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Osbourne Show Provokes Free-Speech Fight in Fla.Posted on Mar 31, 2009
He’s not biting off bats’ heads at the moment, but Ozzy Osbourne has once again managed to stir up controversy, even in his autumn years. The flap this time is over “The Osbournes: Reloaded,” his new Fox TV variety show co-starring other members of his clan, which an affiliate in Panama City, Fla., has deemed unfit for viewing.
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By christian96, April 7 at 12:08 am #
Russian——It is obvious you haven’t read many of my
Report thispost on these sites. I worked as a School Psychologist. I’ve seen what fast food has done to
people, especially children. I have advocated
mandatory Child Development and Family Relations
courses to teach people not only how fast food and
other food choices are harmful to humans but to teach them also the media strategies the fast food
industry uses to manipulate their choices. In the
Bible God says, “people perish because of a lack of
understanding.” It’s hard to teach understanding to
people when most of the media is owned by a hand full of corporations who care more about the bottom
line than the health of people. You are absolutely
wrong in making the assertion that a person has the
right to ingest whatever they want. What if they are ingesting something that is tearing their families apart. THAT’S WHAT I MEANT ABOUT YOU NOT
LIVING ON EARTH BY YOURSELF. I assume, like the rest of us, you have people who love you and don’t
want to see you destroying yourself along with
them. Did you watch “Intervention” tonight from
8-10p.m. on A & E. If you did you know how injesting drugs was not only destroying the people
but also the people around them that love them. I’m
sorry. Someone must wiser than myself said, “No man/woman is an island.” Wake up and look around
at the people being destroyed by what they put in
their bodies.
By Russian Paul, April 6 at 8:37 pm #
How Christian of you - ignore the valid points I raise and reduce the argument to personal attacks. Go on make another marijuana joke and show your ignorance.
Report thisI know I’m not the only one on this planet, that is why I don’t selfishly impose my views on everyone like you do, I think parents and non-parents should have the FREEDOM of CHOICE to put what they want in their bodies. It doesn’t concern you that our drinking water, our children’s toys, our food is all filled with poison, but if you ingest the “wrong” poison, the government can throw you in prison and take away your liberties? You are okay with that double standard? You are okay with Mcdonalds killing millions every year and turning our kids into large, porcine, diabetes-sufferers? Doctors prescribing amphetimines and antideppresants to our kids stronger than anything you would find on the street, that’s also okay? But some folk choosing to “get high” from an innocuous plant, this is what you think would make Jesus angry?
By OzarkMichael, April 6 at 7:48 am #
Truthdig has not reported the OIC resolution to limit free speech at the UN because that story does not further Truthdig’s worldview, which is that the problems in the world arise from American conservatism, capitalism and Christianity.
If an American Christian organization or a Republican person or a capitalist proposed to limit free speech it would be reported daily. Every development would be under a magnifying glass. And rightfully so. Yes, rightfully so.
But if any event exhonerates or disproves such activity, it is ignored.
Truthdig(under Gore Vidal’s inspiration) is preoccupied with the hunt for “fascism” among American conservatives. Loves to call American Christians “fascists”. Gore Vidal took the plunge when he called a conservative person a “Nazi” on national TV fifty years ago, and his ilk are committed to fortifying that idea at all costs.
It would make Truthdig’s attacks on Christians look quite petty if they were to report what was going on at the UN. Or at least Truthdig would have to use much more severe language for what the OIC is doing. Except there really isnt more severe language than what Truthdig uses on Christians. But even if there was, how could Truthdig attack another culture so mercilessly? After all, the Left is multicultural. It simply cannot be done.
When there is an glimmer of awareness on Truthdig(such as the concern for the plight of Afghan women) that finally bubbles to the surface, it cannot be discussed intelligently because the lead article writer and the bloggers have very limited knowledge of the basis of the problem. And oh my, thats a painful blog to read, with bloggers blaming the plight of the Afghan women on US policy, on the Midle Ages, on poverty,... etc etc.
To put it another way, the problem cannot be named. That is where Truthdig is at.
Now we do need our liberal blogs. We do need the criticism from the left. It is just completely blinkered on some improtant subjects and it weakens the whole enterprise.
So when a one local TV station owner doesnt want to broadcast Ozzy’s show… Truthdig jumps on that. As if free speech is under attack! And if the owner could be proven to be a Christian or a Republican they certainly would have worked that angle too.
Report thisBy christian96, April 6 at 6:56 am #
Russian Paul—-Go back to smoking your whacky weed
Report thisand join the rest of the blind(ignorant). If the
blind lead the blind, they will both fall in a ditch.
I hate to be the one to break this to you but it
appears from your ignorant comments you need it.
YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE ON THIS PLANET!
By tshirt-doctor, April 5 at 11:20 pm #
i’m new here, and asking why Truthdig wont report it?
not rhetorically at all.
Report thisBy OzarkMichael, April 5 at 10:13 pm #
I said: The UN has been threatening to limit freedom of speech, but Truthdig never has reported anything about it.
The tshirtdoctor asks: is that true? and if it is, why?
Are you asking about what the UN is up to? Or do you know that already and are asking rhetorically why Truthdig wont report it?
Report thisBy tshirt-doctor, April 5 at 6:55 pm #
why has truthdig decided that the ozzy show is a question about our 1st amendment right? like OzarkMichael said:
Typical Truthdig. The UN has been threatening to limit freedom of speech, but Truthdig never has reported anything about it.
is that true? and if it is, why?
Report thisBy Russian Paul, April 4 at 7:01 am #
Is that you Tipper Gore? Parents should do their job to avoid negative influence and stay out of other people’s lives. What you seem to advocate is family-first -fascism where all art must be child-safe. As for your derogatory druggie comments - it’s the government maintaining control over what can and can’t be put in your body that should be upsetting you. Alcohol, tobacco, and the fast food industry kills HUNDREDS of MILLIONS more than all the illegal drugs added up, just look at the numbers.
Report thisBy Milton, April 4 at 3:55 am #
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an interesting discussion this one and as always the “christian” has the stupidest arguments.
Report thisBy christian96, April 4 at 1:26 am #
In reference to Freedom of Speech, it is illegal to
Report thisyell “Fire” in a movie theatre. One day, when people
better understand what influences the attitudes and
behaviors of people, especially children, it will also be illegal to get by with a lot of behavior that
presently exists under the guise of “Freedom of Speech.” In reference to the drugs, sex and rock and
roll culture try to watch some episodes of the TV
program “Intervention.” I believe the next episodes
will be on A & E next Monday from 8-10 p.m. By the
way, I don’t believe “religion” will have anything
to do with the misery you will observe individuals
and families undergoing. We have lost a whole
generation to your drugs, sex, and rock and roll
subculture of pathetic individuals. In fact, many
of that generation are now running the world as
politicians. Think there might be a correlation?
By tomack, April 3 at 8:18 pm #
In America—as elsewhere—free speech is confined to the dead.
-Mark Twain
I like the “Old Uncle” comparison, very good.
Christian96, it is the PEOPLE’s decision what they should or should not watch, not ONE man in Panama City. NOT one preacher in Bugfuck, AR, and certainly not ANY of us—myself included.
Get it?
THAT is why I used the handle Fascism.
Report thisBy Russian Paul, April 3 at 1:43 pm #
Christian - So free speech should only be allowed if one is speaking something “significant” or “positive?” Are you hearing youself? Let me explain something - in rock and roll, the devil does not represent satan, but FREEDOM. Drugs, sex, and rock and roll all part of a subculture of freedom that any despotic government wishes to shut down. And they do it with the guise of religion.
Let me also explain that I am no fan of Ozzy, not because he is a “bad influence on our children,” but because he is a pathetic, overrated, Elvis-Presly figure who wrote very little of his own music. Now GG Allin, THAT is a man who you want to keep your kids away from. For pete’s sake, Ozzy is like the drunk grandfather at every reunion, he’s harmless.
Report thisBy OzarkMichael, April 3 at 1:37 pm #
Typical Truthdig. The UN has been threatening to limit freedom of speech, but Truthdig never has reported anything about it. No, instead they decide the main free speech issue is Ozzy getting his show aired in one town in Florida. The political Left in this country doesnt know who its friends are.
A typical truthdigger said this:
Thanks for visiting, and be sure to say hello to all the other fascists at home.
I suppose the temptation to play the fascism card is just too great. Hopefully the truthdigger didnt mean it. But one never knows. The propaganda on the Left is pretty intoxicating.
Report thisBy christian96, April 3 at 1:02 pm #
The Free Speech law was to protect people who voice
Report thisopinions concerning issues confronting our society.
For example, the opinions you read here on Truthdig.
Where else will you find these opinions? Our thoughts, speech, and behavior have an influence on
others. That influence can be positive or negative.
I can’t find ANYTHING positive about Ozzy Osbourne. He obiviously puts on his act to make MONEY. He and those like him have corrupted millions of people in
the name of free speech. If he had something significant to say about world conditions I would
define his right to say so but just to act and speak the trash he does is vulgar, distasteful, and harmful to young people, especially those whose minds are altered by some substance.
By AWM, April 3 at 12:57 pm #
I find it interesting that those in this forum who are claiming to defend free speech are in effect telling those who disagree with them to shut up.
Report thisBy christian96, April 3 at 12:46 pm #
Tomack—-Please define YOUR definition of fascist.
Report thisSeems to be a popular term to throw around to represent filth nowadays. Free Speech isn’t free
when he harms the attitudes and behaviors of others,
especially chldren going through puberty.
By tomack, April 3 at 11:20 am #
Dear Christian96, I think you missed your turn, you should have taken a right, not a left, in order to get to the correct blog.
Thanks for visiting, and be sure to say hello to all the other fascists at home.
Report thisBy christian96, April 3 at 2:09 am #
Thank God for some show of intestinal fortitude and
Report thisrationality by WPGX. Ozzy, The Prince of Darkness
as he refers to himself, has been corrupting the minds of children for much too long now. Let him rot
in a Senior Citizen facility. For God Sakes, QUIT
GIVING THIS DECEIVER YOUR MONEY!
By Mike, April 2 at 9:05 pm #
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Any shithead can get an audience when the company thinks it will make money. This is always about the level of the audience; therefore, it is on the air.
Report thisBy Russian Paul, April 2 at 2:53 pm #
Tim, it’s funny you mention South Park, although it might be juvenile at times, they are very clever and have pushed the envelope on free speech more than any other show in recent years, they are sort of the Lenny Bruce of cartoon shows, I don’t know why you would say that isn’t worth defending.
We unfortunately already have an Idiocracy, but dictating what people should and shouldn’t watch isn’t the answer.
Report thisBy freeyourmind, April 2 at 2:20 pm #
Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”
—Richard Salent, Former President CBS News.
“News is what someone wants to suppress. Everything else is advertising”.
former NBC news President Rubin Frank
Asked to give a toast before the prestigious New York Press Club in 1880, John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff at the New York Times, made this candid confession [it’s worth noting that Swinton was called “The Dean of His Profession” by other newsmen, who admired him greatly]:
” There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, as an
independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you
who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know
beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for
keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others
of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who
would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the
streets looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper,
before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of
the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to
vilify; to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell the country for his
daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting
an independent press. We are the tools and vassals of the rich men
behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and
we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the
property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. “
Sheeple please, the media is and has been controlled for a very long time.
Report thisBy Tim, April 2 at 1:54 pm #
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I won’t say anything more, but look, shows get rejected due to content ALL the time.
MOST often, shows get rejected because they’re too thoughtful or intelligent, and thus would have a smaller audience, etc.
Where are you people screaming about that?
My god, this country is idiotic
Report thisBy Chuck, April 2 at 1:12 pm #
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Tim - the problem is NOT that the show was not aired; you’re correct there are many VALID reasons why a show should or can’t be aired. but here, the show was not aired b/c the station GM decided it was not worthy of showing. leaving free speech to the whim of a TV station manager is a slipperly slope to censorship. if he had a VALID reason, such as monetary constraints, time constraints, etc., this would not be an issue. but because he based his decision based on the CONTENT of the show, he exceeded his ability to regulate the time, place and manner of speech. while it is arguable whether or not this is state action, TV stations exist and are allowed to air only by the grace of the gov’t and the FCC, and thus gov’t compliance/inaction in his censorship should amount to gov’t action.
Report thisBy Tim, April 2 at 1:03 pm #
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Johnathan,
So if I film an enormous pile of crap for 30 minutes, and send it to my local TV station for airing, it’s a violation of my right to free speech? Are you serious?
None of you are grasping my meaning. I agree about free speech, and as I keep saying, I fail to see how this is a free speech issue. Obscenity is and should be protected.
It is woefully ignorant, however, to think there can be no filters on information - forget about the law, it’s a simple physical impossibility.
Programs get canceled and rejected all the time for various reasons - most tragically because they do not make enough money.
Report thisBy Jonathan, April 2 at 6:46 am #
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Tim it is Vulgarity, Obscenity, Stupidity, Violence and Idiocy that Free speech PROTECTS!!
The reason we have free speech is so that those “vises” as you would call them are able to be spoken, written, read, viewed and loudly proclaimed by whoever wants to, even though people like you do not want them to be.
I bet you think censorship is the right way to go!
Let me give you a quick hint, its not ever in the best interest of a free society to limit speech in any way. Yes a lot of junk gets said, but so does a lot of good productive criticisms.
Anyone who is properly educated knows the difference between the two. Maybe if conservatives had invested in education instead of trying to legislate morality for the last thirty years we would actually be a well educated republic.
If you don’t want to live in a free society you can always immigrate to some theocracy in the middle east or dictatorship in Asia where there is no free speech or human rights or even better for some people with the same views as you woman’s rights.
Report thisBy Tim, April 2 at 1:03 am #
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Chuck
What? This was an argument? What it is, is typical internet bullshit masquerading as something - anything - genuine. It is the same crap as Ozzy Osbourne’s new show, or so many worthless comments on internet posts.
I have no knowledge of law? Well, I’ve been arrested many times - does that count?
Explain to me, Mr Legal expert, how this is truly a free speech issue. I await.
Report thisBy Chuck, April 1 at 6:05 pm #
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Tim - never mind. i don’t know why i bothered trying to argue with you. you obviously have no knowledge of law. please enjoy being ignorant. have a nice day.
Report thisBy Tim, April 1 at 5:19 pm #
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Chuck, this is not a free speech issue and no laws are being passed to restrict speech. No one can tell a broadcaster they have to play their stupid show. This is totally ridiculous. It is market populism applied to culture, which is a sort of mob rule from which no intelligence can escape.
This is a market populism issue, not a free speech issue.
And, no there is not “always value in speech”
He can post his show to the cesspool of youtube where it belongs.
Report thisBy Tim, April 1 at 4:26 pm #
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Vash, that is a nonsensical response, which indicates that you refuse to see that this goes far, far beyond what I view or read.
See the film Idiocracy - we are already there. It is affecting my environment, it is making the whole country stupid, and I am sick of it.
And by the way, I do not watch any TV at all, I don’t even have one.
Report thisBy Chuck, April 1 at 2:22 pm #
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hey Tim - move to China if you don’t like free speech. get some education and you’ll understand why even something as inane as this show deserves protection under the Constitution. just b/c you find no value it it doesn’t mean it has no value. there is always value in speech.
Report thisBy Vash the Stampede, April 1 at 11:13 am #
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Tim = Fail.
How many times do people need to say, “Turn off the TV if you don’t like it”?
Report thisBy Tim, March 31 at 6:49 pm #
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What does this have to do with free speech? Nothing.
Frankly, I’m am sick of all the vulgarity, obscenity, stupidity and violence constantly being sprayed fire hose style in my face by the media. All this just puts us on the Express Train to the Idiocracy. And none of it, from South Park to the edgy comedy a about a serial killer, is worth defending.
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