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Back to the Drawing Board for Disney’s First Black PrincessPosted on Jul 17, 2008
Disney’s popular animated films have been criticized for creating 2-D characters from various non-Western (or non-white Western) cultures, so the Mouse House made an attempt to clear its name by creating a “black princess” character who ... works as a chambermaid for a bratty white Southern debutante in 1920s New Orleans. And that’s not the half of it: The first version of “The Princess and the Frog” featured a heroine named Maddie who, as The Independent put it, was to be “helped by a voodoo priestess fairy godmother to win the heart of a white prince, after he rescued her from the clutches of a voodoo magician.” Oops. Now, after some storyline tweaking, the story looks a bit different. Enter Princess Tiana.
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By Lindsey, April 22 at 2:52 am #
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I hope this movie is good because I know some sweet little princesess who are very excited!!! I am glad that theres finally a black princess, They look just as cute in a little princess dress as any little girl does. Yaay for all the little black princesses!!!! This one is for you!
Report thisBy obaachan, August 6, 2008 at 3:17 pm #
Disney should stick to animal cartoons (with scary parts)!
My childhood Disney trauma:—death of bambi’s mom / dumbo being taken away
(and i am sorry to disagree with a previous poster, but sleeping beauty has horribly scary scenes…it’s a very dark cartoon—and i still fancy that evil witch, she’s gorgeously dragon-like)
cheers,
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By cyrena, July 25, 2008 at 4:12 pm #
Rowdy, July 21 at 12:27 pm #
..Im not sure why Im even responding, but the Disney middle eastern princess, Jasmine, is Arabian, not Egyptian
Rowdy,
Thanks for the response. I had to chuckle because Im wondering the same thing, as have a few others on this thread..like, why are we even talking about a Disney doll?
Still, I appreciate the correction on Jasmine (whose name I didnt even know told ya I didnt keep up with anything Disney) that she is Arabian and not Egyptian. See how confusing it all is? Im a scholar who SHOULD know the difference, but it depends on just how were breaking these geographical concepts down. Fadel would be the real expert there. My Egyptian colleagues consider themselves to be Egyptian, not African. So, my standard approach now is to find out first, how any given individual identifies THEMSELVES, and go with that.
Im with ya on all the rest. The royalty thing should have been dead in the water of the Atlantic, before it ever reached these shores. Then again, its pretty clear from my multiple posts that I think this whole white thing is an aberration of the Americas anyway. We had plenty of COLOR in this place, before it was whitewashed by the Euros. Be that as it may, Ive gotten past that and allowed myself to be assimilated to a certain degree. So now Im just a North American with an international mindset.
And yeah, Prince Charming and his sidekick would be a nice addition, if were really talking about some diversity here. Aint gonna happen, but its a noble thought.
By Kevin in Virginia, July 21 at 2:35 pm
..SOME of us are beyond the silly race issue. I know this sounds callous but, I cant wait until your breed dies out
No Kevin, it isnt callous at all. Ive been wishing the same thing the dying out of that breed. Unfortunately, the breed these people represent is a breed of ignorance. And sadly, the ignorance continues to perpetuate itself.
A reminder from Emma Goldman:
~Ignorance is the most violent element of society.
Report thisBy justin j, July 22, 2008 at 7:05 am #
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funny; an article about a cartoon princess recieves the most comments-myself adding to the number! the posted storyboard description echos cinderella:
“The original version has been traced back to China. Most of us are familiar with the version written by Charles Perrault and published in 1697 in Paris. There are over one thousand versions of the story, many from cultures all around the world.”
(courtesy of: http://volweb.utk.edu/Schools/bedford/thomas/cinderella.html)
it therfore does not sound unreasonable to reflect “cinderella” in another cultural light; maybe this credits disney’s intentions. be careful of exaggerating cultural cliches, but also be true to history. servitude (having servants) was/is prominent in ancient and modern civilizations and included all ethnicities, and did/does not necessarily imply slavery, although that too was/is an unpleasant reality. i don’t recall slander arising from the story “Yeh-Shen, A Cinderella Story from China”, by Ai-Ling Louie; “Cendrillon”, by Robert D. SanSouci (carribean version); or “The Turkey Girl”, A Zuni Cinderella Story, by Penny Pollock.
an un-advantaged/exploited character (be it sevant, slave, or other) is an essential component of the plot of the cinderella story, whatever the ethnicity of the character may be.
Report thisBy Kevin in Virginia, July 21, 2008 at 6:50 pm #
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Rowdy wrote ....and while were at it how about a couple of gay princes now THAT would show some diversity! Who knows, maybe Prince Charming and Prince Eric (Ariels beau) would hit it off, move to Fire Island and ...live happily ever after….
Dude (I think)..that actually had me rolling..Don’t know if you meant it to be funny or not..but lmfao…Cute but that won’t happen in these good ole’ U.S. of A.
. Nice reality show maybe.
Report thisBy Kevin in Virginia, July 21, 2008 at 6:35 pm #
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You know, I was FOR this film until I read Cyrena’s comments. You are absolutely right!. Why bother! Their history shows they don’t know HOW to be sensitive to other cultures; just as much as “hippy pam” doesn’t know how to write in proper English. Somehow, Hippy Pam, I’m not surprised you heard that comment at Walmart. This article was not about politics. But, if you’re not voting Obama because he has African blood, America doesn’t need your vote. SOME of us are beyond the silly race issue. I know this sounds callous but, I can’t wait until your breed dies out.
Report thisBy Rowdy, July 21, 2008 at 4:27 pm #
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I’m not sure why I’m even responding, but the Disney “middle eastern” princess, Jasmine, is Arabian, not Egyptian.
I’m not thrilled with how Disney portrays ANY of its princesses. Why are they all thin and starry eyed and beautiful, and “not true-to-life” uhm… maybe because they are cartoons?!?
But if Disney is trying to show their diversity and they are going to have an African princess, why does it have to be an African American? The ‘white’ princesses aren’t necessarily American. Since when did America have royalty? It seems more like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty (who both became a princess by virtue of their respective Prince Charming and Prince Philip) were more English (or at least European) than American.
There does not NEED to be a black princess, but if there is going to be one and if Disney wants to be as “authentic” as it can be, why not make her the beautiful daughter of a Nubian Queen?
...and while we’re at it… how about a couple of gay princes… now THAT would show some diversity! Who knows, maybe Prince Charming and Prince Eric (Ariel’s beau) would hit it off, move to Fire Island and “...live happily ever after.”
Report thisBy cyrena, July 21, 2008 at 3:43 pm #
By Rowdy, July 18 at 11:07 am #
Why cant the first black Disney princess be an African Princess? The last time I looked Egypt was part of Africa and Egypt had true royalty including princesses and queens.
Disney, look beyond the US borders theres a whole wide world out there!
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Rowdy,
This is a deju vu for me. Several months ago, a old friend, (she’s old, AND I’ve known her for a long time) sent me the typical chain mail couching a complaint, (and a petition) that Disney needed a Black Princess, because after all, Disney had all of these other ‘princesses’ and the thing went on to name the white ones, and the Native American ones, and allegedly, a “Middle Eastern” one. She added that there needed to be an “African American” Princess so that she would have this option for purchases for her grandaughter.
Well, since I do NOT keep up with Disney, or anything that Disney does,makes, or markets. I was lost on the “Middle Eastern” version of a Disney Princess, so I wrote back to ask ‘who’ this particular princess was, and where she’d come from. She said that she thought she was from Egypt.
So, I wrote back advising her that Egypt IS Africa, so what more did they want in an “African American” Princess? (She’d obviously thought that ‘Middle East’ was somehow not Africa…I don’t know why…maps are fairly easy to access, and while I admit that they do change from time to time, it’s not like the TV guide). I never heard anything more.
Moral of the story…I don’t know why we have to HAVE a Black Disney Princess. If ever there was a racist and mostly ANTI-black corporation, it’s DISNEY! Why would black people in America want to have anything of their own likeness, produced by DISNEY? Makes no sense. And, they haven’t done so well with any other their other ‘diversity’ characters. I don’t like the depiction of Sambo, (who is supposed to be Indian, but that was long-ago coined a derogatory term for blacks) and the Pocohanas (sp?) character that is supposed to represent a Native American is insulting as well. (that’s not how we look, dress, or otherwise behave).
So, I don’t much care if Disney doesn’t even BOTHER with a Black Princess. They should just stick to their standard non-color/non-substance product, and leave it at that. There are enough other independent manufacturers of black, and/or any other ethnicity of dolls/toys/games/etc, that we don’t need Disney mucking things up. In my humble opinion of course.
Report thisBy hippy pam, July 21, 2008 at 8:28 am #
OF COURSE THRERE IS PANDERING TO THE MINORITYS-[have you looked lately?they are NO LONGER MINORITYS]The majority of ADS feature african americans[P.C.?at my age I’m not sure WHAT the current P.C.terminology is.]Most gas stations and party store/$1.00 stores are owned by PERSONS OF MIDDLE EASTERN DESCENT.And the ARROGANCE of the a.a. YOUTH is beyond belief.I am REALLY WORRIED about an a.a. president…THAT WILL BE THE SIGNAL TO [and I have HEARD this in THE WALMART]“take what we got comin to us.”]
Report thisBy Kevin in Virginia, July 20, 2008 at 9:55 pm #
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It is very unfortunate, but not surprising that George Manuelian of Atherton, Ca finds being sensitive to other’s perception of stereotypes, “pandering to minority groups”. I guess the old Tarzan and Planet of the Apes stereotypes would be just fine with him. Or maybe he’d like to see the Disney character to be some poor inner city kid living on welfare, with a mother on crack, who is saved by a white prince (because hell we all know there aint no non-white princes; not realistic huh)? Mister..the world is made up of more than just you and your kind. It is sad you don’t realize that yet.
Report thisBy J, July 20, 2008 at 4:54 pm #
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Why, GM, when movies are released that are hostile to non-Western cultures and concerns from groups are shrugged off with a “that’s how the world works” hunching of the shoulders, is that not pandering? Obviously there is a group benefiting from such portrayals. Let’s say this movie’s released, and a group of people who have never had a problem with Disney’s treatment of race decides to protest because the movie’s characters aren’t “American” enough, whatever that means. Would any response from Disney be pandering in that sense, or is your issue with who’s being heard?
As for the movie, don’t expect to see anything much that departs from Disney’s time-honored traditions. If it’s not racist, it’ll likely be sexist. Find out before you let your kids soak up those kinds of attitudes.
Report thisBy KIM, July 20, 2008 at 12:46 pm #
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IT IS WAY PASS DUE—- HAVING AN INETERRACIAL ROMANCE—- THANK YOU AS WELL——LOVE IS BLIND—- IT’S TIME WE TEACH ALL OF OUR CHILDREN THIS—ESPECIALLY SINCE GOD IS LOVE!!!!
Report thisBy samosamo, July 19, 2008 at 3:40 am #
Disney, our national moderator. 89% of america couldn’t express or generate a thought without disney setting the format.
Report thisGo stick an iPod in your ear and as bill o’riillly, says SHUT UP!!!
By Elizabeth, July 18, 2008 at 10:37 pm #
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What’s wrong with doing a real African folk/fairy tale with real African characters? This “princess” looks truly awful and weird. Couldn’t she have a “real” crown and a normal hairstyle like a “real” princess. The Disney people need to get out more.
Report thisBy Rowdy, July 18, 2008 at 3:07 pm #
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Why can’t the first black Disney princess be an African Princess? The last time I looked Egypt was part of Africa and Egypt had true royalty including princesses and queens.
Disney, look beyond the US borders… there’s a whole wide world out there!
Report thisBy Fadel Abdallah, July 18, 2008 at 2:40 pm #
Well, of course, with the possibility of a slim black lady becoming the first lady of America, the traditionally racist and out of touch Disney’s executives want to prove that not only they’re not racists, but they want to take credit that their “progressive work and outlook” have prepared the ground for this to happen!
Once the merchant’s crooked mentality of profit, always the merchant’s crooked mentality of profit!
Report thisBy Gordon Urquhart, July 18, 2008 at 10:06 am #
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Isn’t it time everyone just pointed out the obvious? For years now Disney has consistently treated anyone who isn’t white and English speaking as two dimensional caricatures of ethnic humor and or evil. The rare attempts to rectify this have been pathetic and sad, giving Pocahontas a little tan while keeping her pert little nose. I don’t believe that these people at Disney think they are racists, but they are.
Report thisEven worse is the scary and deliberate dumbing down of myths and stories important to the development of childrens understanding of the world. Childhood stories are supposed to contain scary parts, and unhappy events. The witch kills and eats hapless kids, bad things happen. These stories are meant to prepare children for the real world of adults. Disney’s relentless and usually unimaginative sugar-coating, happy endings, and unrealistic characters not only dishonor the myths they retell, and do nothing to encourage maturity in children, but also betray the deep seated fears haunting Disney’s executives psyches. It poisons everything they touch.
Cars, the first Pixar film after Disney bought them, was also the first Pixar film to pull it’s punches and not do as well as their other products. The stories of Disney’s nervousness about and attempts to sabotage Johnny Depps portrayal of Jack Sparrow are well-known. Even after the huge commercial success of the first Pirates film, they couldn’t keep their hands off and the weakest parts of the next two can be attributed directly to the conservative fearful atmosphere that envelopes Disney. They are a sad and messed up company, nothing like the innovative and imaginative creation Walt had years ago.
By GM, July 18, 2008 at 3:56 am #
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More pandering to minority groups. Why am I somehow also sure the “revised race” of the villain will now be a white guy? Typical.
George Manuelian
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