May the Force be with you. Jedi, questions the idea of legons of angles, Jedi know what a legion is? So now the correction is large numbers of Angles, do they ride motorcycles and are hairy like Wonkas? Why would they be so hateful and do what man does to himself, seems like the competition would be bad for business? The Jedi way of defensive peace makes the Angles way look like a better way. May the force be with you.

Believing in fantasies is the pejorative of the individual, one beleaguers as they want, to change the other, for the sales pitch is pitiful and insulting after the first time, by the tenth time amusement has diminished to vapor and time to call ones blarney what it is.  I feel the Jedi coming on.

May the Force be with You. Jedi says, when one utters they did not intend to do something for your own good plus they did not want you to suffer, they in fact did by the act of saying what was intended as they disavowed.  Jedi is insulted by the simple lack of logic from such stupidity and blindnes.

Why not just say “you will be sorry”,  “you shall suffer” instead of a big song and dance story where one sentence would have sufficed, but no! Legions of begots and begats, talking snakes, living in the belly of a large fish, two of every animal.  Jedi, says the Wizard of Oz was a better story, or one could move up chronology and suggest Harry Potter.

Jedi, would never force the Force on anyone, unless they are worthy and wanted to have the Force be with them.  Jedi would never shove the Force up ones arse, for that would be rude and painful.

And if you aren’t careful, christian96, Lilith the Terrible will get you. For you have not demonstrated you are rational nor a Rational Christiain.  For surely if Shenonymous is Lilith, surely She recognizes that quite clearly.  Lilith just sits back and waits!  Lusting is a natural device for the propagation of the species, nothing more.  It is called “heat.”  Men corrupted the idea of lust because of their patronage to their male member and having no self-control of their beastly nature.  And they are angry they cannot control Lilith.  It would be beneficial to study biology and anthropology, and maybe zoology.  Oh, and the history of the bible beyond one cherry-picked reference.  Try reading with an open mind.

Trithoverlies – It appears you also believe and live your own fictions.  If God could have done all the damage you think is possible of a postulated generous and benevolent God, then that is not the God you speak of.  That God could never have destroyed what he so “lovingly” created.  But both versions, the god of love and the god of many hatreds are narratives devised by those who are sorely afraid of what life may not mean!  It may not mean life after death, it may not mean being taken care of by something outside of oneself, it might not mean eternal existence…it may not mean all the time invested into a fictional creation that you and the millions of other believers have bought into for thousands of years, ever since Paul that incredible misogynist invented Jesus Christ.

Everything you learned from the bible is wrong!  All the interpretations are just that.  Interpretations of intentional interpretations and more interpretations on top of that.  You have no idea of the evolution of the bible to which you bow below the surface of the earth.  It is the cult of fear and the cult of death that drives all the religious.  You don’t love women, you love the feeling you get from fear and you love death.  Death will take you to your vahalla.  You are among those who do not celebrate the earth or humankind.  You are among those who would rather use the pin-up doll of a fabrication to assuage and their bio-cellular fears.  The love of the fear of death.

The fact is there is no evidence at all of a life after death, save pitiful testimonies of near death individuals.  And first hand uncorroborated testimonies are always suspect of any truth to them.  So please die so that you may come back and lucidly advise us, in a laboratory, of course.  Or the other option is to join with the Jedis who has retired the FSM.

Leefeeler,
I would wonder why you even chose to comment you surely don’t believe any of it but God Could have destroyed everyone that opposed Him again. But every time it rains there’s this covenant sign in the sky that reminds Him and Man that He will never wipe man from the face of the earth again. So when Jesus was about to suffer and die for you and me He remembered that and the number of angel that He could have called is not the important point. It’s that He didn’t that is the important point which I gues must have been missed by you. I wouldn’t laugh the tenth Legion thats just one Legion killed nearly 1.5 million Jews between 66 A.D. and 71 A.D. so twelve legions would have wipped out all in Judia, Summaria, Galilee, and the rest of the middle East at that time. What is a Legion one Roman Army Corp 4000 to 6000 men under arms so 12 legion would have been a sizable number between 48,000 and 72,000 and since we can’t even deffeat one fallen Angel Lucifer, 48,000 to 72,000 angels would have wipped out the world without breaking a swet, that should really say something. But maybe your heart has become so hard that you can’t hear God speak anymore if so I pity you and am saddened by your condition but its your choice to make not mine so please give me and others the same consideration I have chosen that said and done maybe you have chosen you way and if so I can’t change it that is between you and God and will play out which ever way you choose.
        Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
          John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. Jesus was making a statment about choosing to take our place on the cross we all deserve for our lies and hatred, and fornication, and Idoletry, and disobedeance to parents. How many times growing up did you not listen to what your parents wanted? I must have disobeyed them atleast thousands of times through the years and How many times have you looked at an attractive woman and though about having sex with her, fornication of the heart, how many times have you thought “I hate you” through the years well thats murder in the heart, don’t get me wrong we all have done these things so I am not picking on you I have been just as guilty and maybe even more so coming from having Taskmaster Sgt. for a father. You can deny it that is your right just as it is my right by the U.S Constitution and the Great Commission to proclaim the Gospel Message.

“For I am the rational one”, says the one who is not mad, as the butterfly nets approach.

Accusations coming from those who preform the same actions they allegedly judge, seems more and more commonplace, with the big C implanted on their foreheads. Why is that?

Shenonymous—-Lillith got Adam!  Lillith got Sampson!
Lillith got David!  But Lillith DIDN’T GET JOSESPH
and Lillith won’t get me because I am not only
rational, I AM CHRISTIAN RATIONAL!  A man must lust
after women and be disobedient to the COMMANDMENTS
(NOT SUGGESTIONS) OF GOD for Lillith to be successful.  I don’t lust after women and am obedient
to the COMMANDMENTS of God!  Being obedient to the
COMMANDMENTS of God is the pinnacle of LOVE!  I LOVE
WOMEN!

Ah yes the larch… we are as durable as each other.  I am as old as the Universe.  Every subatomic particle of my being are as eternal as is space and time of the past, present, and future. On cannot hide what is in plain sight.  There are only terrible times for those who wring their hands needlessly.  It does my infinite heart such good to see someone else providing some music, even if it is a little music-hall ditty. 

The story of Lilith is as far-fetched as all the other mythologies.

Shenonymous is Lilith!? Well so where have you been hiding all of these eons? I have looked all over the 10 levels of Hell and Heaven to find you again. Yum, what a lovely time of coitus and claws! The power that doth tread the night. Thank you Christian 96 for that bit of datum. Centuries it has been and now the larch! Terrible times are here again, the skies above are dark again, terrible times are here again! [Sung to “Happy Days are Here again”]

Be seeing you in your nightmares!

“Not the Jews Yes the religeous leadership conspired but Jesus said He could have
call 12 ligions of Angels to defind Him but for our sake He diddn’t”.

Let’s see, now I know were Hillary gets her logic.  Even though she voted for it, she said she hoped it would not pass. Glad it was 12 ligions of Angles instead of 13, for that could have been ment bad luck.

For your imformation for the first 10 years it was mostly the Jewish elite persicuting to Jewish followers of the Way. but that changed radically as more gentiles became Followers of the Way so much so that they were barred from Rome with the other Jewish sects by the Emporer Claudius in 51 AD But the persacution of the Gentiles really got perculating under Nero in 64 AD in Rome but it than continued unabbated for the next 246 years and those being persecuted were nolonger Jewish but Gentile so we were warned those who call themselves by My Name will be persecuted I think you may of missed that part in your Sunday School Class or you world religions class. Read the following Scriptures Matt.10; 16-22 Underline in verse 22 “and you will be hated for MY NAME SAKE”  That was said to all who would come to believe in Christ Jesus not Judaism so you are wrong when you said it meant only the Jews. Matt.24:9; Luke 9:23-26;21:16-17;John 15:18-19. All of these verses don’t say that the hatred and persecution will be for the Jew only but for anyone who takes up his cross and follows Jesus the Christ.
So again where does it say in the New Testament that only the Jewish people will be persicuted what about the Christians in China Laos, Veitnam, The Muslim nations, Belarus, and Russia. even in some parts of South and Central America Christians are under persicution today!
              Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
                John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. It does say that unfortunately the false church will persicute the Jews because the Jews Killed Christ, which is actually unbiblical Jesus gave His lifes blood to remitt sin that means than that we are all guilty of killing Jesus Christ. Not the Jews Yes the religeous leadership conspired but Jesus said He could have
call 12 ligions of Angels to defind Him but for our sake He diddn’t.

Warning, warning, warning, christian96 is an escapee from an insane asylum!  Okay, I admit it.  I am Lillith!  Watch out for my fangs and claws christian96, I’ll eat you alive here as I did elsewhere.  You must be a xombie since you keep arising from the dead.  Maybe you should keep moving.  Except I am very good with my cross-bow at moving targets.  Just wwwwaaaatccccch out!  We don’t solve problems on this forum, we just eat them.  And beware if She should offer Her hand in friendship.  Course christian96, you would have to become rational.

I have been offline for two days while moving.  Have
you folks solved any of the world’s problems??WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!  SHENONYMOUS IS LILITH!

“As for the MAJORITY of Americans being nominally some form of Christian? Well, in AMERICA that is EXPLICITLY FORBIDDEN to be a standard of Law and Policy.”—Dwight Baker

Another wild unfounded rant by you. But then Christians are told they will be martyred and oppressed in the future. [Only it was Jews that Jesus was talking about by the Romans.] The Pew poll showed 78.2% of the respondents (35,000) to be Christian. I hear the Christian God invoked by our elected officials all of the time, to a nauseating degree so “explicitly forbidden” is just bunkum. To the fundamentalist like yourself, if it isn’t 100% theocracy then it is suppression of your ‘God given right’ to control all that you see and hear.

Unlike others, this may or may not be the last dispensing of wisdom from the Odor of the Jedi, under the arm pit of wisdom?

obi Wan Kenobi, a Jedi of known repute, says paraxial’s of truth and theory, can mean for the Jedi even a pungent pendent who may be pitiful by some lacking in logic with blinders on, the pitiful pundit can still dispel real truth, for wisdom of truth on occasion can be pitiful and extremely boring.  Jedi says, pitiful truth is far better than fantasies proclaimed and promoted as truths. Stories yelled from the highest soapbox may proviide entertainment for some but sadly perceived as truth by others, which can lead to unpleasantness. May the Force be with you.

Leefeller’s allegory is a perfect portrayal of how mass movements get animated.  He has intuited an example from popular culture and cleverly lets you in on the mystery.  He is providing you with a great service, if you have the ability to read into metaphor, that is. 

The secret to successfully changing the mind set of a community, regardless of how big or small it is, is to assimilate then work change from the inside.  The Nazis did that, as well as Stalin’s brand of communism who would have gotten nowhere without the priming of Lenin.  It is the way to get the population to sign up on the dotted line for without the support of a great number of the population no mass movement has a chance in the proverbial hell.  Of course excessive force and coercion was involved but not at first.  The members of the SS, Gestapo, and the Russian’s KGB did not fall out of the sky.  They had to be convinced that the ideology was to their benefit.  It is a way to eat into the consciousness to bring the seditious ideas into the community from within then repeat over and over the desired solution. 

That also is how religions develop.  At one time humans lived in caves and did not have the religions we have in the world today.  Over 400 exist right now.  The three Abrahamic religions did not have their nascence until about 4000 give or take a thousand years B.C. beginning with Judiasm, then in about 33 B.C. Christianity’s son of god was crucified (assuming he was born in zero A.D. which always sounds so weird.  Nevertheless it took until about 65-70 A.D. for the first gospel (Mark) to be written, which made the assimilation of that religion to take place a longer time since they did not have radio, television, or the Internet yet, or magazines and newspapers, up to the time Constantine felt it was in his best political interest to embrace Christianity. It is hard to say when the NT of the holy book was widely available.  Books were made, by the handwriting of those who were literate. Then the population at that time couldn’t read so well.  The wealthy and cleric class were the ones who could read.  So common people had to wait for rock stars to show up bringing the word. or soldiers in or out of uniforms.  Same description for Islam, just a different rock star.  So I shall give my thanks to the intelligence of Leefeller and the rest of you who criticize ignorantly… well far as I’m concerned you know what you can do (it ain’t pretty), get extensively ejumakatid.

Odor of Jedi does not believe in the concept of Prophets unless the meaning is to be teacher, mentor or muse. For achenes of Prophets of old were in the withholding of knowledge like a seed, as feeding of ignorance required such.
May the Force be with you.

DWIGHTBAKER, April 19 at 10:35 am #

SO JUST GO AND TRY REAL HARD TODAY TO GET A LIFE WORTH LIVING.
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DwightBaker shows again why he’s the paradigm of Christian Charity, Mercy and Forgiveness.

NOT!

More like typical religious hypocrisy

Well Dwight careful casting aspersions since you fit the bill for a mind manipulator yourself. As for the “good news” you peddle well I have heard or read it all so it is hard to plant seeds in a luxurious grove of exotic flowers isn’t it. No an atheist’s flower bed of the mind aren’t barren as you may imagine but full of other growing things of beauty or ugliness but full of life and creativity.

Being born free of the religious impulse can be liberating for the mind and body. Living for life instead of a hokey “after-life”(sic) and a mindless drone existence doing make-work for eternity to an entity who craves constant fealty would be most unpleasant to me. Give me a million year life span and see what I can do!

Leefeller, April 19 at 12:36 pm #

HEY why don’t you call China Town and have some good soup [I like all kinds but egg drop] delivered when you get a time of arrival I will come to you. I will catch a flight on JEDI lines they offering more free miles than any other.

Jedi does not talk of Ancient times, for ancient times may be embellished upon and made to be what they were not.

Teaching of the Jedi is teaching of wisdom and may only be taught by teaching, not forced on the those unworthy or wanting to learn, by writing in a from of yelling, using all Capital letters. Jedi says, yelling is worthy of nothing but the unpleasantness of contempt. Jedi, believes pulling stings is not necessary for those seeking the truth for reality of wisdom requires resolute focus away from the antisocial yelling of imbeciles.  May the Force be with you.

Leefeller, April 19 at 11:55 am

A PROPHET YOU ARE NOT

A PITIFUL PUNDIT MAYBE

MAYBE MORE LIKE SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING HARD TO PULL OUR STRINGS LIKE A SEDUCER AS A PUPPET MASTER.

It should be known,  Jedi wisdom is all encompassing, Jedi says wisdom is not a god, nor is the Force only for the Forced sake.  Force came from before the the beginning, is here in the middle and will be past the end. 

Jedi of the order is the teacher, there are more than one, more than two actually their are a flock of Jedi. Jedi are not related because the Force does not sanction nepotism.

Jedi, says the dark force is more than meats the black eye, but has evolved into the opposite of the light force, some say the   force is with the light force, tho the dark force dose not agree.  May the Force be with someone,  please, so the the saying, May the
Force be with you?

Jedi believes the right to be dark forced, to be light forced or even rainbow forced is how it is, even so,  may the forced be with some of you.

CHANGE OF PACE

INTREPID REJECTION
LED TO DESTRUCTION
WOE UNTO THEE CHORAZIN!
JESUS MATTHEW 11: 21

GAZING ACROSS FROM THE HEIGHTS OF
ANCIENT CHORAZIN

AMIDST THE RUBBLE OF A DAY LONG GONE
LARGE STONES OF BLACK BASALT LAY IN DISARRAY
MARKING A TIME WHEN ONCE STOOD
A SYNAGOGUE OF STUDY AND PRAYER
A MIST OF GLOOM
CONSUMED THE MOMENT

TOUCHING THE BLACK STONES THAT LAY
IN THE GRASS SCATTERED
ROUND ABOUT
BROUGHT THOUGHTS RACING
LOOKING DOWN CARVED IN STONE WAS MEDUSA
A GREEK PAGAN MYTHOLOGICAL GODDESS
IN THE RUBBLE OF THE ONCE ACTIVE SYNAGOGUE
WHERE MY LORD PREACHED OF THE KINGDOM
HOW COULD THAT ENTIRE CITY
REJECT MY LORD?

HOW COULD THEIR STUBBORNNESS REFUTE
AND DENY HIS MIGHTY MATCHLESS WORKS?
MEDUSA HELD THEIR MINDS IN BONDAGE
LIKE UNTO SODOM
NONE WAS FOUND WITH OPEN MIND
AND REPENTANT HEART

THUS THE END CAME
THE SEED AND SPERM
THAT INHABITED THOSE SOULS THEN
WERE RENOUNCED TO NEVER LIVE AGAIN

THUS IN LIKENESS TO THAT TIME LONG GONE
WE STAND ON THE THRESH HOLD OF ETERNITY
IN EACH BREATH AND EACH DESIRE THAT EMANATES FROM OUR BEING
MUST COME JESUS BASIC RAW AND ETERNAL MESSAGE
RENOUNCE THE DEVIL
SHUN ALL IDOLATRY AND WITCHCRAFT
REFUSE AND REFUTE ALL DRUGS REVELATIONS 21.8
SORCERY GREEK PHARMAKEUS SPELL GIVING POTION DRUGGIST
AND ALCOHOL
JESUS RULE AND REIGN REVELATIONS 19.15 TREADTH THE WINEPRESS
DESTROY ALCOHOL
LOVE GOD
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR
DO RIGHT
FLEE AND TEACH ALL FROM DOING WRONG JESUS MATHEW 5. 17-20

by Dwight Baker while in Israel

Leefeller, April 19 at 10:48 am

I presume that was for the benefit of

IN HERITED SOMEONES WIND

For I am not akin to the jibber jabber of your new god JEDI.

May the Force be with you. Jedi says, we should learn from our mistakes as well as our successes. Recently when Jedi got his ears caught in a car door, his short stubby arms couldn’t reach the handle, The force returned from holiday and said: “OBWAN, you idiot, what have you got us into again OB”? Jedi said, I did not do this on purpose as most would say “this is the Jedi way”, instead Jedi said I learned a valuable lesson, it could have been my head! May the Force be with you.

Inherit The Wind, April 19 at 10:13 am

STOP RIGHT THERE

THERE YOU GO AGAIN

JURORS AND JUDGES CAN THINK WHAT THEY THINK AND THAT IS THAT.

As for the MAJORITY of Americans being nominally some form of Christian? Well, in AMERICA that is EXPLICITLY FORBIDDEN to be a standard of Law and Policy.

SO JUST GO AND TRY REAL HARD TODAY TO GET A LIFE WORTH LIVING.

DWIGHTBAKER, April 19 at 12:38 am #

Therefore I rest my case.
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Um, excuse me but YOU are the one who made a bizarre claim that I said all Christians were reprobates.  YOU are the one who went on a tangent.

As for the MAJORITY of Americans being nominally some form of Christian? Well, in AMERICA that is EXPLICITLY FORBIDDEN to be a standard of Law and Policy. 

Plus, there now something like 10 million Moslems, about that many Jews, a HUGE growing number of Hindus AND Buddhists.  If you live in any region where there are lots of Asian immigrants (like either coast) you get VERY used to your friends, neighbors and colleagues following Eastern religions.  So I have friends and colleagues who are Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Sri Lankan, just to name a few.

In this part of America, Hannukah, Ramadan, and Chinese New Year are ALL a big deal, not just Xmas and Easter.  Public schools in MY town close for Yom Kippur (or 1/3 of the kids would be out).

In the small company I worked in, we even had a Sikh and a Jain working as programmers.  The Sikh worked with us a few times as a consultant and always wore a turban, color matched to his clothing of the day.

If you don’t think this is the “Real America” let me remind you that the attack on America of 9/11 had its biggest and worst event right here, 25 miles east of my house, at the World Trade Center.  The second biggest attack was at the Pentagon, just outside Washington DC, only 4 hours from here.  Plus the Statue of Liberty is right here in New Jersey, so we are VERY much “Real America” and are one of the original 13 colonies, as are our liberal neighbors of New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Delaware, Rhode Island, and now Pennsylvania and New Hampshire are going that way too.

Tangent? YOU are the one who asked a leading question of Night-Gaunt and I challenged its validity.

Even I can tell when someone is being facetious so laugh at the joke or don’t but taking it seriously like that makes a joke out of you Dwight Baker.

I don’t say it to laugh at you but to help you in fact for I have no malicious thoughts to or about you.

Leefeller, April 19 at 1:04 am

WHO are you trying to depress or impress? If your age is more than 13 I would suggest you see a shrink.

If you decide to see a shrink MY TAKE for one like you——find a woman who is good to look at but kind of dumb between the ears——she will listen and agree with you on all things charge you $400 bucks a hour your insurance will cover $350 of that so for $50 bucks you get your emotional spiritual and chauvinism fancies and illusion in delusion fix for another week so how do you beat that. I am certain you can find many of that kind in Old San Francisco.

If you only have Medicaid too bad out of luck.  So maybe find a bud as a bar keep then get half loaded tell all until you make all run——then wobble to the door get a taxi go home lay down up get up again to do your thing, heck who knows maybe the JEDI will come around and set you free indeed.

May the Force be with you, for those who do not believe in the Force, the Jedi, says it will be their loss when the time comes, after the Force returns from holiday.

Jedi, says the arm pit of time has proclaimed the self righteous shall be turned away from riding the Jedimobile, for only the worthy shall ride with Jedi.
Jedi accepts cash. 

Learning the new ways of Jedi, will take time for most people not Jedi seem to be taller in stature and slower between the ears.  May the Force be with You.

Inherit The Wind, April 19 at 12:01 am

How can some be so out of bounds and not stay with the central core of the debate? The core was you using your example of a courtroom proceeding. And I worked toward that premises you set not me.

Now read your own word——-WORLD.

Therefore you shouldn’t pose antagonizing and polarizing questions based on a premise that is not accepted by vast majorities of the world.

So again you fall far short of making any sense in this debate for you are wrong again.

We live in the USA not China, Vietnam, not Iraq nor in the DR Congo or any other and no matter how hard you try to tie all those folks religious beliefs and practices to our majority in America, you will continue in my opinion make a fool of yourself.

Therefore I rest my case.

“Just go on with your far out thinking that all People that love the LORD JESUS CHRIST are reprobates and you and some of your crew come up with another plan to get out nation back on track with some of you as the leaders. “
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Huh? Where’d you come up with this paranoid nugget?

All I said was there a lots of people who follow other religions who therefore don’t accept ipso facto the fundamental premise of YOUR religion.

Therefore you shouldn’t pose antagonizing and polarizing questions based on a premise that is not accepted by vast majorities of the world.

But when pushy fundamentalists like you get rejected for trying to shove you religious premise down everyone’s throat, you then holler “Christians are being discriminated against! Christians are being persecuted!”

No, Christians are being told to respect other peoples’ beliefs if they want respect for their own.

By Inherit The Wind, April 18 at 10:08 pm

So let it rest you have no way to prove that I am wrong in any American court of law.

No, it is a valid objection. You flat-out stated that N-G had to be either FOR “The Good News” or AGAINST “The Good News”.  That is based on YOUR premise that “The Good News” is factual.

That is what I said then went on to tell of the judges and jurors that inhabit our courts in the USA today to bring forth a verdict.  And that is where you got confused, was that intentional?

Just go on with your far out thinking that all People that love the LORD JESUS CHRIST are reprobates and you and some of your crew come up with another plan to get out nation back on track with some of you as the leaders.  Good luck——who would follow you up the hill to take back our country?  Not me and I know of no one else who would follow those that have not a sound reason that any of US exist. When we get to Capitol Hill in Washington DC you will see what democracy can be once all folks have a voice and vote toward all having the rights to life in all acts of equity in Justice.

WHAT WILL YOU TELL THEN?

DB

DWIGHTBAKER, April 18 at 9:39 pm #

Meaning just what it implies. WHO HAS THE BUCKS RULES THE COURT AND JUDGE.
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No, it is a valid objection. You flat-out stated that N-G had to be either FOR “The Good News” or AGAINST “The Good News”.  That is based on YOUR premise that “The Good News” is factual.

As I pointed out, you “fact” of “The Good News” is challenged at its root that it is a fact.  It is challenged by EVERY religion other than Christianity, and by those who deny religion altogether.

To phrase a question based on an unestablished premise is to present a leading question.  It is NOT badgering—that is a different point of objection.

Your conscience may tell you that you must ask questions like this, in this way, but you’ll get no sympathy from ME that your behavior is acceptable “as a matter of conscience”.

Inherit The Wind, April 18 at 9:26 pm

Good way to put it in defense, but I never badgered him – nor is your objection valid either.  For in all law the basic law of conscience should rule first in the communed setting one is in——then common law—then what is practiced today by most attorneys is what I call the SEE SAW YAW OF LAW.

Meaning just what it implies. WHO HAS THE BUCKS RULES THE COURT AND JUDGE.

DB

DWIGHTBAKER, April 18 at 6:53 pm #

MY QUESTION does the good news of Jesus Christ as GOD and leading all men gentile and Jews alike to HIS LIGHT offended you?
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The question itself is inappropriate.  It is what is called a “leading question”  such as “When did you stop beating your wife?”

In other words it makes the assumption that a certain premise is universally acknowledged to be valid and then asks the question based on that.

Your first premise is that Jesus is God and is leading all men (and women) to His light.

Since YOUR 2nd premise is that your 1st premise is a universally acknowledged truth it is fundamentally invalid and therefore you question is invalid.

In other words, Dwight, neither N-G, nor myself, nor any Jew, Hindu, Moslem, Jain, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Animist, Wiccan, etc. etc. accept your first premise as valid—meaning we flat-out don’t believe it, your question is now an invalid leading question. 
“Objection your Honor! Counsel is leading the witness.”
“Objection sustained.  The jury is directed to disregard the question.”

Leefeller, April 18 at 9:08 pm

HEY GET YOUR SEEMED FACTS RIGHT

LEEFELLER

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

At least one Universal Life Church congregation and three real independent churches based on the Jedi religion exist.

Your words indicate a much larger growth of the JEDI religion but you did that on purpose.

Poor Leefeller coming to the rescue of a fallen foe OH CRAP.

How can the ones that POST THE MOST lose a battle of words?

A ground swill of 200 thousand plus people in England alone have registered their religion as Jedi , The necessary need for something newer than the 3000 year old dish rag religions for cleaning the windows of peoples lives, has been found. The Force as told by Jedi fills this need, clean the dusty old cobwebs from your religion with the Jedi. . The Force (which happens to be on holiday right now) is with you. 

The Jedi will share it’s wisdom and will not hide from you, for the Force is with you always, (except on holidays).  Miracles have abounded since the Jedi has shown the way of The Force, so when the Force returns from Holiday we shall see more beholding than ever seen before.  Woe be those who do not believe in the Force, as the Jedi has spoken.

Jedi speaks of non believers with sadness in his wallet. for the force will not be with them when the time comes, and the loss will be theirs.

Begetting, the Jedi warns seats are limited so keep the begetting to a low number and condoms are recommended, for when the Force takes us from this place to the golden rest stop in the sky,  limited space will demand first come first serve. So order your seats now, while supplies last. Cash preferred.

Night-Gaunt, April 18 at 8:38 pm
Had some time in between killing a giant bed of fire ants, so thought I would do the research for you on DOMINION THEOLOGY.  So here it is just the first page from google—- now how fair is that?

http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/terrorism/insurgency/biblio.html

http://mmoutreachinc.com/cult_groups/cults_index.html

http://66getreal.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/24/1605545-dobson-accuses-obama-of-distorting-bible?commentId=2040666

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/dominionism.htm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10167

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/009222.php

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/l04.html

http://www.cephasministry.com/kingdom_theology_6.html

http://www.intotruth.org/res/kt3.html

http://www.blogher.com/proposition-8-and-black-community-are-we-fault?wrap=blogher-topics/race-ethnicity

Now never forget that DAVID KOCH he likes this idea so from his vast fortunes he funds what he likes.  And the names of his biggest preachers will repeat from one to another.  Night Gaunt it is all about money.  That has been the case since the first century AD till today some 2000 years ago and many of mankind is still blind in the dark as what there rights of life are.  And I have read the back of the book and we the people in unity and harmony in the USA can defeat the beast and take them all hostage till the trials are over.  And once we come to a determination to do right not wrong then our Constitution can solve many big problems that we seem not able to solve I have read the Constitution and it is words that empowers and allows us to do far more than most of us think.  But to get to do that work we must get to Washington DC with a power punch to take the crooks on and run them out of the halls and chambers of our CONGRESS, HOW?  fear from us exposing them. Just a little light drives out a lot of darkness. 

Last time I was in DC a long time ago the booze and whores got most of the nightlife.  When those things become public aired on CSPAN buy us OH WHAT a far easier ride we will have to bring about the real change that was promised but seems to have got watered down some how.

DB

You first answer all of those questions I posed to you in the various forums otherwise no. You won’t do so I don’t for you. Qid pro quo.

If you go to http://www.chalcedony.com you will find one of the chief sources of their thought on theonomy. That is rule by and through the Bible. J. R. Rushdoony was one of their chief thinkers and writers till he died. They will never call themselves ‘Dominionist’ but that is their aim. Google it and Christian reconstructionists and see what you find and get
back to me on that.

Unlike the Illuminati (1776-1789) this is still active and permeates our gov’t especially in the military and news agencies. Backed by some of the oldest and richest families for the express purpose of keeping and maintaining rule over literally everything. I doubt if they can fully succeed in controlling the world but they can take over here. Their missionary work includes infiltrating normal churches and moving them to their particular way of viewing things, called “steeple jacking.” I know Shenonymous is bored with my rants on that because such things can’t exist. If one doesn’t then they all don’t. One way to keep people from the truth is to litter the field with red herrings, some very obvious, others not so leaving the real one debunked with all the rest. Psychological warfare is used here as much as anywhere else.

Night-Gaunt, April 18 at 5:58 pm

NOT ONLY ARE YOU A FOOL BUT BY YOUR OWN WORDS YOU CLAIM IT.

“And not all men are called to go to the DR CONGO to bring a new light to the meaning of what MY KING left men like me to do.  For HE said “GO INTO ALL THE WORLD AND TEACH ALL MANKIND IN ALL NATIONS MY GOSPEL AND FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS THAT I HAVE GIVEN UNTO YOU.” —Dwight Baker

MY QUESTION does the good news of Jesus Christ as GOD and leading all men gentile and Jews alike to HIS LIGHT offended you?

MY TAKE If that does offended you———Then state what your claims to fame are that we all might go to your source if you have any other than your own self-elevated ego to that like unto a GOD that we should follow your insidious moronic and proven wrong over and over again mandates?

QUESTION? Please explain to all and me what is a Dominionists ? Then please cite names and organizations that fall into your faulted and failed ideas that all Christians fit into your hated resentments of all that call on the name of JESUS CHRIST as their LORD,

This is why I have real problems with Christianity is that it has this aggressive mandate. The Dominionists tweak it a bit to be not just evangelizing but subjugation of the world and all of its life.

Slavery is okay because it isn’t condemned in the Bible as is killing the wicked which is anyone who doesn’t want to follow the “one true faith” just like the Crusaders of old and the Inquisition too for they will inquire and you’d better answer!

MY TAKE SLAVERY as it is known today was certainly condemned in the Biblical Record and in all my known Rabbinical thought.

MY TAKE on ignorance and paranoia found in Night Gaunt Crusaders get a life all know that JESUS NAME AND CROSS WAS stolen by the HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH and that is that——so don’t go there any more. For if you do all will know you are a bore.

They are already remaking vast populations of Latin America, Asia and Africa from a religious movement first started in the USA in the 1940’s.

MY QUESTION can you prove that with names and organizations moving in that direction. I would like to know so I could expose them to many I know that care.

It is a “Second Reformation” movement or “Third Wave” that is also mystic and purgatory for removing demons from the land and people [mapping] and they accept the soul but consider the body to be a contaminate an will kill to ‘cleanse’ them of the contagion of demon possession, non-belief and wrong belief. It is growing faster than Islam right now.

AND AGAIN MY QUESTION can you prove that with names and organizations moving in that direction. I would like to know so I could expose them to many I know that care and have the guts to take them on and destroy that work.

WHOOPEE is she your source if so GOD FORBID.
See http://www.talk2action.com/ for many stories on it. What Sara Palin follows & is little reported in the Dominionist owned news.

Just because they put socialism in their name doesn’t make them automatically left wing. They were and are right wingers who were mostly Christian, conservative and agreed with many laws and ideas supported here in the USA right now. You are not the first Trith to try to flip the onus of all of the world’s most recent infamy on ‘liberals’ you know. You will find many Nazi flags and symbols mixed with the Lutheran cross and that wasn’t liberal by any stretch but your imagination. Google Nazi-Christian-symbols and see what you find. No Nazi would support the ACLU as you don’t. For the same reasons, same with homosexuals and abortion. Not what liberal think. Himmler, who believed he was an incarnation of Henry the Lion, was a different case and did not declaim his Christianity that I am aware. The SS were in fact a kind of Germanic order of Holy Knights patterned after the Jesuits in organization but mystic and chivalric in nature of the Crusaders. [That was why there were no chaplains in the SS.] Both the swastika and eagle are symbols of the sun. If you do find out more substantial information let me know.

Night-Gaunt Nazism is just a little further to the left then Socialism and Comunism just a short bit further to the left than Nazism (or as it is called National Socialism). The D. H. S. says the danger is from the right, but the danger lies with left wing that wants the same thing that Radical Facist Islam wants Power and control. That is why the Ayatollah’s of Iran and Amahenijad want Nukes so they can bring the down fall of the West, so the Muhdi will come and rule the International Islamic Caliphate. Yes I am a Christian I believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God not the stone block, or the statues of Buhdda, and Vishnue,ecetra… and By the way the Cross is vacant as is His tomb unlike the other founders of religions. I will defend your right to call me names unlike you on the left who want only their oppinions on center stage. There are liberals who are willing to discuss matters rather than call others names but they’re becoming less these days as your hate grows more virulent, and vicious. I believe in Jesus the Christ as the only way to heaven, but I can’t force you to believe in Jesus I can tell you why I believe show you what the Bible says; but I will never put a sword to your throat and command you believe or die. That is the differance between my conservative Christianity and Radical Facist Islam.  Whether you ever agree or not your right to descent is protected as is my right to speak out about my Beliefs. You have told me in words that my beliefs don’t count yet more Hospitals Universities Orphanages and Anti-Slavery groups have been founded and the earliest scientist were Christians so scientific analysis, experimentation were first widely done by Christians. I am freer in Christ then I was chained to the world. I tried to drink my self into hapiness for eighteen years, and Jesus set me free I have not taken a drope of Alcohole in 23 years now and am a better man for it. I see man differantly, as blinded by the world and sin, looking for the quik fix rather than the sure fix. They are told by religion that you must bow toward Mecca, or put a bowl of rice on your mantal, repeat a certian prayer, or pray five times a day, and if at the end your good outwieghs the bad you will get to paridise It is the manmade requirments to work your way that leave god out. And you never know when you have done enough good deeds to out wieghs the bad things we do daily. Lie cheat steal hate, curse God, worship self, or material things, money,or our sexuality. I will express my views as the constitution give me right to,” Congress shall make NO laws concerniong the free exersize of religion.”  but the left doesn’t agree with this and has attacked it with regards to Christianity. The Seperation clause was first given by the clerk of the chief justice in 1947 the main lie used by the A.C.L.U. This seperation cluase which came from the 1925 Soviet Constitution. They will allow Muslims their prayer time in our public schools but have suspended Christian students for bowing their head in silent prayer at lunch. Where is the A.C.L.U.‘s outrage at this seperation of Church and State. Is it only used to target Christianity. So call me a wing nut, a right winger a fundementalist, but it does’t change the fact that what I have just daid is true and you know it.
            Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
              John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. The Obama machine is now trying to stop Military, Fire, and Police Chaplins from praying in the name of Jesus Christ , its alright to pray in the Name of Buhdda, or Vishnue, or Allah but not Jesus the Christ so again where is the rightness in this?

Night-Gaunt – Your last post says much of what I think.  But not that it is universally true that we can make things better.  Humans often are not able due to conditions beyond their control.  That is when hopelessness sets in.  If you said it is universally true potentially given the right environmental and social structure we can make things better, I would have no argument in the least.  I am of the same mind that our reality is human-centered.  And likewise, we uniquely cognizant animals hold the essential elements for both our destruction and our construction. 

If we can allegorically describe our existence as a “story,” a drama, then your paradigm of homo ex machina, that only humankind can save the day, I would completely agree.  The god, if there could be one, and it be a rational one (which is the only kind a god could be), the world would have a pre-condition of perfection and pain and suffering worldwide would be nonexistent and never would have existed.  No god from the machine would have had to have been invented.  The deus ex machine is in all accounts, a second-class plot device.  For humankind to solve their own sorrowful vicissitudes now that is a worthy piece of theater.  The stagecraft would be magnificent.

Yet I think in essence, people of the world when not under the yoke of any religious tyranny do feel the world is human controlled even when nature is violent.  They invent all kinds of shelter and protection, and help one another when altruism is working.  And, I think, that only needs the right nudge in the right direction by those who have seen the stage lights.  While humans are the ones responsible for many of the ills of the planet, it is not totally so.  The nature of the planet also contributes.  But, being that cognizant animal you spoke of, we hold it in our power to get the right lenses to see reality and fix the destructive behaviors.  Thank you for a most perceptive post.

This thing with the Dominionist is such a time waster.  It is akin to the other freaky group the Illuminati that have a cult following so counterintuitive to rational thinking.  I couldln’t care less what either of their belief pomposities say.  As I’ve said elsewhere, They are stuff for comic books.  And can be kept there by people who think with reason and not hysteria.  Personally I think both groups are insane.  No it is not growing faster than Islam.  Islam is much more organized and fanatically dangerous.  Take a look at the map of what Islam covers.  Take a look at the European countries infiltrated by migrating Islamists. It is a dogmatically forced medievalism on the Arabian peoples.

ITWE—Perhpas where we are talking past one another, and it would be my fault, is that i just absolutely refuse to read anything more that is about “christianity”, particulary of the type touted here. I just sortve zone out when I even try to read it.. So when you refer to what christian96 or DWIGHT said, I’m sorry, but I just do not have time for that crap.

I agree that we can make things whatever we want to make them to be..we might have a different idea about what that is, but, yes , the human race has to change.

“And not all men are called to go to the DR CONGO to bring a new light to the meaning of what MY KING left men like me to do.  For HE said “GO INTO ALL THE WORLD AND TEACH ALL MANKIND IN ALL NATIONS MY GOSPEL AND FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS THAT I HAVE GIVEN UNTO YOU.” “—Dwight Baker

This is why I have real problems with Christianity is that it has this aggressive mandate. The Dominionists tweak it a bit to be not just evangelizing but subjugation of the world and all of its life. Slavery is okay because it isn’t condemned in the Bible as is killing the wicked which is anyone who doesn’t want to follow the “one true faith” just like the Crusaders of old and the Inquisition too for they will inquire and you’d better answer! They are already remaking vast populations of Latin America, Asia and Africa from a religious movement first started in the USA in the 1940’s. It is a “Second Reformation” movement or “Third Wave” that is also mystic and purgatory for removing demons from the land and people [mapping] and they accept the soul but consider the body to be a contaminate an will kill to ‘cleanse’ them of the contagion of demon possession, non-belief and wrong belief. It is growing faster than Islam right now. See http://www.talk2action.com/ for many stories on it. What Sara Palin follows & is little reported in the Dominionist owned news.

Night-Gaunt, April 18 at 8:03 pm

Shenonymous, April 18 at 7:31 pm

Inherit The Wind, April 18 at 7:16 pm

MY TAKE

GOD is GOD and we are not.  To have an opinion about GODS COSMIC PLAN and the ONES WHO WILL PLAY major roles has been and might be beyond comprehension for most. ELIJAH the greatest prophet and MOSES the great law giver, saw glimpses of that plan for mankind and did as told despite the foolishness in many times doing.

Many others have got that glimpse and went on to accomplish much in the movement of mankind from servitude to cruel and despots leaders into light to do what is right and shun the wrongs. IE the Jewish people have a rich history and heritage of over coming all odds and content to go about in their communities to help all gentile and Jew alike.

But what is not seen is behind the scenes not published or viewed by most—-those many that found that time to pray to their KING the LORD JESUS CHRIST and condemn the BEAST OF MANKIND and ask their LORD to take them out.  And HE did.  Now all men were not picked out to be that MOSES that took down the evil beast of mankind in Egypt and not all men have been picked out like Elijah to take on the witchcraft that Jezebel was bringing into Israel to perverts the seeds and wombs of GODS chosen people. And not all men were picked out and called to be Hero’s in the battlefields of Germany, and in the Pacific like my dad.  And not all men were called to take back Venezuela from the BEAST that had stolen the county blind not even leaving land so the people could grow gardens and have a pig chickens to feed their families.

And not all men are called to go to the DR CONGO to bring a new light to the meaning of what MY KING left men like me to do.  For HE said “GO INTO ALL THE WORLD AND TEACH ALL MANKIND IN ALL NATIONS MY GOSPEL AND FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS THAT I HAVE GIVEN UNTO YOU.”

But today in America so many want to get into a pissing contest and to that bitter end we might all fail and fall.

At least one thing Ayn Rand said I agree with but it isn’t necessarily “Objectivism” but it is universally true and that is we can make things better. Even a kind of Heaven or Nirvana if-you-will but one where we are not idle but instead at our best creating. Hence an earlier statement I made at one of these forums—-it isn’t deity centered, it is human centered because in the things we control we make for all of us. Even if it was intended only for a select few or one. We hold the seeds of our destruction, but also of our own salvation. Homo ex machina not deus ex machina is the paradigm shift we need globally if we are to survive and keep our progress in knowledge and experience. [I think we had a previous industrial age perhaps 75,000 years ago and it was mostly lost to us except in certain stories—see the Vedas and other Hindu myths for that.] Those who believe still can but they must do for themselves and all of us on this far flung planet. There are no others to go to at this time.

All of our problems from climate change to population overload to food and water shortages are all our own fault. Shortsightedness in our species as a whole for short term gain. Relying too much on the animal instinct to produce more of us when food gets more plentiful. Call it a sort of automatic pilot, not the thing to do for a long term program.

How about even a nano-second, Night-Gaunt.  Even that might be too long.  Biology (the body) and psychology (the mind) seem to be the right ratio to begin to see reality.  Stories abound about the lot of men, or lotta men, or dick-head guys in biblical scriptures. 

“They can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature.” – now this is a statement of unusual quality.  Clearly seeing invisible qualities is quite the trick even for a god (only we would wonder why a god would need to “see” anything since allegedly it is an omniscient one.  Why bother having qualities if they are to be invisible anyway?  An understanding of what ‘quality’ is might show the folly in such a belief about the invisibles.  It is all predicated on the belief that the world was created and that some schizoidal deity (of both good and bad intentions) did the dastardly deed.  Inherent in the definition of god is that all is done intentionally.  Even if I believed in a god, I could not in my wildest imagination imagine that god to be other than good in all ways and not have allowed for one nano-second any trace of evil or suffering for the creation of what we think of as humanity.  Seems like some agreement on the nature of belief might be the next big thing to put on the table.

KDelphi, the rest of us on this forum cannot but help but read the minidebate going on between you and ITW.  As I re-read the disagreements, I can count at least four times where ITW complains how you do not read his comments.  And in reading your comments, he is correct.  So how are you going to check yourself to see if you address what he says?  I will continue to be interested in what you say, but the discussion will go nowhere unless you readjust your thinking.  My agenda is that I’m only trying to help the progress of our forum.  Seems like the rest of us has moved beond Ayn Rand.  Maybe not.

KD:

It is frustration at your continued refusal to read whar I’ve written and then attack ideas as mine that aren’t mine.  You even misinterpret them after you’ve claimed they are mine when they are not.

For example: Just now you argue that Rand’s idea of heaven on earth may be your idea of hell.  Fair enough, but totally tangential to my point and the subject of a different, albeit related, debate.

Which was that Rand argued, contrary to Christian96, that Earth CAN be heaven if only we make it so, whereas C96 argued that Earth is definitionally hell that we must pass through to get to heaven. 

Totally different than what you argued.  Yet a Marxist can and should agree with Rand’s basic point: We CAN make heaven here on earth.  The debate over whose vision of heaven on earth will actually produce it, is a totally separate question.

It is an almost deliberate misunderstanding that makes me nuts.  I know FolkTruther does it solely for the fun, though I suspect he believes at least 50% of the crap he posts, another LARGE percentage is posted just to p*** people off.

You know, ITW—I might pay alot more attention to your arguemnts , and, likewise respect them more (as I do Shenonymous and Night Gaunt) if you refrained from calling me stupid and telling me what an idiot I am. Rand’s idea of “heaven on earth:” might be hell to me—espcially if capitslitst were in charge,.

I dont think that it is nonsensical to ask who the wood belongs to—MY wood, as in, what you said before—you used to live in a collective, but you had trouble telling which was MY chicken—I dont think that it belongs to you just because you say it does or because your great grnadfather killed someoen for it. You may think it is a stupid argument, but, it is certainly no stupider than defending laissez-fare capitalism today.

Good luck with that.

From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.

Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused.

CLAIMING TO BE WISE, THEY BECAME UTTER FOOLS INSTEAD!

Thank you Shenonymous even I reach my point of anger but am working on it. We can only do with what we have after all. I thought it was all of those fallen angels she was having a lust fest orgy with that was the male progenitor but not necessarily so. [Her offspring are also called lilim have the hind quarters of a donkey and wings and with sharp teeth that attack others because they have such a short lifespan. Is another story version.]But then weren’t the angels generally androgenous though not sexless? Though there were the “walking serpents” of the “Book of Enoch” that came down and had biblical congress with the daughters of men didn’t they. Why there is the warning of women to cover themselves too as not strike up the heat of lust not in men but in Nephilum or ‘Watchers!’ Though men in general are horny so-and-sos too. Someone bends over who is naked, male or female runs the risk of intimate relations with another man. Once the ‘god wand’ takes control it must be satisfied! I think why too many men think they have the devine right to rule over women. I for one have studied too much biology and psychology to believe that for a second.

I shan’t be so rude, NG.  I forgive DWIGHT, as he is much more sanguine in temperament than I. And sometimes he is all over the map.  But I think we equally get our points out, well…in a manner of speaking.  Maybe not so equally graciously.  I do not wish to antagonize. 

I was very interested in your last post about Lilith.  Since you seem to know much more than I do, can you tell me who fathered her bird monster children?  Were they of virgin birth origin?  Sort of like Medusa, the Gorgon (variations on her story also abound), sworn enemy of the virgin goddess, Athena, because the Gorgon slept with Posiedon in Athen’s temple, actually gave birth to two heroic creations, from her blood drops sprung, fully grown, the winged horse Pegasus and the hero Chrysaor.  Pegasus, actually captured by Perseus who in turn murders the fabulous horse’s mother, and Chrysaor’s father is Poseidon.  so somebody lusted after her.  Her blood drops at her decapitation by Perseus, produced an army of serpents.  There are a variety of stories about this warrior woman.  I also did not know Venus and Lucifer were cross dressers.  Gee, all those Romans who loved Venus, hmmmm.  And poor Paris (in the Greek version) wasn’t helped much by Aphrodite.  He should have gone with the other virgin, Athena.  duh, was he as stupid as Adam?  Apparently so.

Yes, you are right, NIght-Gaunt, we must continue to search.  Never give up the quest.  Besides it is so much fun.  Archaeology is our guide, and auto-archaeology our path.  Now don’t you agree, DWIGHT, my new friend?

“So when I read some of the things you write I am again puzzled what your real motives are.  I would like to think that you have not a good brain to think, but I prefer not to.” Dwight Baker

Don’t be supercilious with me, that is an insult by the act of saying so you either are a liar, self deluded liar or you can’t stand how I write but want to insult my intelligence that somehow bothers your ego than be truthful and forthright. Even though in the body of your writing you give faint praise to me then attack it. Others have done the same over time. It took me a while to understand what was going on. I was so oblivious in my early years—I am 51 in body but not mind. I specialize in nuance & detail. I also draw. You must do better or don’t do at all. ‘Help’ praise Shenonymous I am sure she will appreciate your interest. I know I am.

My education is mostly of the autodidact kind. “Auto” meaning on its own and “didact” which means to teach. Whatever interests me I research it for my own reasons. Philology, history, mythology, science covers most of it. I spread my poor little brain too thin but that is the impulse I have. Better than one for stupor of drink or reckless behavior eh?

Watch an episode of “The Big Bang Theory” it is my only favorite comedy show. I wish I knew the real life versions of those guys and gals.

Night-Gaunt, April 18 at 12:37 pm

You and I have a different base of education, I was learned in the sciences of mechanical engineering then went from there to the oil and gas industry.  Then from there became acquainted with a HEBREW scholar PhD also history, archeology, sexology multi disciplined authorized to teach in a wide variety of subject matters. I was then introduced to many in his circle of study, thought and teaching and over the last 30 years I have had many good sources to rely on when being stumped.

So when I read some of the things you write I am again puzzled what your real motives are.  I would like to think that you have not a good brain to think, but I prefer not to. 

So please quit trying to impress whomever that you have read voo doo, pagan cult type things, Homer and the other perverted Greeks, Romans and their lust for more pagan gods to fill their bill to be weird at others expense and all the rest that have no following at all today except the depraved that want a good reason to be deviant and defiant.

Now at TRUTHDIG today I don’t see a RAT PACK CROWD that would appeal or applauded to your seemed reason.

DB

Supposedly Lilith produces offspring called Lilitu which have a 24 hour life span and are sub-intelligent and have the features of their mom. Birds claws and wings on a human body and are true monsters of the brainless and slavering mouth variety. The curse of JHVH or maybe El was that she could never be fulfilled as a mother with her children dying while she yet survives to prowl the night hunting for human children to pay back for JHVH’s curse on her she will transmit to JHVH’s creations. Payback is by a bitch! A super one who like Samma-El (shaitan/satan also “Lucifer” his old pre-revolution moniker) is the other example of how rebellion is punished by the All Mighty and Jealous and Compassionate One of the Heavens. Rah, he said lackedaisiacally.

Did you know that Lucifer is another name for Venus? Also an old name for matches too. The ancient Asserians had matches and fletchette grenades too! The past isn’t what we thought it was and never will be. The best we can do is to continue to search, study, catalog produce and advertise what it may have been like. The History Channel is very good about that.

Nimrod is now a metonym for “Great Hunter” in our lexicon.

Hail DWIGHTBAKER– Reading your latest posts you are saying less but saying more!  A History of the Wife by Marilyn Yalom would be the better book.  What or who are you talking about at April 17 5:32 (speaking to Night-Gaunt but still esoteric)?

I didn’t forget Lilith.  Who could forget her?  Except the majority of the world!  Well…maybe not. Lilith is the first model for Victimized Womanhood.  She was also called a succubus who gives men wet dreams and is called a demoness who murders babies. Or she’s a goddess, the wife of Death.

The only reference to a possible Lilith in the Bible is Genesis 1:27 wherein it says, “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”  We hear a fullblown story of her in the Middle Ages Jewish folklore when she shows up the Alphabet of Ben Sirah.  After he was created, Adam was a lonely guy.  God, being a decent chap, created Lilith from the same dust (by the way) from which Adam was molded.  But they quarreled (oh boy, the first conjugal argument!); Adam [the perrenial domineering male] wished to rule over Lilith. But Lilith [a true militant feminist] was proud and willful (now what do you suppose “willful means?), oh oh, she dared to claim to be equal to Adam because she was created from the same dust (but only because!).  She left Adam and fled the Garden.  Go Girl!  God sent three angels in pursuit of Lilith. Yikes! They caught her and ordered her to return to Adam.  Fuck off, She refused, and said that she would henceforth weaken and kill little children, infants and babes. The angels overpowered her, and she promised that if the mother hung an amulet over the baby bearing the names of the three angels, she would stay away from that home.  Soooooo they let her go, Yip, yip, yipppieee! Then God created Eve to be Adam-mate [created from Adam’s rib, so that she couldn’t claim equality].  But much to God’s (and probably compliant Adam’s) chagrin, Eve turned out to do more damage to the Garden than Lilith ever dreamed of.  Oh well, ever since, Lilith flies around the world, howling her hatred of mankind through the night, and vowing vengeance because of the shabby treatment she had received from Adam. She is also called “The Howling One” a screecher.  But she has a voice like Bob Dylan.  She is also the demon Kisikil-lilla-ke in the Sumerian Gilgamesh.  The first true heroine.  And dear Eve is a comely second!  Our mom!  The Britannica entry is very lame.

Well, now that you mentioned him, Night Gaunt, Paul was a very interesting chap.  I’ll give some words of wisdom about that nasty guy Paul next time.

KDelphi, April 17 at 4:35 pm #

What if someone can kill you? Do they get your wood and tools?
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Now you are being argumentative (in the legal sense) and just plain stupid.

All these questions come down to value.  If no one values a thing, then “ownership” isn’t an issue.

Let me give you a simple example from about 45 years ago:

I was in grade school and a kid threw out a broken ball point pen. I picked up the broken, discarded pen, and fixed it.  Now he wanted it back because it was no longer broken, and, being bigger and older, took it from me.

All your questions on value, value-added, ownership, and the “right” to take by force are answered in this one little parable, which incidentally, is a completely true story, without exaggeration.

In fact, the core of ALL of Rand’s economic and productivity philosophy (at least what’s good in it) can be found in this little story.

BTW, KD—when Christian96 is telling us that THIS world, the ONLY one we know, is hell, and we must DIE to finally have joy, Rand says just the opposite: We can make heaven on Earth. This IS heaven if we just are willing to make it.

So, while Christian96 is telling you your ONLY hope for happiness is death (ie, nothingness), Rand is telling you your only hope for happiness is life.  Which makes more sense?

Inherit The Wind, April 18 at 12:15 am

RIGHTS OF A MAN TO HIS OWN PENIS?

GOOD QUESTION? maybe some in CONGRESS could answer that better.

christian96, April 16 at 11:25 pm #

Inherit the Wind—-You say that a woman has a right
to her own womb.  Does the child in that womb have a
right?  Speaking of children in the womb, what if the
only way to get to Heaven was to come through this
hell-hole called earth.  In that case, millions of
children have been denied entrance into heaven just
because the ignorant self-centered woman aborting
the children wouldn’t allow them the opportunity to
get to Heaven!  YOU TALK ABOUT RIGHTS![
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Ah. So a woman’s womb doesn’t belong to her, so therefore, it belongs to…YOU! In fact, EVERY woman’s womb belongs to…YOU!  Why don’t YOU suffer every woman’s pain of menses and childbirth?  Why not? It’s not hers, why should she suffer?

Does your penis belong to you? Do your eyes? Or do they belong to the woman who doesn’t own her womb?  My friend is having major surgery on his colon—but does it not belong to him? If not, why is HE suffering and not you.

See, if her womb doesn’t belong to her, then it MUST belong to someone else—and who is deciding who it belongs to?  Why…YOU!  Deciding who owns a thing is the same as owning it—trust me on this.  So you therefore own it.  And if you don’t own it, you aren’t responsible for it.  Yet pain means it IS yours and you ARE responsible for it.

You just don’t see that.

“What if?” “What if?” What if existence is merely a filip of a 4th dimension across two 3 dimensional membranes? MY explanation fits more of the existence’s facts than yours does—that you have to go through a womb and a vagina and be born in pain to go to heaven.  Does that mean my son born by c-section is automatically doomed since he didn’t come down my wife’s birth canal?

What if God DEMANDS that we all kill our first-born but we haven’t figured out how to figure it out?  That we haven’t got a prophet yet to tell us that?  Heck, the Aztecs and Mayans believed something similar. Heck, Torquemada believed something similar—that he had to kill any deviation in belief as heretics.

When you have no facts, you can hypothesize to your heart’s content.  And you want to make policy and law by those fantasies.

In the meantime either a woman owns her womb…or YOU do.  And believe me, you don’t.

ITW—It all depends on whom you think “owns” the wood that you made the tool out of in the first place…who decides? What if I had already put a fence around the tree and you cut it down anad make a tool? It is it both of ours? What if I wanted it to be firewood?

How can you say that a person , born on this planet, largley against their own will, owns NOTHING , frm the time they are born?

Were you born on the land that you took the wood from? Was there someone there already, that you killed to get the wood?

What if someone can kill you? Do they get your wood and tools?

Anybody check out the “Civony” add above? Looks like a Polish equivalent to an Aloha Airlines add?

Shenonymous—-“Crimes against women,” “Hatred of
women.”  Sounds like “performative utterances”
to me!

Night-Gaunt, April 17 at 1:18 pm

BEWARE TO ALL READING COMMENTS MADE BY THE ABOVE FOR IF YOU ARE TOO YOUNG OR DUMB OR MENTALLY CHALLENGED IN ANY WAY YOU MIGHT THINK THIS GUY OR GAL OR IT MAY BE RIGHT———-BUT LET ME TELL YOU FOR SURE HE SHE IT IS NOT.

BUT EVEN IF THE COMMENTS ARE SO DREADFULLY WRONG I STILL LAUGH AT THE SOURCE SO WHAT EVER CAN BE WRONG ABOUT A GOOD LAUGH.

Shenonymous, don’t forget the real first bride of Adam’s was known as Lilith who was made of the same stuff as Adam (or Adama) but she was robustly independent and would not listen to Adam so she left to cavort and fornicate with angels (demons) while JHVH used one of Adam’s ribs to make a more subservient bride—Eve. She however was comely and some would say devious in that she used her feminine wiles to entice Adam to take a bite of the forbidden fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil [One of the attributes of JHVH, the other was Immortality*.] That was used to explain why we are where we are. Lilith, the first feminist! Which explains why she is considered the first vampire. Eve did no better being punished twice for disobeying and the man only once.

*Elijah is and exception because he was tasked with a job he was to fulfill at sometime in the future.

Shenonymous, April 17 at 5:32 am

TO ALL SHENONYMOUS IS RIGHT———- THOSE WHO DISAGREE GO STUDY

READ

SEX IN HISTORY ISBN 0-8128-6115-9
THE JEWISH WAY IN LOVE AND MARRIAGE ISBN 0-06-064915-1
MORALITY AND EROS RICHARD L. RUBENSTEIN
EROS AND THE JEWS ISBN 0-465-023033-X

Crimes against women over the millennia humankind has walked the earth has been barbarous and heinous atrocities plain and simple.  The argument over a woman’s womb as her sanctity is inviolable regardless of what might be thought by any man.  Religion has brought the eternal humiliation of womanhood to be A Thing to submit to the will of men.  According to the holy books of Abraham, all sin, all error, all thirst for knowledge are attributable to that fateful choice of one alleged first woman, the mother of all humankind, Eve.  Po’ Adam, now mind you, was innocent: the First Fool, the first to Submit, he who taught Submission from the first.  And when that snake talks, for all snakes talk don’t they? who does the snake (a sexless entity since the snake is supposedly a disguise for de debble who was a sexless angel thrown out of heaven for not being submissive) talk to?  Why of course the one with a defiaint brain, the woman.

Hatred of women is a form of hatred of the intelligence that the Abrahamic God forbade.  That humans have any intelligence at all is directly blamed by the three major religions on our Eternal Temptress!  Forget about our Mitochontrial Eve, viz, the first genetically identified ancestral woe-man (an earned appellation).  I read recently in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia that all woe-men are daughters of Eve and like her are seen as having the “very qualities” that the Abrahamic God tried to avoid (as if God had to “try” at anything, was not “omnipotent,” ah but I digress):  those qualities being inquisitiveness, curiosity, and they also generate the worst thing for man, desire!  The notion of Original Sin is That Sin committed by our First Mother.  We owe our entire existence to Our Mother, Eve.  For without her Sin, no children would have ever been born.  The Bible detests woe-men.  They hold only mothers and wives in exaltation. To assuage Eve’s Original Sin, woe-men for eternity must become wives and bear the children of their husbands.  They must never have time to be female. Do not forget that woe-man was made second in the Bible.  From all the choices available, she is fashioned from a rib no less, a lesser cut, could we say that which has the least amount of meat!  The subordination of woe-men begins in the Abrahamic comic arena with She Who Committed the Original Sin and Ate of the Tree of Knowledge! And curses to her body!  And all her unfertilized eggs.  My gawd! an unfertilized egg extols the virtue of the feminine not the mother!

Then we come to the horror of abortion.  Ah yes, the monotheistic God gets angry at planned parenthood, because Humans Know the Mind of God; for Catholics and Muslims, bearing children is the function, a “fixed horizon” I read recently. And Jews consider children to be the “condition of their survival.”  When something is spoken enough it is said to become believable.  It is called performative utterances.  Just saying something makes it reality.  It is said every life has an inherent and inalienable worth.  That is of course if those lives are of one’s own faith, for there was no compunction not to kill millions of Muslims under the last US Christian president, it was due to a whisper from his God!  That doesn’t go only one direction.  Muslims have killed millions themselves in the name of Allah.  I have heard it said that “every single human being is a child of God.”  Is that true?

So the questions are in the final analysis:  Are women evil by inherent nature? Are women only vessels for bearing children?  Are humans children of God?  Do all humans have the inalienable right to life?  Any kind of life?  Just how really really really ‘sacred’ is life?  And when exactly does embryonic cytoplasm become endo/ectoplasmically human?  The fact that women are human is a negligible fact and one that men (particularly religious men) off-handedly toss in the dumpster of life.

Inherit the Wind—-You say that a woman has a right
to her own womb.  Does the child in that womb have a
right?  Speaking of children in the womb, what if the
only way to get to Heaven was to come through this
hell-hole called earth.  In that case, millions of
children have been denied entrance into heaven just
because the ignorant self-centered woman aborting
the children wouldn’t allow them the opportunity to
get to Heaven!  YOU TALK ABOUT RIGHTS!

“Isms” and “Ists” the necessity of filling pigeon holes,  simplistic thoughts in defining differences of people. Us and them, you and me, used to enlist the fostered distaste of contention. You and me is not as important as Us and Them, for the mass movement requires many, not the few. Complete lack of reason, seems a requirement.  Collective differences in agreement, tandem agreements to not be happy with life of the present, the government, the world. So not fair as perceived by the more than two.    Individual thought is frowned upon, groups find it necessary to make the individual become an oddity for the many make society in the minds of larger numbers, like the mob in Ox Bow Incident.    Constant stoking of these perceived differences to create credibility for the simple minded, this need to belong and not be alone, so as a flock or pack the instilled minds are one, so this is the tea bag movment?

Well how to respond to your upright and literate decostruction of my writings? The first comment, SHOUTED as it was and ad hominem without evidence and full of emotion, should in polite company be ignored. I am sorry if I intimidate you, it is just me responding in my own way as you in your peculiar way do for yourself. No pretensions please?

The rest is junk and since you refuse to answer any of my questions then neither will I to your constant nattering like the buzz of knats, bothersome but no big deal.

Night-Gaunt, April 16 at 12:26 pm

MY TAKE ON YOUR MORONIC AND IDIOTIC STATMENTS

Poor pitiful postulating pontificating professing nighthawk, spiting out words in phrases that makes no sense at all and doing it all to impress the others that post the most to show them how he has the fastest tongue in the west.

You talk about dominion theology as if all folks knew what your words mean. Most folks that set in those congregations have not a clue.  They just go and get married and buried there and that is that. It is the FAT CATS that get together and hypothesized about taking over——not the followers, and in America those FAT CATS WOULD GET THE AXE if their members had a clue what they were doing going around giving each other back rubs and this and that.

So cool it MR. Know it all and calm down what is your problem being normal do you have a mental condition?

Night-Gaunt, April 16 at 12:26 pm

DO YOU TAKE PRIDE IN CLOSELY TRYING YOUR BEST TO FIND SOMETHING TO BITCH ABOUT?

MAYBE you should read American History books instead of some of the other books that surround you while you are in your sand box behind dads garage.

“Christianity was the worse threat facing America as said by Janet Reno, and now being repeated by Janet Napolitano in a report that has now began to leak out.  You and your Obamessiah can keep the change I will keep my guns, Christianity, Money, and Freedom thank you.”
        Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
          John R. Bloxson Jr.

Typical Trithoverlies, you are just another reich-winger Dominionist-type following the fascist herd without even finding out what is being talked about. It stressed “right-wing extremists” so if you are not you have nothing to worry about. Also “left-wing extremists” were also talked about. Do you fit either profile? If so then yes you may have something to be concerned about. It is actually true the Christian fundamentalist theocrats want to take over the USA and throw out the Constitution/Bill of Rights and replace it with Leviticus as the Law of the Land. Many of them on the airwaves and in print promote it but won’t acknowledge it directly if queried. As they should for they want a revolution, an overthrow of our republic, to return to the times of the 17th century theocracies here in N. America. They wax so nostalgic for it they confuse them with our own founding by Enlightenment schooled men in the 18th century.

First you lift your opponent way too high then rip them down to the very depths of Hell. A rhetorical device used to damage your opponent without facts to substantiate it. So are you and your vile volkische ilk with Obama even when he is keeping in place many of the Smirking Chimp’s (with Darth Cheney looming large behind him) draconian and un-Constitutional actions during the past 8 years!

How is pres. Obama attacking your Christianity, Guns, Money or Freedom? Please list for us where he has done so?

WHO HAS A RIGHT OF MIND TO THINK RIGHT ANY LONGER?

WILL ROGERS said some time ago I NEVER MET A MAN I DIDN’T LIKE.  And I am a native born son of the great state of OKLAHOMA as WILL—- and I would like to say today I NEVER MET A MAN THAT I WOULD NOT RUN FROM.

Generations apart and look at us now?  What a bunch of misfit morose morons with grand theft in mind have come along to lie, cheat and steal even unto taking away our solvency and sovereignty as a Nation.

Now unlike many of the big Political guys and gals that like to be seen with everyone all the time, I do not.  For why would I ever want to be seen smiling with a bunch from the failed and faulted GOP, LIKUD party the NEO CONS, BILDERBERGS or the many in another crime business the MAFIA?  So yes I will run from them, but when doing I will devise ways to bring alight and aright to the right’s wrong deeds and words that have beset our Great and Abundant America.

Then on another notion many on that side of the fence have some folks posted around to take ones out any way they can. Do you get that?  So why be seen with those inclined to hire folks to do their dirty work for at the core of most like that beats the heart of a chicken hawk.  Try to name just a few of the hundreds that have made Washington DC their stomping grounds for years laying out the plans that have come full circle today.

Forget about needed reforms new policies procedures for the common good for taking care of widows and orphans, our sick and dying veterans, our national health care system going to the ravage dogs, energy lies on every corner of every street, student loans that can not be paid back, families living in tents for their homes have been ransacked by the repo man, our prisons and jails are running over with those with minor charges against the STATE alcohol and marijuana crimes——but do not forget this the BIGGER DEAL——- THAT SEEMS TO BE FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS TODAY IS THE GRAND THEFT OF OUR NATION BY THE ROBBER BARONS.

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Islam is the Government, Hinduism in India is the Government, Christianity on the other hand is a personal relationship with the Creator God of the Bible. Christianity does hold to curtian principles such as don’t practice a behavior that is always dangerious to the Body and soul. Don’t cheat others, don’t lie to them, don’t cheat on them, don’t hate since that is murder within the heart, Do not steal your neighbors belongings, do not committ adultery with your neighbors spouse. Gee what is wrong with treating each other with respect, what is wrong with having a solid foundation to build on over a foundation built on shifting sand one will keep you through the storms of life while the other will bring down the house on your head. So in the long run Christianity is good for modernity because it give it a solid foundation to build on, not like Positivistic Law which treats Law as something to be changed to fit a new Idea that when tested shows it for what it is garbage. Hitlers henchmen would have been set free since they were only following the laws of their society.  We are now beginning to see this same mentality developing here as one Judge appointed to the federal bench said “he could see a day when American common Law worked side by side with Sharia Law.” That is the Law of Slavery and we will have one, or the other not both together they are incompatable and Diametrically opposed to one another Secular Progressive you guys are going up a dead end Culdesac that will lead to slavery and Radical Facist Islamic Dictatorship, or as spoken of by Amahenajad and the Ayatollah Khamenei An Islamic Caliphate of the World. There will be no free exchange of Ideas in such a world and you will lose your head if you try to argue against Radical Facist Islam. So you guy’s need to come down out of the cloud into the real World where our very lives are at stake in a War not of our choosing but one which was chosen long ago where good battles evil. Evil is exactly what Radical Facist Islam is in all its forms Jamil Islam, The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Hezbullah, Hamas, Wahabism, Radical Shi’itism, The Talhaban, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Al Queda to name a few. We are at WAR so stop thinking in the pre-911 mind set that claimed Christianity was the worse threat facing America as said by Jenet Reno, and now being repeated by Janet Napolitano in a report that has now began to leak out.  You and your Obamessiah can keep the change I will keep my guns, Christianity, Money, and Freedom thank you.
            Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
              John R. Bloxson Jr.

KDelphi, April 15 at 6:37 pm #

They are angry at the wrong targets, as Rand was.
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Are you KDelphi’s evil twin or something?  How can any SANE person possibly infer anything like that from what I wrote?

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I can see , from past things that you have said, why you would think that most things can be owned. A better question would be, in a moral society, should they be owned.
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Yes, definitely things should be owned.  Let’s start with a woman’s right to own her own womb.  We have an inalienable right to own our own bodies, male or female. Also, if I pick up a piece of scrap wood and whittle it with an old bone into a flute, why do YOU then have a right to take it from me, or even use it?

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If they should be owned, shouldnt some things be owned in common? Who decides who owns some things. Doesnt a person have a right to the necessities of life just by virue of being born?
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Provided by who?  Who has to do without? Who has to starve if there isn’t enough?  You see, you quickly get into replacing the currency of MERIT with the currency of NEED.  (right now we are suffering the effects of the third—the currency of CORRUPTION)

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If a child has a right to certain things, at what age do you decide that they are “on their own”? Is it a certain behavior they display, or a certain religion that decides? Should one be able to enforce their beliefs about responsibility onto others? If the govt mandates that almost everyone pay into a program (like social security) does that make it a more viable program than any other that all pay into? (I’ve heard you deny social programs before but defend social security—doesnt make sense to me, except out of a Randian sense of self-interest).
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You keep failing to ask the key question: Produced by WHOM?  It doesn’t just fall like manna from heaven.  Somebody has to make it happen by the sweat of their brow—whether it’s a strategic leader or a sweating bracero SOMEBODY has to do the work.  What’s to keep them from saying “No! I’ll only do JUST enough to feed just me and my family.”  Gonna whip’em and take his kids away because he won’t work for the ones that DON’T make enough to feed their kids?

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\ 42% of what everyone pays in taxes, now, goes for war and its related armaments. (It may be that, as the bailout is paid off, more wil actually go to Wall St—-that is who people should be protesting)In Ohio, I -pay plenty in property taxes, although no one in my immediate family (save when I was growing up)has ever benefitted from them.
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Yeah, peace IS a hell of a lot cheaper than war. I’d like that too.

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I was wrong about the Zionist part (from what i read). I still think her “value” system was all screwed up and, I do not understand how you can adhere to her theories and not be a laiassez fare capitalist. If you are one, I dont know how you can be a Democrat.
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Because I’m not an unadulturated laissez-faire capitalist.  Haven’t you been paying attention?  You said once you didn’t read my posts.  Clearly you still aren’t and just GUESSING about what you think I probably wrote.

So I’m not wasting any more time on YOUR post.  You don’t read what I write and then just make up shit that you can pretend I said and then argue against.

CHANGE OF THE PACE FOR THOSE THAT P THE M
Tom Thomson in Doubt
Lay down them projects for the crackling stars.
The hourglass sifts itself.  Stars sprawl and blaze
in every each direction, and their howl
torments him into sleep.  There was a point
from which they all emerged, of infinite mass,
through which he right now passes possibly through,
knowing it not.  But then, what does he know?
And what could tell he to another ear?
Ears tilt away from him now when he speaks,
and people form strange patterns, fields, as if
a magnet he, and iron filings they.
“Lay down,” he just repeats, “them projects.”  He
gives often to himself advice, and trusts
himself, though less these days, to get it right.

Tom Thomson in Stereo
The all-day all-night FM radio station
that broadcasts just south of his cerebellum
has switched formats. Now
it’s Greatest Misses From Your Teens and Twenties:
a looped guitar set on Repeat Repeat
overdub-echoed, greased with Frippertronics;
an anxious dream in which, again, again,
he do, he say, exactly the wrong thing,
or miss the meaningful, inviting glance,
or stand on shore as the last boat, last chance,
pass by his little island.  Twist the knob,
the song remain the same.  He needs anten-
nae longer than the ones he got to hear
the tune of glad heart that must somewhere play.

Tom Thomson in his office, Thursday afternoon
Fills out grant applications.  Honestly.
Although they asked him not to.  That’s, you know,
against the rules.  Is honesty, that is.
And knows he therefore will not one red cent
get from them this year.  Nor desires he to.
Rejection is his muse.  He thrives on it!
(Who else can say they thrive on anything?)
These days, that is.  (His father’s phrase.)  But he’s
more strong than they by far:  For he can smile
and hoist a planet onto shoulder, he
can laugh at pain (and knows more pain than they)
more pain, more love, more lust, more everything!
He is made stronger what does not kill him.
And what does kill him, make him stronger still. 

Tom Thomson in Flanders Fields

The poppies grow, between the crosses row

by regimented row, and as they bob

pathetic Tom bobs too (I mean sym-

pathetic, for our man is overcome

and only refuge he can find is in

corrective fantasy: 1916

with Thomson gun in one hand, Thomson girl

in other, doffs his cap he, take his leave,

and head to France to shoot up several Germans.

(Ignore the fact that he’s a pacifist,

and closest he has come to shoot a gun

is his excessive use of bullet points;

it’s his fantasy, for Christ’s sake!))  Tom,

he linger for a while, then go home.

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Troy Jollimore’s poetry has appeared in Ploughshares, The Malahat Review, Margie: The American Journal of Poetry, and other publications.  His symbiotic relationship with the fictional character Tom Thomson is the subject of a forthcoming documentary short subject, Me and My Other: A (Half-)Life in Poetry.

ITW—You must have been very proud that there were Ayn Rand pics on posters today at the “Tea Parties”, protesting Pres. Obama’s budget.(or whatever the hell they are protesting or think that they are)

They are angry at the wrong targets, as Rand was.

I can see , from past things that you have said, why you would think that most things can be owned. A better question would be, in a moral society, should they be owned.

If they should be owned, shouldnt some things be owned in common? Who decides who owns some things. Doesnt a person have a right to the necessities of life just by virue of being born? If a child has a right to certain things, at what age do you decide that they are “on their own”? Is it a certain behavior they display, or a certain religion that decides? Should one be able to enforce their beliefs about responsibility onto others? If the govt mandates that almost everyone pay into a program (like social security) does that make it a more viable program than any other that all pay into? (I’ve heard you deny social programs before but defend social security—doesnt make sense to me, except out of a Randian sense of self-interest).
\ 42% of what everyone pays in taxes, now, goes for war and its related armaments. (It may be that, as the bailout is paid off, more wil actually go to Wall St—-that is who people should be protesting)In Ohio, I -pay plenty in property taxes, although no one in my immediate family (save when I was growing up)has ever benefitted from them.

I was wrong about the Zionist part (from what i read). I still think her “value” system was all screwed up and, I do not understand how you can adhere to her theories and not be a laiassez fare capitalist. If you are one, I dont know how you can be a Democrat.

Being intelligent just makes you intelligent. It doesnt make you correct, and, it doesnt mean that your theories will lead to any good. If they dont, they are only of academic interest, unless some zero mind picks them up and uses then to be selfish. It seems to me that most so-called Randians are only agaisnt programs that they themselves do not benefit from personally. The hell with society, and, then we get the rot of inner cities, the desicration of the VA, etc, like we did under the Bushes.

I heard one guy say, online, talking about universal heatlh care, “Hell, no I dont believe in SCHIP!! I’ve already got 4 kids on it!” Rand wouldve loved him . She led peopel like that around by the nose.

From what I have seen Ayn Rand was a type of psychopath that used, abused and disposed of people as she saw fit and wanted to embrace others in her cult of personality. Maybe not psychopathy, but perhaps with a Psychizotyple Personality Disorder which would have problems with social interaction, lacks deep empathy, excellent verbal skills and are prone to gandiose ideas like ” Objectivism” and spread it far and wide. Intelligence isn’t affected and could be enhanced as her’s were. I see that this type of thing if it occured some 2,000 years ago could have started a religion. Maybe Paul was just that sort of person who created Christianity as we know it. [Sythesized from Judaism, the Attis cult, stories of a Savior to come and his own visions…]

Dwight——I worked several years with those in the
ivory towers but thank God I came down and rubbed
elbows with humans instead of ideas.  For example,
while teaching Educational Psychology, I noticed a
student who daily sat in the back of the class with
his head down.  One day after class, I ask him to join me in the student union for coffee.  I learned
he had just lost his father.  He was probably 21 or
22 years old.  Any age is a terrible time to lose a
parent but it is especially tramatic for a male at
his age.  Conflict often develops between a boy and
his father during the boys teens and early twenties.
This conflict often serves the purpose of pushing
the boy out of the nest and out on his own.  Then,
later in life the boy will come back to his father
(or mother) in a different type of relationship.  Well, this boys father died before he had the opportunity to come back in that different type of
relationship.  He was experiencing a great deal of
guilt over the death of his father because of some
of the conflict between them during his teen years,
conflict that had not been resolved.  I don’t know
anything about Gary Cherniss.  I guess I reacted more
to the ideas I have of many Industrial Psychologist.
I think they are more interested in money than people, which I know is a vague generalization.  I
hope you don’t take what I am about to say the wrong
way.  Your post are too long.  When some people see
the length they will not read what you have to say.
I know you are a loving caring individual who uses
your knowledge to try to make peoples lives better.
I think you would be more successful if you ask
yourself, “How can I accomplish my objectives by using less words?”  Perhaps more people would read
your comments.  Don’t misunderstand me.  I love you.
We are Christian brothers trying to make a better
world for all.  Some will listen and some won’t.
That’s the nature of people but you might be more
successful with shorter comments, as I contradict
myself by writing this essay! Ha!

“Given that values are not matters of subjective opinion but features of the world, the belief in a false value is tantamount to a denial of reality—and anyone who upholds a false value is morally responsible for the consequences of his or her thoughts. A Randian intellectual thus faces extremely limited options in dealing with people who espouse a mistaken or pernicious view. If unfamiliar with Objectivist principles, they may yet be brought to reason. This is worth pursuing if the person is young and has not yet thought through Rand’s ideas. But an adult who advocates, say, progressive taxation is in the grip of a malign psycho-epistemology that is probably irreversible—though this same person may well share the Objectivist stance on other issues, like abortion. To join with such people in political activity is unacceptable. That would implicitly sanction with them bad ideas. But so would any sustained dialogue, beyond the point at which it was clear they rejected Objectivism (and hence were morally culpable for all consequences of their reality evasion).”

This is either dogmatic attachment to a belief system, or, I would thnnk, any easy way out of admitting that there may be other opinions that make sense.
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KD:
I think you are FINALLY getting to the point of understanding.  See, what you have illustrated is the Objectivist as Hypocrite.  To me, no TRUE Randian would take Rand’s interpretations as “Must be true.”  Yet they did.  And Rand, as the ultimate hypocrite insisted they do so, like a cultist leader.

But is the method itself flawed or did they just get caught up in her ego and cult of personality?  Could I have fought her in that arena? Probably not.  Successfully? No.  But I WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED!

Rand and her followers (especially those of Brandon and his psychology practice) assumed, like the Russian and Chinese Marxists they detested, that disagreement was a form of mental illness.

It was Rand’s own misuse of her tools that I reject!

Furthermore, while Rand laid down an interesting and fascinating interpretation of the economic society that led her to her conclusions, there were numerous pieces of the puzzle she left out either by ignorance or design.

For example: Who owns the air? Why do YOU have a right to dump poisons into air that blows over ME?  Rand didn’t understand the economic concept of a public good—something nobody can own.  She tried or hoped to force it into her market model.  Of course, it doesn’t work.  People dump their waste wherever it’s convenient for them, regardless of the DEADLY effects on others.  Rand never grasped this.

I can give myriad examples.  But the point is that analysis based on premises and logic isn’t flawed.  It only is when you cheat in the analysis, as so many do across the political spectrum.

Christian,

That post was not intended for you, he is a scholar and I doubt if he lives in an ivory tower.  The relevance of me posting that was so some at TRUTHDIG could get to digging in their own backyards.  IE: the wealth held in intelligence is in knowing how to get along with others first and foremost and we know how cruel some have been to use on TRUTHDIG simply because they felt and acted superior and felt comfort in punishing us for they were in an exclusive club, that I called THE ONES THAT POST THE MOST.  Now some that have come along have not been that type and some here now are coming around to be more sane sanguine and sound in humanity issues. 

Your comments have been profound and after reading some things about your life I know why. Many today run from those suffering and many today run when they are suffering and to that end our sometimes sick society of miss fits that have moronic views about real life get caught up in an exclusionary mindset to be content to sit alone and in themselves and try to figure out what they did all wrong to deserve the guilt shame blame and humiliation of being just a human.

Accordingly when some set to teach comes along——for a time those many get a breath of fresh air and because of that that man or woman trying to teach is doing all they can. Yet what is severely needed and seems most are clueless about how that is done——- becoming involved in a community of folks that help each other in all ways to just make it. And hats off to the creator of TRUTHDIG for in his small way of being trained well and having a good kind heart here is the evidence that he too is providing a connection for folks to come together from all across our great planet and touch one another in words.

Christian 2

Sometimes those words have led many to see deeds too from those that care and listen to their good and improved conscience leads them along. IE: just yesterday one of my friends on CARE 2 was concerned about my welfare of fighting day and night for the cause of starting a good and morally sound lobby effort for the people in the USA to have a voice and vote in all actions in our cities, states and Federal Government. So because of CARE 2 in efforts to help all reach out she sent me a wonderful little card with some real inspiring music that picked me up and put me back on my feet to war again for the rights of life for all. In We The People Advocacy.

I have been here on TRUTHDIG with a divine purpose to learn and then when learning be able to give back. And then the man that owns TRUTHDIG I wanted to be close to his work and in doing maybe give him enough insight to see that We The Peoples Advocacy was the only way to save our great and abundant Nation.

Thus as you have said a new awakening must come to our Generation, THANK GOD. Many of us are not inane to the political games and about all the needs in our communities that go unmeet, because of those that worship self in their overt need for greed they do not believe that all people GODS PEOPLE have the rights to life.  I promise I will rectify that for you.

I am but one but given the opportunity to CHAMP to your cause as stated I will do so remotely but so what.  All my work is unto My God My KING the Lord Jesus Christ.  So whatever you need done HE is a majority of ONE.

CHEERS and all our PRAYERS go up for you at this time

Your Friend and Confidant Dwight

Dwight—-As most psychologists, Gary Chernriss should
come down from his ivory tower and take a look about
him.  With the unemployment and underemployment rate
increasing in America, he may want to study the emotional effect upon society in general and the
family in particular on being unemployed and under-
employed.  Now, if he really wants to apply his
research(I’d be interested in knowing the parameters of his study) to industrial workers, I suggest he
take A SLOW BOAT TO CHINA.

She—Peace. I still agree with you on most stuff. I really was just trying to make a joke about Rand. I didnt/dont know that much about her. That is not unusual for someone not heavily schooled in philsophy, from what I read. But, even as I read more, as you know my feelings about laissez fare capitalism, you can understand why knowing MORE wouldnt exactly change my opinion, except that, yes, she was very complex, and, now it is hard to separate her from the followers who have interpreted her.

ITW—“Zionist” has become a term of opinion. It has nothing to do with her fear of communism. (I interpret it as someone who thinks that the “land of Zion” (Israel) belongs excelusively to Hebrews.) When truthdigger3 (I think?) said she was a Zionist, I said that I didnt know. From what i have read (not alot), many of her followers use her Jewish heritage to push Zionism. Israel was not so important to her. I might have been wrong in calling her a Zionist, but, many do not think that that is a bad thing, and, many define it differently. It is certainly not the case for all of Jewish heritage.

It is very hard to separate Rand from “Randions” nowadays, and from Ron Paulions, so I wont even try.(here is an example of some of the “zionist” thought I found) “A World Without Zionism” which quotes some bigots)

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2005/10/the_world_witho.html

But, I think that it is important to point out her subjective fear of “communism” (which many still possess), which is understandable , given her childhood. However , it is not understandable in this day, to the point of “fearing” progressive policies or “socialisms” as in the EU. I think that it is often used as a fear tactic, to get people to vote against their own best interests.

For intance, this may be what a true objectivist (?) would think of discussing the ideas with me or any liberal: (It begins by describing Kelley, who has tried to bring some of her ideas into popular consciousness)

“Given that values are not matters of subjective opinion but features of the world, the belief in a false value is tantamount to a denial of reality—and anyone who upholds a false value is morally responsible for the consequences of his or her thoughts. A Randian intellectual thus faces extremely limited options in dealing with people who espouse a mistaken or pernicious view. If unfamiliar with Objectivist principles, they may yet be brought to reason. This is worth pursuing if the person is young and has not yet thought through Rand’s ideas. But an adult who advocates, say, progressive taxation is in the grip of a malign psycho-epistemology that is probably irreversible—though this same person may well share the Objectivist stance on other issues, like abortion. To join with such people in political activity is unacceptable. That would implicitly sanction with them bad ideas. But so would any sustained dialogue, beyond the point at which it was clear they rejected Objectivism (and hence were morally culpable for all consequences of their reality evasion).”

This is either dogmatic attachment to a belief system, or, I would thnnk, any easy way out of admitting that there may be other opinions that make sense.

But, i think that Kelley was correct about it being pointless to argue her points. However, later, Kelley retracted and said that there WAS value in discussing with a profesor of Marxism, who was not, in fact “the same as Pol Pot”...lol on and on.

He was later shunned for this…whew!  http://www.mclemee.com/id39.html  (“The Heirs of Ayn Rand”)

Yes, I think you can separate some of her philsophy from her writing, and how it has been interpreted. I still dont know alot. But, she, herself, seemed to think that you were either an 1)Objectivist or 2) wrong. I dont think that I am either one. Since you dont follow her, philsophically, I gues you arent either.

“God” won’t leave until the human species evolves away from the need for one and not before. So we need to stop arguing and protect each other’s right to not conform to anyone else’s religion. Or else we will have religious wars like now.

Leefeller, April 14 at 12:54 pm #

Thrasymachuses? Last time I went to the doctor, he told me I had Thrasymachuses. He said I needed to cut back on Tequila, though I had already quit the salt, now all I can have is sucking on limes.

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Yeah?  My doctor said to cut out the lime and salt and switch to Chinaco Anejo.  He must get a cut but it’s GOOOOOOOOOOOD stuff! Wait! I feel a bout coming on!  Darn! I have to wait till I get home to get some relief!

Leefeller, I have tears in me eyes from laughing.  Thank goodness you bring such mirth (also an affliction of the throat) to the forums.  Levity as you know is my sacred bull.  ‘Cept I have to watch out for the bull crap.  Oh boy, it takes special shoes with wings on the back.  Sorry about grandma/mom handbag thing.  The fear you instilled in me will keep me away from either of them for eternity!  Limes aren’t so bad.  Better than a rotten strawberry.  For a little idea of who Thrasy is check out Plato’s Republic.  Course it is a very very very long story.  Maybe good for bathroom reading, like a few other long books.  Book seven has the Cave Allegory, so it does have some metaphors worth looking into.  Also, try Satanic Verses, one of my favorite books of all time, but a very long one too, or the bath where I prefer to read.  Washing away all m’sins.  I suppose showers are more efficient but can’t read in the shower, well maybe some can???  I don’t like to be soooo absolute.

Maybe Rushdie wouldn’t have made the Imam’s day if the Imam had been drinking tequila Leefeller had to cut back on.  Fatwas, yeah, let them put the fear of death out there for speaking, and flush freedom of speech down the good old and useful shithole where many good and bad ideas get sluiced.  Yeah, freedom of the press and all that implies.  Reletared to obscurity.  Rushdie?  Probably not since his writing is extraordinary.  Haroun and Stories of the Sea is enchanting, and The Moor’s Last Sigh, beautiful.  It isn’t even so much the grand stories, most creative of course, but how he writes, so beautifully, the vocabulary and the knowledge behind so many subjects he infuses into the stories, that are an education in themselves.  I place him with Eco and Calvino (the latter being my favorite of all time, and eternity).  I find I am loving that word eternity since Leefeller brought it up on another forum.  I find I cannot stop saying it, gad, is it an affliction for all eternity? 

I feel a song coming on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcow2IOELQ

The best is yet to come…..

Night-Gaunt, April 14 at 1:01 pm
FYI

Emotional Intelligence: What it is and Why it Matters
Cary Cherniss
Graduate School of Applied and Professional Psychology
Rutgers University
152 Frelinghuysen Road
Piscataway, NJ 08854
732-445-2187
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
http://www.eiconsortium.org
Paper presented at the Annual Meeting of the Society for Industrial and Organizational
Psychology, New Orleans, LA, April 15, 2000
Consortium for Research on Emotional Intelligence in Organizations               Emotional Intelligence 2

Conclusion

So is there anything new about emotional intelligence? In some ways, emotional Intelligence really is not new. In fact, it is based on a long history of research and theory in personality and social, as well as I/O, psychology. Furthermore, Goleman has never claimed otherwise. In fact, one of his main points was that psychologists have studied the abilities associated with emotional intelligence for many years, and there is an impressive, and growing, body of research suggesting that these abilities are important for success in many areas of life.

However, rather than arguing about whether emotional intelligence is new, I believe it is more useful and interesting to consider how important it is for effective performance at work. Although I have not had the time to cover very much of it, I hope I have shown that there now is a considerable body of research suggesting that a person’s ability to perceive, identify, and manage emotion provides the basis for the kinds of social and emotional competencies that are important for success in almost any job. Furthermore, as the pace of change increases and the world of work makes ever-greater demands on a person’s cognitive, emotional, and physical resources, this particular set of abilities will become increasingly important. And that is good news for I/O psychologists, for they are the ones who are best situated to help clients to use emotional intelligence to improve both productivity and psychological well being in the workplace of tomorrow.
Consortium for Research on Emotional Intelligence in Organizations

http://www.talentsmart.com/media/uploads/pdfs/eq-what-it-is.pdf
Consortium for Research on Emotional Intelligence in Emotional Organizations Intelligence 1            
( http://www.eiconsortium.org )

Dwight Baker a little bit of research that might enhance the ability for some to communicate in the common expression between Homo sapiens in language—- spoken or in written form.

No answer to the simple questions I posed directly then you are fine. Just say so or nothing at all. Don’t go on about nonsense and insult my intelligence with your non-answers and equivocations. I was just more direct with my little insult to you than you were to me. No more now. You are a waste of my time so I shall leave it at that.

Thrasymachuses? Last time I went to the doctor, he told me I had Thrasymachuses. He said I needed to cut back on Tequila, though I had already quit the salt, now all I can have is sucking on limes.

By the way She, that was my grandmother who used her handbag to gain peoples attention, my mom was a thrower of things, usually clothes pins from her apron. She could throw with the accuracy of a professional baseball player. My long time suspicion is my dads bigotry and religious fervor may have been caused from many glancing blows to his noggin.

To this day I have a fear of clothes pins!

Night-Gaunt

We must get to the act right now of being CIVIL.  I said we.  Now I am going to flip a coin then I will not look you contact me back and choose heads or tails the who ever loses will have to drive to the others location and buy supper. 

Now I agree with that kind of deal do you?

Now what ever you call is for sure is a good deal for YOU——- the RULES heads I will tails you LOSE.  OK

I have got some good pals and gals to see in San Francisco if I should lose.

DB

She,

I’ll defer to you on Rushdie’s quality—I don’t know enough…but I still think he’d be obscure without the hype of the fatwa.  I’ve never heard that he’s the next Noble Laureate in letters…..

Still, a man has a right to write it—boring or fantastic.  And Stevens made excuses for the fatwa….

Shenonymous, April 14 at 12:17 pm #

Seems you dug for the TRUTH and found it LOL

I see the big pissing contest going on… again.  Guys will be guys.  A microcosm of why the world is in the shithole it is.

DB

I disagree with you ITW on Rushdie’s Satanic Verses.  Far as I am concerned it is one of the great classics of modern time giving a fantastic insight into the battle between good (Gibreel aka Gabriel the Archangel, the real Messenger) and evil (Chamcha aka Shaitan, ah…de debble).  Story turns out pretty good for both.  Now that is interesting in itself.  Rushdie is one of the worlds greatest intellects who knows a whole shitload of stuff about the world and human nature, and could talk rings around just about anybody, cept maybe a run-off-the-end-of-the-mouth (do we know any of those?) ranters on TD.  If you haven’t read it, I suggest you do so and read very slowly to absorb the sorcery of his writing abilities.

I see the big pissing contest going on… again.  Guys will be guys.  A microcosm of why the world is in the shithole it is.  Reminds me of the reason why Leefeller whaps me on the head once in a while with his mom’s handbag.  ‘Cept I don’t believe in violence of any sort.  It is an act of exasperation.  But as Aristotle said, “give unto a thing only what it is worth.”  How much time and effort is it worth to knock one’s head against a concrete blockhead.  The Cat Steven’s story is only interesting en passant.  Just as he converted to Islam, many others (of the glamorous world of entertainment) have converted to Judaism, and even many more to Christianity.  The fact that he was detained is a function of the company he chose to keep.  In the time of now, Muslims are suspect, not because most of them are guilty of nothing except breathing and having a life, but because many of their compatriots have chosen to do violence to innocents, purposely, hiding behind their religion, and innocents, to do so.  There is no morality in that.  They are simply without varnish immoral.  They go against their own holy book.  So if Cat Steven’s makes choices that on the surface seems unjust when detained, it is because below the surface lies a history of fanaticism that scares the hell out of everyone else.  Ethnic profiling is a vile practice but then it is something that was forced, in this case, by the ethnic group’s beliefs that spawned his adopted though-claimed-benign-benevolent beliefs.  So how is the world to believe him when his adopted ethnics do otherwise?  Such profiling goes on in other areas such as by policemen against blacks, and homosexuals by right-wing extremists.  When cases become known, it either results in prosecution by the upholders of the law, or at the least, vilification by the public.  Either way, it does not go unnoticed.  What is justice?  Time decides.  Shall we all be Thrasymachuses and think brutality decides?

Night-Gaunt, April 14 at 10:47 am
response

I will not re-read all of this supposed GOD is GOD is NOT commenting for you or for whomever if the questions then were not profound——what that tells me they were asked for derision in creating divisionary acts with purpose——Now for those many others that will read your comments will see like me that you are the one that has a disgusting and unfavorable human behavior not me.

But I remain a confidant with you and ALL OTHERS ON TRUTHDIG in helping all——to see our way to save our NATION that is at risk at this time.

DB

<i>“Answering question from nighthawk I will try if he will simply cut and paste them again not a big problem for most.”—DB

You can read them again for this isn’t a spoken conversation. You are such a DICK. But a nice oozing type that is like a suppurating infection with occasional flare ups but if treated will eventually pass away. Crust over and fall off.

Let’s not forget that when Salman Rushdie had a fatwa issued blessing any Moslem who murders him (for writing the blasphemous “Satanic Verses), Cat Stevens publicly DEFENDED that very fatwa, a fatwa that STILL is in effect.

(of course they gave a pedantic, boring writing ENORMOUS press and book sales for dreary book that would have been FORGOTTEN in a year otherwise).

I never liked Cat Stevens’ music but until then I had nothing against the man per se.  Hell, I don’t like Barbara Streisand’s music one little bit and but I still think she’s a wonderful, gifted and extraordinary lady.

Leefeller, April 13 at 4:09 pm #
response

The piece on CAT STEVENS DID NOT COME OUT as I thought——so this is the track for all to make more sense
#1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens
#2http://wapedia.mobi/en/Cat_Stevens

I am sorry been back tracking——but the essence is that CAT had changed His name. He had been put on a list of suspected terrorist.  On the flight from London to the USA the manifest was forwarded and HE was noticed.  Now the rest of the story is that in some cases as he was in——the death penalty could be imposed.

Now the comment about no more religion come from looking at WIKI DEATH PENALTY on the subject all the big religions seems to espouse towards killing offenders. Yet I am not so certain about those facts.

Answering question from nighthawk I will try if he will simply cut and paste them again not a big problem for most.

DB