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Streisand: Clinton Backers Should Support Obama

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Posted on Jul 28, 2008
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Once strongly in favor of Hillary Clinton, actress and chanteuse Barbra Streisand says her switch to supporting Barack Obama was instantaneous when Clinton pulled out of the presidential race, and that other Clinton supporters should back the Illinois senator instead of throwing their vote to Republican John McCain in protest.


Politico:

Will you be doing any concerts to support Obama and the Democrats before the election?

I would absolutely consider performing for Sen. Obama and for the Democratic Party.

What do you say to Hillary’s fans that might be moving to vote for McCain—a figure that’s been estimated to be as high as 15 percent of her supporters?

I would urge those voters to take a step back and realize that our country is at an extremely serious crossroad . . . . There is too much at stake right now to elect another George W. Bush to the White House. And John McCain is just that. He has stated that the issue of economics is not something he’s understood as well as he should. He does not support reproductive rights for women, increased veteran’s benefits and ending the war in Iraq. There is just no reason for Sen. Clinton’s supporters not to back Sen. Obama.

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By Fellowdigger, August 11, 2008 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

I beleive that there are more than two parites - but not in your case rowman -

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By rowman, August 10, 2008 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

Hmmm. Assumptions can pose problems as well.

I am not a member of the Democrat or Republican party. To me, they are the same so we may as well refer to them as the” DemoPublicans”  <—Corrupt, criminals.

So I would not be so quick to assume someone’s party affiliation. Just because Cyrena is here to push their propaganda does not mean that I am as well. Its not red and blue, one party vs. the other. There are many other American political parties but so many are under the mind control of the DemoPublicans. They have you convinced one is different from the other but the reality is…. They are the same…

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By Fellowdigger, August 9, 2008 at 2:46 am Link to this comment

Thanks Cyrena:  I felt as if I had fallen into the black hole of the Neo-cons and was just scratching my way out - Whew - it was good to get a helping hand

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By Fellowdigger, August 9, 2008 at 2:41 am Link to this comment

Rowman - you are right - It was ridculous of me to correct you when I have trouble with grammar myself.  You are also correct in my love for Streisand and my attempt to defend her in the last blog entry. 

Just try to understand that you are the one who has been instructed to toe the line (see, I got that right.)  The slogan of your party is Don’t Respond to a Single Thing the Other Person Says - Just Find A Reason to Attack. It is a sad day for me that I have reduced myself to your level and all over something so stupid. I guess in the long run at least the person who controls me also sings, so there is an upside, with O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Savage you just get the spoken word - no pretty singing. Sorry

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By cyrena, August 9, 2008 at 2:39 am Link to this comment

By Fellowdigger, August 7 at 12:34 pm #

Republicans are the biggest babies in the entire world - I’ve never heard such whining in my life about another person giving an opinion.  Never has the government been so corrupt as the Nixon and Bush administrations - they should talk less and learn how to run a country without breaking every law in it….

And Rowman - it’s Tow - not Toe - Obama is right, you people pride yourselves in your ignorance….

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Fellowdigger, it’s definitely NOT a waste of your time to post here. We’ve long ago noted the perfidy and general pathology of rowman and others on this site.

I’m agree that they whine a lot, but I’m cautious about referring to them as ‘babies’ since real infants generally have acceptable reasons for whining, and they don’t have the capacity for chicanery and evil based on greed. So, their selfishness is limited to the basic human instincts.

And not ALL of them are necessarily PROUD of the ignorance, because those who are both arrogant and ignorant, are even aware of how ignorant they are.

Rowman fits there as well.

Still, you’re not wasting your time, because overwhelmingly, most of us have already figured out that the Repuglicans like rowman and his ilk, (there are several who lurk around here) belong to that group of ~Arrogant Ignorants Without a Conscience~.

That’s my name of course for them, adopted from John Dean’s book, “Conservatives Without Conscience”. If you haven’t read it, it’s an excellent explanation of *some* of the more intelligent ones behind the destruction of the country.

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By rowman, August 8, 2008 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

I have no idea what you are saying. It’s like one long run on sentence but, you seem to lose you thought multiple times and it’s not making much sense at all. Now, I am certainly no grammar expert but that is why I do not go around doing what you did because, well, I might do what you did. Kind of sucks doesn’t it?

It’s very gallant of you to defend your love for Streisand. She relies on that little control thing she has over you. Be sure to do as mommy dearest instructs like a good little boy. You certainly do not want to upset her. Run along now jr.

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By Fellowdigger, August 7, 2008 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment

I have one more entry to write.  I have never waisted my time like this before - writing stupid things on a website.  I am a big Streisand fan but I am not writing because of that - I have watched Streisand attacked for many, many years.  With some people she can do nothing right - to those I would ask what is is about her that you have such a viceral reaction about The people who write on this website are probably from all walks of life and all levels of profession and they take the time to write their opinions (probably on many web sites.)  But for some reason this woman, who is not a “little successful” but a woman of incredible intellect and success i salways taken to task.  Would another person at the top of their game for 40+ years be criticized with such vitriol - why?  Yes, she is rich - and I paid a good chunk of change to see her sing - which was remarkable - she used some of the money to help again raise the public consiousness regarding women and the health risk of cardiac disease.  She has been honored around the world and has more awards from the art community than any other performer and is the number two selling recording artist in the world only being surpassed by Elvis.  She has contributed to many charities, created a foundation and employeed many, many people through her music and movies for a long time now.  However, she can not give her opinion and contribute to the political discourse in this country without being attacked for her nose - HER NOSE - it is very typical to attack an intelligent woman for her features - just look at poor Hillary Clinton.  As Ali G says - you critics should really check yourselves before you wreck yourselves.  Of course, you are all free to say what you like about her and it is certainly your opinion - but when you start with “she should shut up” and “get her nose fixed” - or she should keep her politics to herself - she’s a communist, etc.  It all sounds so foolish and it’s typical of people who have nothing else to say except “how wrong the other person is”  John McCain is a perfect example - nothing to say except how the other-side is always wrong.  This is really one of the biggest problems in our Republic today and it turns most people completely off.

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By Fellowdigger, August 7, 2008 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

Good for you - so you have of “gotcha” - it doesn’t change the fact the you are ignorant and you won’t find that in a grammar lesson - you pride yourselves on ignorance - Streisand was a firm supporter of both Kerry and Gore and you see how effective that was - why do you let this “democratic” celeb bother you so much.  I wonder how often you have commented on interviews with Charlton Heston, Bruce Willis and Arnold - you must send them to me also.  But then again they are not loud mouth Jewish women from NY and that may be what’s pushing your buttons - if Obama wins it will have nothing to do with Barbra and more to do with the sad state of affairs in the country.  I believe your are not a Repulican as much as I believe in creationism - which is 0%.  BTW, I never understood potato / potatoe gaffe uproar since Quayle was such an idiot on so many levels and he’s about to prove it by appearing on Dancin’ with the Stars.  Just in time to humiliate himself and the Party along with his facist friends trying to get in

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By rowman, August 7, 2008 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

Oh that is classic.

It is TOE the line Not Tow!!!

Kind of like the potato / potatoe gaffe, huh.

http://grammartips.homestead.com/toetheline.html


The Democrat and Republican parties are not the only game in town….

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By Fellowdigger, August 7, 2008 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Republicans are the biggest babies in the entire world - I’ve never heard such whining in my life about another person giving an opinion.  Never has the government been so corrupt as the Nixon and Bush administrations - they should talk less and learn how to run a country without breaking every law in it….

And Rowman - it’s Tow - not Toe - Obama is right, you people pride yourselves in your ignorance….

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By yellowbird2525, August 7, 2008 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

I support neither candidate “presented” to the American people; locally in Oregon I am for the Constitution party; Lou Dobb’s has my vote as he is actively AGAINST the tactics of the Gov, Special interest groups & Corps who have waged war on the American citizens for years now; his book “war on the American Dream” spells it out; & how to FIGHT against it; Read an article today saying “bill clinton was the best Pres since FDR; hope no one is buying into THAT; Hillary’s “health” system was letting go all long time employees in white house, hiring new ones (lesser wage) and letting work only 39 hours to avoid having to pay health benefits; they shredded every email that came in without reading them; Bill went to Mexico & money passed hands & Nafta & Nau was started; which meant THEIR Constitution & article 27 went down the tubes; which means civil war there; same in Canada & it looks like civil unrest there as well; NOTICE: how many countries are stating “we are NOT for sale” to Obama, Protester in Isreal; & other countries; notice: since India refused to go with USA’s World Trade Agreement bombings going off there; the MILITARY in the USA has never been good on it’s promises but since the Clinton’s administration they have EXCEEDED the contempt normally shown to them; keeping none of their promises; & refusing to fund; many disabled american’s have YET to receive one cent of disability pay; yet Hillary went thru $100m in 1 single month; living lavishly in most expensive hotels & ordering $10,000 & up trays for her & party; reminded me kinda of Marie Antoinette; this WHOLE SYSTEM is broken; http://www.pbs.com see Bill Moyers Capital Crimes to SEE how our Gov works;

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By rowman, August 7, 2008 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

What an embarrassment. 

This stupidity certainly gives the appearance that the Dem party can’t rely on people to make their own decisions on the issue. They have to turn to celebrities to tell us how to vote?

That’s why we have Super delegates.  Keep you from screwing it up by choosing a candidate other than the one they want.

Now it’s just a matter of making sure you toe the line and do as they say.

The puppet masters are in charge. If they wanted change, we would already have it. They want things the same and that is how they will remain.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 4, 2008 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

J.B.N.GA. is nothing but right-wing troll. Why else would he be repeating the RNC dirty-tricks lies about Sen. Obama, like the one that he refused to see the troops?  This one has been totally discredited.  A phony eMail was created by one of Karl Rove’s orcs, who pretended to be a soldier in Iraq, and was then sent to thousands of vets plus neo-con “reliables” who forwarded it on as a giant smear.

It never happened.  Snopes.com proved that.

He also said Obama “stole” his Senate seat.  That is a flat-out lie.  Jack Ryan, the former husband of Star Trek: Voyager honey, Jeri Ryan, got himself caught in a messy divorce where she claimed he tried to force her to have sex with other men.  He then got himself caught up in criminal charges.  Where’s the theft? Catching a Re-thug pervert with his pants down?

So you see, this poster isn’t a Hillary-ista (who, BTW, is now solidly for Barack Obama), he’s simply a GOP troll trying to make trouble.

That’s the Lee Atwater legacy.  Throw ANY lie, no matter how outrageous, at the wall, like a plate of spaghetti, and see if anything sticks or leaves a stain.  Throw enough plates and sure enough, the boob-oisie (as Mencken called them) start to believe the lies.

Here’s just another case of a plate-thrower.  Discount it.

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By Fellowdigger, August 3, 2008 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

Why?  Not quite sure what you mean Rangertommy?

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By rangertommy, August 3, 2008 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

...why?!

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By Fellowdigger, August 3, 2008 at 3:25 am Link to this comment

Also Doc - I must be missing something - I work in the largest hospital area in the country - I work in one of the most famous of these hospitals and no where do I see on any wall any neo-cons names - but there are a lot of other names and pictures and some of them have big noses - maybe they should get “nose-jobs” too. You very well may be Jewish but when you start a sentence off saying she should get her nose fixed - you sound incredible ignorant. I grew up on Long Island where women got nose jobs so they didn’t look so “Ethnic” - and you know what that means as well as I.  The sad part is that you have such contempt for a singer that you don’t even know that even when the LA Cardiac Center is mentioned you couldn’t even give her the slightest nod to her for that - you sound like Ann Coulter - you know the one that wants to “Perfect Jews”  we can start with nose jobs

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By Paracelsus, August 3, 2008 at 3:02 am Link to this comment

“you’re a throwback to the McCarthy era. Communist?”

I find it interesting that McCarthy was only stopped in his tracks when he decided to investigate the Army for treasonous officials. He could mow down all the Hollywood lefties he wanted to, which was indeed sad for many well meaning writers, actors, and directors. I can think of no better place for “subversion” than the military. So a few officials palm off some nuke secrets during some cultural exchanges. What better way toward job security and prosperous vendor relations than to let the Soviets have some skin in the game? Our system all seems to build up our enemies in order to evolve the culture and the governance. After all the John Foster Dulles couldn’t jump to the next square on the chessboard if he had not helped the Nazis get their industrial funding during the 1930’s.

So you have this mad dog McCarthy hurting many innocent folks. Finally when he starts to smell the conspiracy at the Pentagon to keep the procurement system flowing through these accidental leakages of military info to the reds, he gets shut down. The military shines up its halo, and Edward R. Murrow becomes the hero of the day.

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By Fellowdigger, August 3, 2008 at 2:26 am Link to this comment

Streisand is not above reproach - I’m sorry, so you’re not a sexist nazi - you’re a throwback to the McCarthy era. Communist?  And if you believe so - where is the proof?  Because she played one in a movie?  Or because “she” is a loud-mouth, left leaning hollywood elitist.  And if she is a communist, so what….she was asked a bunch of questions on the Arts page of a left leaning web site and you’re totally unhinged.  Maybe it’s you who doesn’t want any of us walking on your holy ground.  And try to remember the communist were fine when they took the eastern front and lost millions of millions doing it -

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By DocReality, August 2, 2008 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

Sexist Nazi? I like that, very creative, sort of. Opened up a wing of research? So haven’t the Cheneys and Bushes of this world. And that makes her higher than what? Above reproach?
I’m afraid there is a very deep lack of understanding here.
Ms Streisand is Jewish and so am I, so WTF?
She supports activities that are overtly communistic. If that fact eludes you or is somewhat difficult to understand too bad. I’m pretty fed up with the politically correct idiots who get unnerved for walking on their holy ground.
Streisand is a communist shill as is with most of the Hollyweird crowd. Maybe the truth hurts but it is the truth.
Her talent is for singing. She can keep her nose out of politics.

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By Desert Democrat, August 2, 2008 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment
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I can not fathom how you can call yourself a Democrat (much less a supporter of Hillary) while trashing Obama plus urging other Democrats to vote for McCain.  This is unfathomable to me.

Do you remotely have any idea what you are saying?  As if you are happy and/or satisfied with the current state of our union and the world…and, that you believe a continuation of it is in our personal, national and world best interests.  Are you mad?

This because Obama adopts and applies various political ideas from his political party and/or political associates?  This because he postures himself from a place of confidence, conviction and passion?  Come one - pull your head out from the forest.

Don’t place your personal anger by the loss of Hillary’s run for President towards the election of an utter and complete useless McCain—that is abominable!

If you think the current White House is poison - a McCain White House will be a terminal cancer.

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By Fellowdigger, July 31, 2008 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

Docrealty - you are a sexist nazi - but I guess if you’re in a position in life, like she is, to actually open up a wing of research at a major health institution in America then I she probably won’t lose any sleep than someone on a blog site thinks she looks to “Jewish” - she may have a big nose but it matches her big heart and far reaching influence - drives you nuts, huh?  It doesn’t matter if she has talent or not - she has power - and that’s what counts in this world - she mixes in with the biggest names in the world and who do you mix with - when was the last time you gave enough money to possible change the way women’s cardiac health is treated in the future -

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By VietnamVet, July 31, 2008 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

DocReality, you really need to get some mental help! Why? Well, your comment speaks for itself…nuff said.

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By DocReality, July 31, 2008 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

God I wish this fool would get a nosejob. She can sing alright, but she is playing that old show biz smoke and mirrors show of select the one who will be the chosen that shall further the interests of Communism and Israel.

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By Fellowdigger, July 31, 2008 at 2:56 am Link to this comment

Those are some great ideas Muscleboy - I think it was Jefferson who said we will need a revolution every 20 years to keep the Republic - I think when the empty out the torture chamber off Cuba they should make it a nice resting place for all the criminals thta have stolen our Democracy - I don’t think anyone future American leader will be able to rescue those poor Iraqi children from the nightmares they will have to contend with after this terrible conflict is over - I hate to think of what that area will look like in 5 years.  The one person that needs to go with all those crooks that are leaving the Whitehouse is Nancy Pelosi - she is doing a terrible job and is as guilty as anyone in watching our government slowly unravel.  get out Nancy and take any democrat with you who is ready to sell this country’s ideals for political appearances - let’s get some people in there with stones - political stones - that may be an oxymoron

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By Muscleboy, July 30, 2008 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

There is a difference when you get into office as president of the United States and shut down Guantanamo; evacuate Iraq of all combat forces; take tens or even hundreds of billions from the defense industrial psychopaths and give it over to a multitude of people dedicated to bringing forth a revolution in energy technologies… virtually free unlimited super clean energy… we could have already transformed the United States.  I believe in just a matter of a 3-5 years we could not only be off oil but onto an explosively revitalized economy thanks to a massive martial program 1000 times the size and scope of Kennedy’s moon landing mandate with a correspondingly massive resulting decrease in autism, heart, lung and cancer caused by the poisonous misuse of oil and coal.  Can you imagine?  The difference would be staggering. 

But we need a complete washing away of all the rotten Republicons.  Believe me I’m pro ethical business and very pro free market but these people are neither.  They must be stopped.  But people have to stop falling for their lies and that includes some of the phony Democrats. 

We should even consider converting our system over to one with much less power in the hands of the President. Some say a Parliamentary and I think that’s worth considering.  I also think possibly a multiple presidency of four regional elected executives which would chair an executive council of some sort.  My main point is to break up power so we can never again have the rotten psychotic evil of the Bush administration.

We need to have a load more intelligent people from the best universities helping mold policy.  Start working on building America into the best it can be for all of it’s citizens and animal and plant life.  Life can go from being hell to heaven for everyone if we just apply ourselves rigorously.

Although I don’t think McCain is as rotten as he seems to want to paint himself I think we just have to completely turn off this fascistic extremism and rebuild and repair.  We need to really review the nightmare of the last 8 years and see just what we can do to make it a permanent thing of the past.  Our government must be of the People.  Our system has not been properly maintained and lacked some things to start with.  I’ve always thought we should have not just some anti-trust act but a full-blown pro-competition amendment to the Constitution for example.  We must not allow our Press to be undermined by media conglomerates owned by fascist war mongers and the defense industrial complex for another example.  This should should be absolutely prohibited by some construct that similar to the “public owns the airwaves” that the public owns the press.  We have just let too much evil grow infectiously and thus undone one of the most important parts of our great democracy; the Press.

And our very most fundamentally democratic freedom of all is undermined by allowing people with wealth and power to literally buy off our elected officials.  That must be COMPLETELY outlawed to the extent of full blown felony status, or we have no democracy.  Allowing private funding of elections and so forth is at the root of almost all of our problems. Transparency of government is another thing… eliminate classification of records except for the most extreme needs which should be constantly reviewed.  A fully Democratic legislature and presidency would move a great deal farther toward these objectives then anything Republicons could bring.  They have proven themselves to be outright criminals.

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By Paracelsus, July 30, 2008 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

@Fellowdigger

I just know that if the criminals in DC can get away with the Patriot Act, the controlled demolition at WTC and the idea of torture warrants, then this stuff is not going to go away because the parties got chaqnged over. I’ll leave you to Alan Watt or to wherever your mind leads you. Pressuring people to change course is best left to the cults, the government and Fox TV.

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By Fellowdigger, July 30, 2008 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

I like that song - hmmmm - not sure what I was to glean from it - an artist rendering of an idea - an opinion - very nice - I will check out this Alan Watts website -

don’t let me fool you by thinking because I like the way Streisand sings that I can’t understand deep arguments for world domination - where do you think I have been living on the moon - well only between 2003 and 2007 but I’m back - I have had a few conversations with my friend about the Bilderberg group - I have read all about them - so what - it’s like a big lobbyist meeting - the same companies send their minnions everyday to the capitals all over the world to twist the system in their direction - no more than in Washington - the media’s ruining the world, the Chinese are destorying the world and taking over, the Arabian royal family is taking over, Queens Beatrix and Elizabeth are somehow in cohoots - probably the people that attend TED are taking over - do you actually believe that they are going to wipe out 3 billion people - believe me the three Abrahamic faiths are gonna take care of that when some nut blows the Dome of the Rock up and sets the end in motion.  It’s like Doystevsky stated - people are sheep and they want to be led - any silly idea that comes along becomes believable - who knows why - maybe we stopped evolving in a good direction - maybe Richard Dawkins has the answer - but until people start thinking for themselves were all screwed -

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By Paracelsus, July 30, 2008 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3412884650868069491&q=silent+running&ei=9-SQSPC0OYr2rQLd083GBA

Check out the song, Fellowdigger and glean from it what you can. I feel like suggesting Alan Watt and and his Cutting through the Matrix website, but I am not sure if you would be ready for it.

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By Fellowdigger, July 30, 2008 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

I have not gone to the link - but I will.  It’s hard to do anything in Germany without the ghost of Hitler haunting the event especially when a large crowd has gathered.  Krups was one of the makers of the gas chambers and there products are found everywhere around the world along with many other german products - I really don’t think Obama is trying to take over the world and if he is than I will be very glad that I didn’t vote for him - which I am not - it would be nice if some people would get out of the “habit” of the two party system - I don’t think it really matters if she does or not - many have been swept up in the “glow” of Obama - but once again I need to ask you - who then?

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By What!?!, July 30, 2008 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

Barbara Streisand has a platform (her fans) and a right to speak her support for Obama now.  Oprah did it, and may have lost some fans but that doesn’t worry her.  I’ll be voting for Obama even though I’m not as fired up about his run as I was for Clinton.  We must stay focused on the big issues, the war, the supreme court appointments, etc.  I don’t know many who will vote for McCain, but quite a few people I know said they won’t be voting the top of the ticket.  That’s just short of voting for McCain in the end. Obama must realize that words mean something to those paying attention.  After his switch on the FISA bill with telecon immunity he looks like just another corporate politician.  (So much for “Change”).  I hope he gets his act together or more will be disillusioned and not vote.  Some can hold their nose and vote and some cannot.

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By Paracelsus, July 30, 2008 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

I think Barbara is a Democrat out of habit. I think her husband James Brolin is the more thoughtful of the two. I think Stalinism is close at home, but I am merely pointing it out, not advocating it. It is hard to tell if you are being humorous because I cannot see your face. I wonder if you had gone to the Washpo link. As to Barak in Germany, symbols mean things. Barak was standing in front of the German nike statue, which had been symbolic of German empire and dominion. Even the German media was freaked out about it. Hitler had his own vision of global order with Germany being at the nexus of it. These elites love their symbols. Do you remember when all those Bush pics came out with bright light halos around his head?

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By Fellowdigger, July 30, 2008 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus -  first of all you people are a serious lot - I’m throwin some funny stuff out and you’re getting all freaked out - or maybe I’m freaked out - yeah - I’m freaked out - I open the article to read something that Barbra said when asked a bunch of questions by Truthdig - she asked people to vote democrat (as she has been doing since 1963) - and it seems that she stood at the podium with Barack in Germany and declared that the world would be theirs.  It seems to me silly for you folks to talk with such seriousness because one woman expressed her views.  Unless in someway she is triggering you folk in someway.  Why don’t you just be honest and say what the real issue is instead of just spouting this weird crap about conspiracies and people not having rights to express themselves - maybe the Stalinist mentality hits closer to home than you think

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By Paracelsus, July 30, 2008 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

@Fellowdigger

“from celebrities in this fashion or is this only because M. S T R E I S A N D made them - is she part of the Jewish Supremacy conspiracy - is Mel Gibson with you?”

People follow the stars. I don’t believe the “Jews did it.” That is standard poppycock. The oft repeated phrase in Jewish teachings is “loving kindness”. You could pin this down to your favorite relgio-ethnic group if you wish but it would be pointless. No, Mel Gibson is not with me.  “Believe in me. I’m with the High Command.” It is a matter of record that these people are connected to certain puppet masters. It is fact that it is so. I point out these facts and you imply I am some sort of nut. Don’t get call me crazy. Call those at the Washpo crazy for reporting it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/14/AR2008031403897.html?sid=ST2008031404122

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By Fellowdigger, July 30, 2008 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus - I hate to ask this but since everyone is involved in some kind of “rule-the-world” scheme - who do you think should be the president?  Also, are you okay - I’m worried about your mental health - it seems that your frontal lobe area is having a terrible shut down - and just one more question - do you always respond to political comments from celebrities in this fashion or is this only because M. S T R E I S A N D made them - is she part of the Jewish Supremacy conspiracy - is Mel Gibson with you?

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By Paracelsus, July 30, 2008 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

@Fellowdigger

“Come on Paracelsus do you actually believe your own words - are you really going to compare these three people to the three greatest villians in history”

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread335572/pg1

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/nworder04.html

http://incogman.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/john-mccain’s-rothschild-connection/

All these characters have connections to some first rate evil people. They are the tpyes of people who organize world wars and financial collapses behind the scenes of “democratic” government. Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini all had connections to elites who used them as pawns to recreate the world into their hearts’ desire.

Our country is coming to its end as an empire. It will be used as a walking dead zombie to wreak havoc in the world. The host has transmorgified into its parasite.

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By Fellowdigger, July 30, 2008 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

Come on Paracelsus do you actually believe your own words - are you really going to compare these three people to the three greatest villians in history - these are the kind of comments that turn public discourse into something that most people just throw up their arms and walk away from -  if you want to discuss ideas - than come up with some

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By Fellowdigger, July 30, 2008 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

She’s featured in the Arts & Culture page - she’s an artist, a singer, an actress - an artist.  She is not being quoted from the New Republic.  I don’t know what your political slant is or if you are antisemetic or just antiartist - but it seems as though you read an article about an artist in an artist forum and asked people why they listen to someone “like Her” for political commentary.  I read tons of different comments on politics - you’re the one syaing “why should we listen to her” okay you didn’t tell her to shut up - you just told the rest of us to ignore her - sorry I think she’s smart - she certainly knows how to be incredible successful - why exactly is she considered stupid or inept

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By Paracelsus, July 30, 2008 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

@ VietnamVet

They are all war mongers, all three stooges, Hill, Barak, and John. We don’t own our government. It is as if Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini were all running for President of the United States.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24085254-5000117,00.html

I do wonder why the media are doing this huge build up for Obama. At lewast McCain would cause gridlock, while maintaining some sort of brush fire war in the ME. Obama seems more meglomaniacal. That Zbig guy is his puppetmaster. On a lighter note:

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/03/19/
Homeland_Security_office_filled_with_feces/UPI-97591205902495/

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By Issywise, July 30, 2008 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

Wow!

I wasn’t saying she shouldn’t have her say.

What I was asking is why should we care what an actor says? We’re supposed to base our exercise of democratic duties on useful information. Should WE not seek information from places that suggest a quality of insight and input.

Clem is, in fact, just as qualified as Barbara to give input if you don’t discriminate.

I thought this was a valid observation but now I discover that I told her to shut up, am a woman hater and an antisemite too boot.

My God, you people sure have fragile temperaments.

Imagine how you’d react if I actually disagreed with you rather than merely suggested that WE all could do better to look in better places for our information.

After all, I too read the article. You could have called me hypocrite and I’d have deserved it, but nooooo…I you had to pull out your favorite kind of bigot label and toss it on me.

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By VietnamVet, July 30, 2008 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Well, you folks that would vote for McCain just for spite, should think again. This time around, the indicators are all there and you will deserve who you vote into office! You should be aware that McCain has voted in Bush’s favor 95% of the time. His claim to be a mavrick is a ploy to get votes. In every vote that counted towards ending the Iraq fiasco, he has voted against the issue. He is a warmonger, just like Bush, and if you help vote him into office, you will be regretting that vote for years to come. Remember: bomb, bomb,bomb Iran? Or, we might be in Iraq for 100 years! Vote for what counts, not what might spite Hillary! IT IS YOUR FUTURE THAT IS AT STAKE this time around.

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By Fellowdigger, July 30, 2008 at 5:18 am Link to this comment

and yes, I do care about what your Uncle Clem has to say- listening to drunks can be enlightening and often time very entertaining - especially if he is one of the biggest fundraiser and philathropist in the country

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By Fellowdigger, July 30, 2008 at 5:14 am Link to this comment

as Interview magazine once stated about Streisand
“Truth has a Golden Voice”  Hey Issywise, maybe we should all shut up - especially if we disagree with your opinion - what an interesting country this would be if we all said the exact same thing over and over and over again - the market place of ideas is big enough for everyone - relax - Barbra and the female jewish artist mafia is not gonna take over the Whitehouse - she just expressing her view on the candidate she think is best for the issues she cares about - which I share

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By Joe, July 30, 2008 at 4:53 am Link to this comment
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For all those that think Barbra should shut up - first of all her comments are under the Arts and Culture section not the political page of a major world publication - she has the right to her opinion - but of course, as a woman, and a jew and an actress maybe she should just keep her mouth shut?  What kind of world would this be if Streisand ever kept her mouth shut - one with a lot less beauty.

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By Paracelsus, July 30, 2008 at 4:06 am Link to this comment

By Paracelsus, July 30 at 3:03 am #

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/obama -chooses-a-symbol-of-war-as-berlin-backdrop/

There is something egomaniacal about this Obama.

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By Paracelsus, July 30, 2008 at 4:03 am Link to this comment

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/
obama-chooses-a-symbol-of-war-as-berlin-backdrop/

There is something egomanaical about this Obama.

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By Paracelsus, July 29 at 2:58 pm #

“..Obama will lead a fascism of the left, after the fascism of the right. His speech in Europe shows that he does not care for American sovereignty. His supporters seem fanatical and thuggish. I do not want a government that would use the energies of fanatics to impose government policy. An Obama presidency seems likely to implement something like that..”..

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Paracelsus..

FASCISM OF THE LEFT????

Puhleezzze… You can do better than that.

Fanatical and thuggish?

Did you say FANATICAL????

YOU do not want a government who would use the energies of fanatics??? Why not? You should be used to that by now.

Ok. If it makes you happy, we won’t pay our taxes. And that will have you in the street how much sooner?

Is there a tent city nearby, so you won’t have to walk too far with that broken back? Be sure it has wifi or broadband access so you can keep in touch.

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By Paracelsus, July 29, 2008 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

Obama will lead a fascism of the left, after the fascism of the right. His speech in Europe shows that he does not care for American sovereignty. His supporters seem fanatical and thuggish. I do not want a government that would use the energies of fanatics to impose government policy. An Obama presidency seems likely to implement something like that.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-calls-for-national-civilian-stasi.html

Earlier organized youth corps with a charismatic leader started with leaders like Mussolini. Perhaps this youth corp will record whether their parents are global warming violators. I cannot say who to vote for, but I do know that a divided government is better than a fanatical government without limit. I do not like McCain. I don’t know. Just don’t pay your taxes.

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By Muscleboy, July 29, 2008 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

Clinton supporters should not consider voting for McCain that should be clear but so many are saying they will. 

I can, however, see the argument that Obama should support Hillary Clinton and make her his running mate. 

Two great armies of light merge together to fight the forces of darkness and save our great country from utter destruction. One would help strengthen the other.  Clinton would make the commitment for a full eight year course as Obama’s vice president, and in eight years time we will, hopefully, look back on the trauma of Bush and his neocon friends and see a world at peace well on into the healing process.

People in this country are just plain sick of the never ending criminality and terrorizing nature of the Republicans.

We of the Liberal true-blue American camp now more than ever before have so much going for us. Bush and his republican cohorts have done so much in depth damage to our country in such a short time, that is very clear. 

Bush went into Iraq and lied about everything not mainly to steal it’s oil wealth but mainly to steal the wealth of the American people and our children for generations to come.  I find many on the so-called left fail to make that point.  He went to Iraq, not for empire or anything else but to set up method of stealing from our treasury.

Of course the choice regarding his running mate is Obama’s alone.  I just feel there are a lot of good things about a Obama/Clinton ticket that could work very well to all of our benefit.  I just think they look good together. It just feels so right.

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By Issywise, July 29, 2008 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

paulie

I didn’t mean to attack this actor personally, all I was saying was that in a marketplace of ideas it would be better to spend the time on contributions that 1) are from real experts on the subject or 2) in and of themselves are expressive of thought, research or special insight.

My point was that my uncle Clem’s view are possessed of as much inherent value as the bare assertions of an actor. You seemed to have missed the whole point because 1) you agreed with the actor and 2) assumed anybody not agreeing with the actor was wrongheaded.

If you believe something and you pick up reaffirmation anywhere it can be found, you will never have your attitudes challenged, especially if you attack those who suggest the sources of your reaffirmations are not all that credible.

What expertise do you think Ms.Streisand has and on which public policy issue? What analysis did Ms. Streisand offer other than expressing a bare opinion?

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By amarie, July 29, 2008 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
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This is in response to J.B N GA all I can say to you is keep creating ideas in your head and keep believing them.  You, like many other H.Clinton supporters would love to continue this mess just to justify not wanting to vote for a black candidate.  Not once did Obama disparage Ms. Clinton; I cannot say the same for her.  If you want to talk about who want to play what cards, address the fact that Hillary played the “I’m a woman card,” it was a display in weakness and an insult to all women.  She ran for president like a man and switched to being a woman when she realized she could mobilize women.  I was insulted by her weak and questionable tactics! Though ever vote counts, you and the small minded former clinton supporters will not change the inevitable, Barak Obama will be president!!!  I will not vote for a man that wears a baseball cap and a suit to stand in the sun to give a speech, I will not vote for a man who is old and decrepid and cannot remember things.  I will not vote for a man who, even though he served this country, was a prisoner of war, thinks that he is now qualified on everything military.  He is not by virtue of his experience in the military a commander-in-chief.  Vote for who you choose but don’t misrepresent the facts!

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By robyn, July 29, 2008 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment
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As a Sen. Clinton supporter I will not be voting for Sen. Obama. I will either write her name in or vote for Sen. McCain. Ms. Barbara’s pleas mean nothing she is a non issue.

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By paulie, July 29, 2008 at 10:20 am Link to this comment
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To the sagacious comments left by Issywise (an ironic name given his statements): it’s funny how you attack Streisand as having no credibility, yet you never once address the issues she raises—issues that are vital to America’s health, wealth and financial well being.  It’s the oldest game in the book—since a sane person (I’m taking the leap that you’re sane, but that may be too much of a leap) can not reasonably attack her ideas, you attack her personally.  Well played, well played!

Indeed, I do think I’d rather have your drunken Uncle Clem’s opinion rather than yours.

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By J.B. N. GA., July 29, 2008 at 8:07 am Link to this comment
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I WILL NOT CHANGE TO OBOMA ,I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN.
AND ALL HILLARY SUPPORTERS SHOULD DO THE SAME OR THEY ARE NOT LOYAL TO HILL.AND THE DEM. PARTY.
OBOMA PLAYED DIRTY WITH THE RACE CARD…..
HE IS ALL ABOUT HIM SELF.
HE HAS NO RECORD OF GETTING ANYTHING DONE.
HOW HE STEALS THE ILL. SENS. POSITIONS AND GIVES HIMSELF CREDIT FOR THEIR BILLS.
HE DID NOT VISIT THE TROOPS…..
THERE WAS A ROCK CONCERT PLANNED AFTER HIS SPEECH.
THE MEDIA WELL NOT TELL YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT HIM….
BUT THE REV. WILL BE BACK…..
HE WILL TELL US THE TRUTH.
WAKE UP AMERICA…....
ITS A SNOW JOB….
HE IS USING THE BLACK SIDE NOW….
ITS YOUR VOTE DO NOT LET THE MEDIA TELL YOU HOW TO VOTE….....

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By Issywise, July 29, 2008 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

I was looking for informed insight and what I found was what a Hollywood actress thinks…......Hmmmmmmmm, given all the educated, specializing experts in the world I could have accessed, what credibility should I give to this singer’s bare opinion? What might she be basing it on? Should it count much that I like or dislike her? What is the nexus between her opinion and any specific public policy? Is what she thinks important just because somebody thought it appealing enough to readers to publish her opinion?

What about my drunken uncle Clem? He’s got an opinion too?

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