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Posted on Apr 23, 2009
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Hosts Billy Bush and Nadine Velazquez listen as Miss California, Carrie Prejean, answers a question about legalizing same-sex marriage. The question was asked during Sunday’s Miss USA Pageant in Las Vegas by a pageant judge, Perez Hilton.

There must be more pressing priorities on their plate, but on Thursday members of Alabama’s House of Representatives officially signaled their support for Carrie Prejean, California’s representative in Sunday’s Miss USA pageant, by passing a resolution praising Prejean for saying that marriage should be only between a man and a woman.

AP via WAAYTV.com:

The House approved the resolution Thursday by Republican Rep. Jay Love of Montgomery on a voice vote.

Prejean was competing as Miss California and finished second after answering a question from judge Perez Hilton concerning gay marriage during Sunday night’s televised pageant. She said she felt marriage should be between a man and a woman.

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By KDelphi, April 28, 2009 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Leefeller—Like the US? Cant someone do better than that? Its made things worse in so many places…is it possible??

Why is everyone ignoring that she was Miss CALIFORNIA? I think that it is significant, in that Ca just passed Prop 8? You know, the “gay thing”? The topic of the question she was asked that Ala. is supporting?

ITW- I would agree. Let them go—-we would have to allow people who want to to move up north , though. There ARE good people in some of these states , you know.

But, there are Confederates up North, too. They could seceede with thme, making room for others…

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By Leefeller, April 28, 2009 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

Bet Alabama has two Senators, like Alaska and Texas too, so they have the same power as New Jersey or any other state, which says something about the politics of it all. Maybe we should invade Alabama like Iraq so it can become a Democracy like US?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 28, 2009 at 4:01 am Link to this comment

For every dollar Alabamians send to the Federal govt as taxes, the Fed spends $1.66 in Alabama—7th most in the country.  We liberals are subsidizing the obnoxious, radical Republican leadership of that state.  I suggest we stop until Alabama shows it can rule itself responsibly and throws out the KKK-based government of old Dixiecrat segregationists.

Source: http://taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

In fact, with the exception of Texas, I think ANY state that wants to leave the Union and form the new MSA should be allowed to, as long as it gets more revenue from the feds than it kicks in—like Alabama.  Texas can join the MSA since the majority down there are too stupid to figure out how bad it can get.

MSA: Mooching States of America.  From New Mexico to Georgia, these states get from $2.03 to $1.01 for every tax dollar they give.  Let them secede and see how far they get on their own without the rich, liberal states’ money! In NJ, we get $0.62 back! NY gets $0.79.

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By samosamo, April 27, 2009 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

By Michae, April 27 at 7:00 pm

I’ve heard through anonymous sources that an extreme State emergency was held up while this most important piece of legislative work was gone over and voted on.

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By Michae, April 27, 2009 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment

Alabama House Backed Miss CA !!! gawwwleeee! I am so surprized!

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By KDelphi, April 27, 2009 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

Where there are no telephone poles…its been a long time since I’ve seen that…especially since Gov Taft started charging people to go into state parks that we already pay for with property taxes…

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By samosamo, April 27, 2009 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

By RobertinWestbury, April 27 at 8:48 am

Something I like but hardly give it a thought, but you’re right about the beauty of a dirt road. Asphalt or concrete just doesn’t have that same appeal.

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By tomack, April 27, 2009 at 6:25 am Link to this comment

News Flash! This just in: 

Montana House passes resolution to pursue patent on “Big Sky” concept.

Nevada House passes resolution to support gambling in the Vatican

Oregon House passes resolution in support of The Pine Tree

New York House passes reolution to attract tourists

Texas House passes resolution to expand the usage of the term, Yeeee Haw! And also to secede from the USA.

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By RobertinWestbury, April 27, 2009 at 5:48 am Link to this comment

I have not seen a dirt road since I moved from Idaho 7 years ago to the NYC area.  I miss them.  There is a beauty to them. 

But not in winter when many cars sink to their rims in the mud.  More than once when visiting friends whose home was half a mile of the main paved road you’d have to park along that road and walk to their house.  Sometime sinking to your ankles in the mud. 

But dirt roads are lovely when dry or just damp.

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By Outraged, April 27, 2009 at 12:25 am Link to this comment

Re: benlink

Your comment: “However, to be generalize a bit in hopes of being more clear, it is the overall “us and them” attitude that I would like to see dissolved.”

I agree.  I don’t suppose that EVERYONE “sees” the beauty of a dirt road.  However, in my mind, there’s a tremendous amount of beauty in a dirt road.  ALL of us have our traits/concerns/proclivities and to OUTRIGHTLY deride wherein anyone finds beauty is simply narrow-mindedness.  If you find your strength smack dab in the center of the concrete jungle, I do not take issue with that.  I do understand that FOR THAT PERSON a strength is derived in that environment, so too… for those who find their strength in the dirt road environment, or a lake or maybe the night sky.

You’re right.  This isn’t an “us” v “them”, even when “their”(whatever the environment) attitudes are not what we know of them in the larger sense.  Rural America is not stupid (although in many cases the truth has been “with-held from them) and in this same vein neither are city folk ( and in this case they’ve purchased a “bum-steer).  I’ve lived in both.  Stupidity, ignorance and prejudices are not confined to one or the other.  It is about ALL OF US, and this is the overriding issue.

Hard work, empathy, concern and intelligence does not have “an environment”.  This is not to claim excuse for those who adhere to their erroneous teachings, but more one of understanding, empathetic concern and education.  I would not enter a culture completely foreign to me and DEMAND that they “get with the program” when in fact I have not experienced my OWN CULTURE/ENVIRONMENT showing the same.

We’re all in this together, one way or another.

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By benlink, April 26, 2009 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

I’m overwhelmed with the “this or that,” “either or,” Aristotelian thought here.  Catagorization as far as the eye can see!

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By KDelphi, April 26, 2009 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

I would probably defy lables, but, I have lived under Democratic Socialism, and, it is alot better, and more moral , than this crap.

I’m sure some Dems , or GOP, here, could think of some labels for me..lol..have at it.

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By lester333, April 26, 2009 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

I am left of kdelphi, Klein, and the democrats.  Apparently, we are all in the correct camp.  I am a proud anarchist in the chomsky sense.

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By benlink, April 26, 2009 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

lester333:  Undoubtedly, we would fall in accord on many things.  However, to be generalize a bit in hopes of being more clear, it is the overall “us and them” attitude that I would like to see dissolved. 
Unfortunately, this exchange is taking place beneath such a fickle and seemingly meaningless article concerning Miss America and Alabama figureheads taking figurehead-like stands within issues that are more symptomatic than problematic, thus adding more weight and more layers to peel back before reaching the root problem. 

Finally, to the subject of my grandmother, they grow they’re food and drink well water because it’s what they’ve always done, not because of some state of enlightenment.  This retrospective view of what once were necessities as enlightenment is very interesting to me, though, I must say.

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By KDelphi, April 26, 2009 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

lester333-Kleins’ book was HARDLY about just “right wing tortuterers”! NAFTA, and other predatory “free trade agreements”, purpetrated by the DLC,(and GOP) are known as the “second colonialisms” by Latin Am. The Balkans, Yeltisin and the Chicago School. I have Klein’s book right here—she mentions Dems almost as often as neo-cons.

It might be fun to blame everything on Alabama (I do that with Texas, just cause I am still waiting for my Bush rebate…), is it not hard not to notice that California just passed Prop 8! Excessive religiosity (well, any religion is excessive to me), but hardly confined to Right Wing. (wasnt this about a woman’s bigotry ie gays?) Pres. Obama is a strong follower of The Chicago School, with a Keynesian twist.

We just vowed to give about $2 trillion to the IMF, and this is what Klein says about their actions in the Southern Cone of South Am: (it applies elsewhere)

(Shock Doctrine, p158) “The Chicago Boys’ first adventure in the seventies should have served as a warning to humanity: theirs are dangerous ideas. By failing to hold the ideology accountable for the crimes commiteted in its first laboratory (South Am-mine), this subculture of unrepretant ideolgues was given immunity, freedom to scour the world for its next conquest (Balkans, Russa, Iraq—mine). These days, we are onec again living in an era of corporate massacres, with countries suffering tremendous military violence, alongside organized attempts to remake them into model “free market” economics (IMF, etc—mine); disappearances and torure are back with a vengeance. And once again, the goals of building freemarkets, and the need for such brutality, are treated as entirely unerelated”.

The point being, that both political parties and, most of the people of the uS still wish to pursue these torturous free mkt policies. BOTH parites and people in ALL of the uS are to blame.

This myth that the New Dems are dismantling the causes of all this war, bigotry, violence, and that they are unrelated, and, worse, that Klein suposretd this Dem notiotn, is just false. I may be Left of Klein, but she, is not a Democrat.

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By lester333, April 26, 2009 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

SIR:  FORGIVE ME!  I AM AN ATHEIST ALSO AND APOLOGIZE FOR DISPARAGING YOUR FAMILY, ALTHOUGH, MY USE OF YOUR GRAND MOTHER WAS ENTIRELY METAPHORICAL FOR THE IGNORANCE IN THIS STATE AND AROUND THE COUNTRY. THE CORPORATIONS DEPEND ON DUMBING DOWN.  WE ARE ON THE SAME TEAM ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS HARD TO IMAGINE A PERSON USING THE N WORD AS ENLIGHTENED AS YOUR GRAND PARENTS ARE.  SORRY, FRIEND, MAYBE THE WRITTTEN WORD IS AT FAULT.  THE INCOMPETENT SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT IS PART OF THE AWFUL REPUBLICAN RIGHT WING PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SHACKLED BY NO FUNDING TO GET THE JOB DONE.  THEIR INSISTENCE ON A “FREE MARKET” DOES NOTHING BUT TYRANNIZE PEOPLE WHICH CAUSES THEM TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE CREEPS ON THE TOP OF ALL THIS MISERY.

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By benlink, April 26, 2009 at 8:09 am Link to this comment

lester333:  You seem to have simultaneously wholly missed and illustrated my point.  A point which I stated, I thought, without smoke and mirrors.  I never protested that there aren’t twisted minds in Alabama.  Nor did I ever protest that people litter.  I’ve not seen Chris Hedges “speech” but I have seen him speak about his book, as well as Naomi Klein and her books.
My point is quite well illustrated by your statement:

“They are insane and unfortunately control everything through their ruthless corporations. These people could not do it without the Alabamian mind set whom they exploit againse their own interest.”

The fact that you use the word “insane” to describe those whose opinions you oppose tells me that you’ve made no effort to understand why they believe what they believe, what differentiates you and your opinion OR what makes you see it as wrong.  Further, from the same quote, you lump the entire religious right in with the numerous problems of U.S. corporatism.  That’s a mighty big leap, if you ask me.  Further, this “Alabamian” mind set holds no ground.  As I said, I am from Alabama, and I undoubtedly do not share this “mindset” you seem to understand so well. 
How about we look at why the problems are what they are?  How about we look at the great lack of education in Alabama?  How about we don’t try to lump our qualms, and more importantly the blame with/for the cultural and social states of things into one big vague category like Alabamians and The Religious Right. 
My point, again, but as a question:  Does your view of the problem start with getting pissed off because of some “other” way of life or because the readily available solutions to these problems aren’t enacted due to a fundamentally displaced values?

Finally, on the personal note of my grandmother which I most likely should have left out in the first place….She and my grandfather are invigorated atheists, they grow and raise most of they’re own food, they drink well water and make weekly trips to the recycling center 15 miles away.  They have not, nor will they ever, dump trash on your dirt road.  So don’t blame your slack sheriff on my grandmother and blame it on the people who empowered him and the people who don’t put a fire under his ass when he’s underperforming. 
My grandparents grew up during a time that is different from now.  I do make a point to call her out when she uses disgusting terms to refer to human beings and inform her of why I do so, as was implied in my previous post.

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By lester333, April 26, 2009 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

Benlink:  Someone said it best the other day.  Alabamians think like medievals and probably cannot be faulted for it since most have only one tooth , but, these are the people that blindly follow the Fixed news group and keep the Bush people et al in power.  We are doomed because they are so ignorant.  Have you seen Chris Hedges speech on “Who are the Fascists”?  The answers is :  The religious right.  Or, Naomi Klein’s book the Shock Doctrine about the right wing torturers from the Chicago School?  They are insane and unfortunately control everything through their ruthless corporations.  These people could not do it without the Alabamian mind set whom they exploit againse their own interest.  You should be trying to set your Grandmother straight because the majority of the twisted thinkers and lemmings live in the deep south.  I live on a dirt road however and enjoy it intensely except for the trash. The traffic count is 3-4 daily.  Once a week I clean it up down the southern outlet. The other day the sheriff sent his “Solid Waste Enforcement Officer” to investigate a new large 15 bag pile that had been boldly left within sight of the main road.  We had been requesting his truck of prisoners to come by and pick up the mattresses, tilt-back easy chairs, electronic equipment, tires, etc. for several months.  He finally arrived with his, I could care less, crew and supervisors and most of the trash is still here.  Please tell your Grandmother the score so she will stop putting trash on our roads.

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By KDelphi, April 25, 2009 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

LOL!

“Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant,[10][11] then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,[12][13] at which she won a college scholarship and the “Miss Congeniality” award.”

Miss Congeniality

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By KDelphi, April 25, 2009 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller—I think Palin WAS a “beauty queen”, in her day, wasnt she?

Hey, back off, my mom was Miss Navy! She had a littel crown…..seriously…but that was long, long ago.

It made her crazy when she got old.

Ohio and other formerly “midwestern” states are getting more and more like Alabama everyday. It is scary…

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By Leefeller, April 25, 2009 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

lester333,

In 2012, all we need to do is black out some of Miss California’s teeth and she would win Alabama with a dusty road slide?  Did Palin win Alabama?

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By benlink, April 25, 2009 at 7:06 am Link to this comment
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Alright people.  First, I’m from Alabama.  I lived there from 0 - 26 years of age.  I agree, there are a lot of backward thinkers there, specifically folks who are funamentaly racist and bigoted in various ways.  There are also a lot of people that aren’t.  The point is, what I’m seeing from a few individuals commenting here is the same stereotyping that’s indicative of the closed minded thinking not unlike that which leads to feeling like it’s ok to take away the liberties of “innocent” people because of your own personal beliefs.  I’m not saying its the same.  I’m saying let’s not take this down the mindless road to demonizing Alabama because it’s different.  I find the dirt roads endearing, far more so than miles of asphalt and an endless heat island.  Yes there are schools.  Yes they have shoes.  Yes some of us (I) call our (my) grandmother’s “Mema,” and still love them even though they can’t see why I get upset at the utterance of the ‘N’ word. 
My point: stop and think of the REAL problems here and don’t just go flinging stereotypes at the problem that starts with an equal amount of closed mindedness.

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By lester333, April 25, 2009 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

thank you leefellow for the single tooth image.

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By lester333, April 25, 2009 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

I live in Alabama.  It is the trash capital (literally) of the world has the most dirt roads of any state, I am sure, except maybe Mississippi, and; the most racist.  Down here they use the N word constantly to tell people how sorry they are.  It is amazing.  My suggestion is to run Miss California for President in ‘12 because she is beautifully qualified.

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By Outraged, April 24, 2009 at 11:33 pm Link to this comment

Sure…. there’s absolutely nothing amiss about state legislators, during this most egregious of times, addressing the things that matter.

So who did they endorse on American Idol and pray tell what was their determination regarding that Paula Abdul “issue”..... I wait with bated breath!  Are they for or against Paula, and do they think we should keep Simon or not?  And what about “America’s Next Top Model”, have they addressed that pressing issue yet?  Then there’s “Survivor”, who TRULY should be voted off this week….. and who will get immunity?  Oh, I forgot….did they say anything about Trump’s show, what was the name of that thing, you’re outta here or something?  That’s not on anymore is it…. geez, it’s so hard to keep up with all the pertinent news.

What about “octo-mom”, boy… now there’s something they should have brought up, asleep at the switch…. those damn lawmakers, what will Alabama do now?!

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By KDelphi, April 24, 2009 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

Funny, coming from a guy who sounds like a gay por star—
“Jay Love”??

California?! should be ashamed to be in Alabama’s company—-be careful or Iowa will show you up.

I wouldnt be caught dead in Alabama at night, but,after Prop 8, the hypocrisy is palpable.

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By Nola, April 24, 2009 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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Asking a Christian’s opinion opens you up for disappointment on the non-believers part. If you don’t want to know, don’t ask. That question was stupid and should never have been asked it’s irrelevant in this situation and the idiot asking it should be fired from ever being part of the selection again. Christians will never agree with gay marriage, murder, adultery, or anything else God has directed them to avoid. You would be asking them to throw their bible out the window. That isn’t going to every happen. Faith is as old as dirt. Gay marriage is someones new desire that goes against what Christians believe. You can change the mind of the confused, lost and the weak. You can never change the mind of a follower of Jesus Christ. His believes are based on The Word of God Almighty.

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By Leefeller, April 24, 2009 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

Go to the head of the class for supporting a real issue, one of such major proportions, something bigots can sinck their single tooth in and rally around a non issue, made to order for morons. Imbeciles unite for the gays are coming. Do they have schools in Alabama? A sickness prevails from the empty minds of the self righteous.

Yep lets worry about this gay marriage thing, like it really matters to your hollow empty lives, boy it must feel great to win on such a big nonissue, lets not think about real issues.

Ignore the war and all the death caused by it,having forgotten the economy is in the shit house,  not my homes lost. what does unemployed mean?  So instead lets worry about gay marriage, along with American Idle, (sic) real important impacts in the lives of simpletons, gays real important issue, death non issue?

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By RobertinWestbury, April 24, 2009 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

Oh come now Steve!  If she had said something racist nobody would defend her for merely ‘speaking her mind.’  If she said something against Christianity or promoted atheism, most on the right would have ripped her apart. 

There is such a double standard when it comes to people ‘speaking their minds.’  It’s okay if their opinion is one you share or can at least rationalize away.  But if it threatens your beliefs or your rights then it would incur your wrath.  It’s no different with gay people. 

And Lisa, the day will come when fighting equal treatment for gay people will be seen to be just as shameful as fighting equal treatment for others based on race or gender.  Three states have adopted marriage equality in the last year.  THAT is courageous and the right thing to do.  My hope is that more will ‘rise to the occasion’ in the next year.

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By Steve, April 24, 2009 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment
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Like it or not, she stood up for what she believed in! The ones we need to fear are the far-left loons who want to “run her out of California” for speaking her mind. Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Chairman Mao, and Pol Pot must be smiling in their graves!

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By Lisa Krempasky, April 24, 2009 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment
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Proud of Miss California and now I’m proud of Alabama. If our federal leaders won’t have the courage to do right maybe our states will rise to the occasion.

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By moe, April 24, 2009 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment
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And what happened to supporting “World Peace”?

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By Leefeller, April 24, 2009 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

The mother of all issues, I am so glad to see this issue in the limelight, for I am tired of hearing about American Idol. What a newsy item! Have you heard about the naked wizard and his magic wand?

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By squeaky jones, April 24, 2009 at 10:51 am Link to this comment
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Alabama, where they brought back the chain gang, is another non-humane state. Funny, most of the non-humane places in America are located nearby. Squeaky.

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By Running Bear Shapiro, April 24, 2009 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

Now Carrie Prejean will have a place to go when we run her out of California.

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By samosamo, April 23, 2009 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

What they didn’t say, was the praise for Miss Alabama clarifying that it didn’t matter if the man or woman was a sister, brother, dog, horse or cow .

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By RobertinWestbury, April 23, 2009 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

LOL… I mean really!!!

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By Ed Harges, April 23, 2009 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

Oh no, we lost Alabama! Darn it.

This is very ominous news, because as everyone knows, cutting-edge Alabama is the wave of the future.

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By Nomad, April 23, 2009 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment
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apparently someone never told Perez Hilton that “beauty comes from the inside”

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By RobertinWestbury, April 23, 2009 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

This from a state where the worst types of racist atrocities occurred with the full support of each branch of their state government - well unto recent times. 

Big deal!

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