I seem to remember learning in school that INCOME TAX was put in to effect to FUND SOME WAR back when this country was very YOUNG…And I seem to remember learning that it was supposed to STOP after the war was over but WAS KEPT GOING BECAUSE OF THE POLITICIANS GREED…...and why should we pay taxes when we have no jobs-health plans-etc..etc..

ITW writes:

•  “It makes my stomach turn to see Prop 8 and similar bills pass.  It just makes me want to vomit.  I’m not gay, I’m just a believer in the fundamental right to privacy and the right to keep government out of our lives unless it has an overwhelming need.  Why do people feel they have the DUTY to tell other people how to live their lives? It’s disgusting to let this happen here in America…..Hopefully, the courts will throw it out as unconstitutional.”

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Me too Inherit. Same thing. This really has given me a serious case of the blues, not because I wanna marry someone of my own gender, because I’m a garden variety heterosexual, and not interested in marrying anybody of the opposite gender either. (at least not anybody I’ve met to date that wasn’t already married to somebody else). Be that as it may, this makes me sick that my fellow Californian’s could so mindlessly pass such legislation.

But, they know not what they do. They aren’t thinking. I realized that when my sister told me that she had voted for it. I was literally MORTIFIED, but tried not to show it. She’s actually an educated and normally logical person, but man oh man, there can be no denying ANY ideology that feels justified in determining what others are or are not entitled to, is a BAD ONE.

However, having already made the bad vote, she wasn’t about hearing anything out, like from a different perspective, and could only defend herself. I honestly wanted to hear more from people who supported this thing, if only because this issue sits right smack dab in the middle of my field. Law and Society, and I really do want to understand how/why this many people could be motivated to eliminate the rights of people they don’t know, and probably never will.

I think it’s a sign of the times…these 8 plus years of authoritarianism where we’ve seen the demolition of Human Rights and Civil Rights by this administration, and the rise of the crazies who have assigned themselves to determine what’s moral and legal for the rest of the society. My sister claims it’s about the ‘meaning’ of marriage, and told me how the dictionary defines it. I told her I couldn’t figure out why this would be important, (the ‘meaning’ of the word marriage) to anybody except her and her husband. (he’s a guy). As long as THEY are on the same page on what marriage ‘means’, then why does she need a law for everybody else? She hung up on me, but that was after I compared her (and the 51% of others supporting this negative law) to a modern day lynch mob.

Anyway, it IS unconstitutional by the way. That’s why I guess I’m in shock that it passed. I never even read the entire language of the thing, because I didn’t need to in order to realize what was at the core of it. It’s BAD LAW. BAD LAW most often originates in Texas. You can’t imagine how ashamed I am to have something like this come out of my native home state. But, I said all of that to say that people just don’t think. That’s the lesser evil of the alternatives. I guess I just don’t wanna believe that this many people actually DID think about what they were doing -eliminating a right to a specific portion of the population- and did it anyway.
So, who next? Will we now ban marriage between disabled persons? Maybe people with a history of cancer in their family trees shouldn’t be allowed to marry each other? How about religion? Maybe we should ban same-religion marriages. My sister says she has no problem with Civil Unions, so the same-religion couples can just do Civil Unions and that’ll have to be good enough. They won’t be allowed to call themselves married. That seems the epitome of the crime, at least based on that one conversation with a supporter. I think I got it narrowed down to the semantics of it all, since Civil Unions are OK, then it must be the ‘married’ word that sets ‘em off.
Go figure. I know…it’s scary as hell.

Too bad we can’t do this in Florida, there’s no income tax.

It makes my stomach turn to see Prop 8 and similar bills pass.  It just makes me want to vomit.  I’m not gay, I’m just a believer in the fundamental right to privacy and the right to keep government out of our lives unless it has an overwhelming need.  Why do people feel they have the DUTY to tell other people how to live their lives? It’s disgusting to let this happen here in America.

Hopefully, the courts will throw it out as unconstitutional.

I’m not sure how one can avoid paying state taxes?

They’re in utility bills, as well as buying gas and so on.

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To Steven:

I don’t think you can compare denying gays the right to marry, with what blacks were denied.

Good on her.

It’s a shame, I live in Florida and we just passed an ammendment.  Today a Baptist church signage read, “Thanks for voting yes on 2”  Don’t we have bigger issues?  The murder rate here in Jax is sky high, unemployment and so many other problems.  Why single out a group of citizens and take their rights away?  Unreal.

Californians should refuse to pay whatever taxes they can until Arnold Schwarzenegger and the legislature quit increasing the regressive sales tax—instead of the progressive income tax—to raise revenue.  Schwarzenegger always tries to get money from the people on the bottom, not the top.

Seems fair: if the government begins discriminating against a particular group, then it would be reasonable to assume that members of the group would cease support of the state.

I suppose that it becomes a can of worms that would never again be repacked.

But 20%? That’s a much higher figure than I’m used to hearing. is the per capita count of gays/lesbians in CA twice what it is everywhere else?