with a secret weapon of unknown origin ( you know you have seen that theory) I do not subscribe.

I have read engineering reports and architects dissertations noting the unique ( and against code) way that those towers were supported to give the impression of vast space. I had eaten several dinners at Windows on the World and seen that architecture first hand. That those buildings pancaked the way they did was the direct result of the way they were constructed, and had an exemption from NYC building codes because they were built on Port Authority land.

To lump all who refuse to buy into this theory, as you do, as phobic on the subject of conspiracies in general is a very weak argument and beneath you frankly. I believe that JFK was murdered at the behest of powerful men in Washington DC. I believe that his brother , Robert, was likewise murdered, because he threatened powerful people, organised crimelords.

I believe that conspiracies happen all the time, some come to fruition , some do not. I believe, also, that the Trade Towers were brought down by the airplanes I saw fly into them…In your eyes this makes me unworthy, so be it.

“I wish I could support your passionate belief that what happened on that date was the result of a conspiracy rather than the actions of extremists of muslim origination but I cannot.”

Ardee, you are ideologically insane, although, God knows, this is in no way an isolated event.  We all are.

Those of us that have purused the 9/11 truth evidence, however, know that planning a criminal act is a conspiracy, whther the Muslims did it alone, at all, or in conjunction with the elements of the Bushite administration.  The US power system has managed to conduct a sequence of murders and mass murders over historical time and made Americans emotionally afraid to say so by calling them conspiracy theorists.  And semi-Progressives, like Chomsky and Alex Cockburn pile on with the right wing.

Purple Girl—If you read her books, you will find plenty of facts. I dont think that she is a prosecutor, though. That would probably take AG Eric Holder.

Its hard enough getting him to go after low-hanging fruit like the little guys at the CIA.

Interviews who Whom?
The Criminals themselves?
The people who aided them or turned a blind eye?
Or the Outspoken Liberals who weren’t able to convince people of the covert agenda at the time?
Frankly I’ve had enough opinions, now I want to see the step by step process which brought their disasterous policies to fruition.
Give me the timeline, the series of events, the evidence to convict finally convict them!!
What creditability does any of those ‘in the know’ have? They were either part of it,too stupid to realize it or did not, or could not, do a thing about it.
‘Opinions are like assholes everyones got one’, but when it comes to ‘fact’ there is only One.
Klein does not need opinions to prove the Shock doctrine was in play- she needs the concrete set of Facts.

After watching “When the Levees Broke”, the right person for the job would have been Spike Lee.

I agree with others who have posted about MS Klein… she’s a gem, prophetic, clear eyes.

-Wexler

TAO—maybe true but better now than not at all.

Everything that has happened since 9/11….has happened since 9/11.  The things 911truthdotorg is referring to specifically were in-fact already part of “the program” long before that Day, however.  They were, of course, amplified and accelerated CONsiderably by the “event”....and its carefully stage-managed aftermath right up to this Day.

Had theamericanpeople been on the receiving-end of the five hundred years of the holocaust here on Turtle Island, instead of serving so slap-happily as part of its ‘delivery-system,’ they probably wouldn’t've been nearly so (pardon the expression) blown-away by what was actually a rather insignifacant episode in the long globe-girdling career of “civilization,” here in its dying days, anyhow.  A mere 3,000 deaths and the CONtrolled demolition of some obsolete real-estate, even in such spectacular fashion, is nothing at all to get so worked-up about.

If it was, as some maintain, a “wake-up call,” people might better’ve woken-up to the dead-end of their domestication, instead of to the “shock” of their own “government” apparatus suddenly exposed for the instrument of oppression it has always been….behind the facade of “....of by and for the people,” which it never has.

Naomi Klein’s insights are certainly revelatory….to those who haven’t been paying attention this half-millennium.  Here in Indian Country some of us holocaust survivors’ve been wondering what took you guys so long to figure it out.

HokaHey!

Its ridiculous to discount all that Klein has done, just because she disagrees with some on 9/11.

If “9/11 Truthers” werent quite so adament and histrionic at denouncing anyone who disagrees with any part of their theory, people might be more wiling to listen. I might be.

It is not a question of agreeing with me or not.
It’s a question of the TRUTH - of what REALLY happened on 9/11. Not the convenient political cover-up “truth” - the TRUTH!

Without meaning to antagonize it seems that you mean “the truth’ as you determine it to be.
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9/11 is THE most important issue. Period. It is the foundation for every atrocity that has taken place since then. Two wars with no end, (three if you count Pakistan), the Constitution being decimated along with our rights, privacy, freedom to travel…and on and on.

I agree that the events of 9/11 have determined much of what has occured since, thus a reason to believe the investigations thereof were superficial may hold water. I wish I could support your passionate belief that what happened on that date was the result of a conspiracy rather than the actions of extremists of muslim origination but I cannot.

If someone of her stature would have the courage to say that, at the very least, we need a new, true 9/11 investigation, well, then maybe people might take notice.

But she, like most of the population of the USA does not support your belief, thus she will not say what you wish she would. This does not mean she lacks courage, only that she lacks your belief system…..

Naomi Klein is a major leaguer all the way. Her work is as cutting edge as it gets.

What a great one for our side.

By The Mad Loon, August 30 at 1:49 pm #
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How boring life would be if we all agreed on everything.

While I agree with you re 9/11, her refusal to believe as we do does nothing to diminish the importance of her work, which goes far beyond The Shock Doctrine.

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It is not a question of agreeing with me or not.
It’s a question of the TRUTH - of what REALLY happened on 9/11. Not the convenient political cover-up “truth” - the TRUTH!

9/11 is THE most important issue. Period. It is the foundation for every atrocity that has taken place since then. Two wars with no end, (three if you count Pakistan), the Constitution being decimated along with our rights, privacy, freedom to travel…and on and on.

If someone of her stature would have the courage to say that, at the very least, we need a new, true 9/11 investigation, well, then maybe people might take notice.

By 911truthdotorg, August 30 at 1:42 pm #

Naomi Klein refuses to even entertain the possibility that 9/11 is NOT what the “official” story says it is.

How she won’t even consider the possibility that elements in this country made the “shock” happen, boggles my mind.

I guess all she wants to do is sell books.

The only truth that we’ve been told about 9/11 is that 3,000 people were slaughtered.
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How boring life would be if we all agreed on everything.

While I agree with you re 9/11, her refusal to believe as we do does nothing to diminish the importance of her work, which goes far beyond The Shock Doctrine.

Naomi Klein refuses to even entertain the possibility that 9/11 is NOT what the “official” story says it is.

How she won’t even consider the possibility that elements in this country made the “shock” happen, boggles my mind.

I guess all she wants to do is sell books.

The only truth that we’ve been told about 9/11 is that 3,000 people were slaughtered.

I too was once a fan of Moore unfortunately he seems more interested in self promotion these days than doing good work. But I still watch old episodes of the Awful Truth from time to time.It’s too bad he has lost his way.

Mad Loon—ditto!

liecatcher—Moore is a good filmmaker, but has not remained true to the values he espouses in them. For example,, he promised not to back any candidate who wasnt for withdrawing from both Iraq and Afghanistan , as well as for universal health care.

He got neither one in Obama but backed him anyway.

Moore seems to be too worried about being liked to do any really “in your face” docs anymore—but we will see…

The Shock Doctrine is a must read for everyone.It is one of the most important pieces of journalism of our times.

Her research is bullet proof which is why our masters have been so silent regarding this book, lest they publicize it further. Because the last thing they want is more people to read it.

I always thought of my self as socially and politically aware, however after reading The Shock Doctrine I realized that my knowledge of the manipulation of world events only scratched the surface.My only hope for this film is that it gets more people to read this very important book

Although an early review of the film by the Hollywood Reporter described it as “a rough, disjointed doc that fails to get across Naomi Klein’s arguments against disaster capitalism”, Variety found it superior to many contemporary musings on the same subject.

One might guess that the author wanted the film to be true to her vision, and it seems it might not be. A not uncommon occurrence when a book becomes a movie. That’s why I generally stick to the book.

It’s too bad Michael Moore didn’t approach Naomi Klein

first. His Fahrenheit 9/11 & Sicko show that he would

be true to her brilliant message.

Probably the personal items will have more impact than the third person narrative would in her opinion.

Its hard to tell here what the problem really is…if it was going to betray the message of her book, I am glad she disowned it. Its hard to believe it was just over ‘narration” vs interviews. but who knows?

I would like to see it also…she is one of the greats, in my opinion.

Sad to hear that and will still want to watch the documentary and she still has her books.