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Stone Gears Up for ‘W’Posted on May 8, 2008
Entertainment Weekly has released first-look photos of actor Josh Brolin in character for his lead role in Oliver Stone’s new movie, “W.” Portraying the current president is no small challenge, but director Stone, who has been accused of courting controversy in his previous big-screen presidential portrayals, has promised to treat his subject fairly.
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By samosamo, May 11 at 11:36 am #
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Alas, I guess this will be the information that the public needs and that the msm refuses to give and thus according to the attention span and the willingness to have a story shown and told through a movie then maybe it will open some people’s eyes that ordinarily would not be open but to what degree will those eyes be opened is part of the quality of it all. It will be entertain value which I don’t believe is the kind of information the people need, but back around the old circle, msm ain’t giving anybody anything.
Reply to this | Report thisThe new msm motto, creed or what have you: ‘keep em dumb’.
Check it out:
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By Louise, May 9 at 7:23 pm #
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Perhaps everyone misses a point here.
I think Stone says it best ...
“Bush may turn out to be the worst president in history. I think history is going to be very tough on him. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t a great story.”
As one of many who has a library full of “Bush-shit” I have to agree. His is a great story. So is Manson, as is Mark Hofmann and Nixon, Karl Rove and a whole slew of other bad and not to bright folks.
Where history places Bush ... in the good, the bad or the really dumb ... remains to be seen. But his story will be great. Not in the sense that he is great, or has done great things, but in the sense that why and when and what for, will be so fascinating.
I seriously doubt a movie will do the story justice. Maybe it will come out in book form.
But I see one real problem with the movie already. Stones choice of Josh Brolin for the role of Bush will not be believable. He looks far to seriously intelligent. Not at all like Bush when he tries to look seriously intelligent. That look always prompts me to think of Alfred E. Neuman. And brings on the giggles.
I seriously doubt that’s what Stone is going for.
Reply to this | Hide 1 reply | Report thisBy Billy the Dik, May 9 at 7:47 pm #
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Re:Louise, May 9 at 7:23 pm
Of course, Louise, everybody misses the point except you and Alfred.
Reply to this | Report thisBy Billy the Dik, May 9 at 3:54 pm #
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For Future's History
I don’t quite understand the reasoning of DennisD., Jaded Prole, NYCguy and their ilk. I’m sure, if little else, Stone will address the exponential growth of future threats of terrorist attacks (not based out of D.C., that is) since Bush & Co. came to town. It’ll be all-out-war and terror from Bush’s grave. His administration’s crimes and their repercussions have only been hinted at so far.
Reply to this | Report thisBy dasm, May 9 at 2:59 pm #
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Treated fairly = Honestly
Treated fairly = honestly. Therefore Bush will come off as the stupid, brow-beaten, incompetent war-monger & anti-American Constition jerk that he is. No problem there.
Reply to this | Report thisBy HC, May 9 at 11:16 am #
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Treated fairly? Fair treatment would require his properly being described as a war criminal, responsible for the deaths and maimings of hundreds of thousands, for starters. Toss in undermining of Constitional protections which he was sworn to uphold and other impeachable offenses, and the only fair question left to be asked about his administration is whether this country can ever recover from it.
Reply to this | Report thisBy robertr, May 9 at 10:50 am #
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There are many fine films made about reprehensible people. No subject should be off-limits for any artist. It is typical of Stone to brazenly approach a subject like this while the wounds are still open. It could be a disaster, but it could be quite interesting. Of course Bush is a monster, but why shouldn’t Stone or anyone else try to understand him a little?
Reply to this | Report thisBy ocjim, May 9 at 10:26 am #
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Stone's Waste Rivals The Wasted Lives and Money
There are so many people who have made positive contributions to humankind, and Stone picks a spoiled rich frat boy with the the smarts and the attention span of a box of hair, who has failed in everything, including any kind of leadership.
What a waste of time and effort.
Reply to this | Report thisBy robertr, May 9 at 10:14 am #
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I can’t comment on “Alexander”, as I haven’t seen it, but you are wrong about “JFK.” You need to go a little deeper. The movie isn’t simply saying “this is what happened.” It forces us to think about what we see or what we think we see. I agree that Americans (and others) should not turn to movies to learn the facts of history, but films can inspire us to delve deeper. Sometimes a film or a novel can get closer to the emotional truth of a subject than what we normally classify as “history.”
Reply to this | Report thisBy DennisD, May 9 at 8:22 am #
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Gear the clown down
Stone Gears Up for ‘W’ -
Do us all a favor and gear down. We have no need for any Bu$h reminders once he’s gone. Thank you.
Reply to this | Report thisBy Jaded Prole, May 9 at 3:18 am #
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Bush Doesn't Deserve a Movie
I find it disgusting that anyone would make a movie further immortalizing a creep like Bush. He is an incompetent front man for a fascist cabal. Stone shouldn’t be wasting his time on this. How about a moved about Abu Ggraib from the high offices to the lowest victim?
Reply to this | Report thisBy NYCguy, May 8 at 9:17 pm #
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I’m sure Stone thinks that he will be doing a great service to history with his film. But let there are two things wrong with making historical films (especially by Stone): 1. we dumb americans should read a book to learn about these types of events; 2. Stone distorts history in his films and they are seen as fact by us dumb americans. For example: “JFK” is a complete farce. Also, “Alexander” was historically way off.
I hate Bush but I’m sure Stone cannot protray him accurately (because of right wing pressure).
Americans should learn history through books, not films.
Reply to this | Hide 2 replies | Report thisBy william blake, May 9 at 4:13 am #
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JFK is a complete farce ? Maybe YOU need to do a little more reading. If anything was a complete farce-it was the Warren Commission snowjob.
Reply to this | Hide 1 reply | Report thisBy NYCguy, May 9 at 9:42 pm #
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Wait… so you’re telling me that you believe in a JFK conspiracy? Give me a break; you are proving my point that films that distort history give dumb people a f-uped history lesson. Not to get side-tracked but it is scientifically proven that Oswald was the lone gunman and that there was no conspiracy. As for the Warren Commission, I cannot speak to that but all I was trying to say that in general, Stone’s movies are not serving any good because us dumb Americans believe that everything in movies like his are true-to-life. BTW I like “JFK” but when I saw is as a little kid, it had me convinced that there was a conspiracy until I found out on my own that it was all a load of crap.
Report thisBy Gary Aguilar, May 8 at 8:38 pm #
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Despite catcalls from "wiser heads," Stone was right
Lets hope Stone hasn’t lost his courage to sail against the wind, the way he did in his film, “JFK.”
Over at Historymatters.com, I wrote the following about Stone’s take on JFK and Vietnam, and the ruckus it caused. Guess what, he’s been vindicated and his detractors proven wrong.
Gary Aguilar
JFK, Vietnam, and Oliver Stone
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/vietnam/JFK, Vietnam, and Oliver Stone/JFK, Vietnam, and Oliver Stone.htm
Gary Aguilar
November, 2005
Oliver Stone would scarcely have elicited more righteous indignation by lecturing Baptist ministers on the evils of Christianity than he did among journalists and historians by releasing his popular film JFK. Pundits by the pack bristled at Stone’s contempt for the Warren Commission. One of the outrages that provoked particular vehemence was Stone’s revisionist representation of Kennedy as a president who threatened The Establishment because he would not have taken the country to war over Vietnam. But the outcry wasn’t just about his bad history. It had at least as much to do with the director’s chutzpah in trespassing onto turf owned by career journalists and historians.
In the Washington Post, George Will called JFK a “three hour lie from an intellectual sociopath."[1] Noam Chomsky dedicated an entire book – “Rethinking Camelot” – to debunking Stone’s notion that under Kennedy the history of Southeast Asia would have been altogether kinder and gentler.[2] Leslie Gelb sneered from the pages of the New York Times that the “torments” of Presidents Kennedy and Johnson over Vietnam “are not to be trifled with by Oliver Stone or anyone."[3] A banner headline on the cover of Newsweek barked: “Why Oliver Stone’s New Movie Can’t Be Trusted."[4]
Stone’s crackpot history had apparently imperiled the public not only by throwing mud at perhaps America’s most respected murder investigation, but also by rewriting American history to push his leftist, anti-American agenda. The message was that there was danger when moviemakers forgot their place. Theirs was the business of entertaining, not interpreting history. That business was best left in the capable hands of credentialed authorities.
Across the political spectrum those authorities derided Stone’s war-wary peacenik on grounds his “JFK” bore no resemblance whatsoever to the historical JFK. Behind a pacific façade, received wisdom had it, Kennedy was really a clanking Cold Warrior spoiling for a fight – in Southeast Asia, in Cuba and perhaps elsewhere. In the context of his treatment of Diem, Stone’s critics placed JFK’s occasionally fierce, if conflicted, rhetoric.
“By November, sanctioning a coup against an ally in the name of winning the war had been added,” wrote Robert Bartley in The Wall St. Journal. “Then withdraw? Joe Kennedy’s competitive kid? The ‘bear any burden’ guy? Give me a break. Acolytes love this myth dearly … .” [5] Another historian, William Gibbons, said that it “is absurd” to imagine that Kennedy would have pulled out.[6] In The Nation Magazine, Alexander Cockburn wrote, “The public record shows JFK was always hawkish.”[7] And in no less than the respected Reviews in American History, Max Holland, a Nation Magazine contributing editor, declared that it was a “fantasy that Kennedy was on the verge of pulling out from Vietnam.”[8]
The years that followed have not been kind to those who had stoned the director. “Received wisdom” has been swamped by a tsunami of new and credible scholarship brought about by the declassifications of literally millions of pages of government secrets. The impetus for their release came directly from Stone, who publicly nagged about the absurdity of the government saying the case was “open and shut” while suppressing mountains of the evidence.
No doubt to the dismay of Stone’s detractors, a strikingly different and more favorable – even more Oliver Stone-like - view of Kennedy has recently emerged ... .
Reply to this | Report thisBy endbushwar, May 8 at 6:07 pm #
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Don’t get me wrong, I love SOME of his work!! E.G. JFK!! But his 911 was a cop-out & worse........ Whether 911 was an inside job, or not, it provided the fig leaf for a war of conquest and plunder.........All the pious talk of making the world a better place (without sadam) and how we are safer is only soap suds......And please don’t me going on the anthrax......All those that died, either bush had a grudge against them, they were obstructing the patriot act, or they were mailmen........ See: http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/anthrax/anthraxtarge ts.shtml ....... What I’m trying to say here, is that the very premditated nature of the bush putsch needed to be at least pointed out in a film treatment of 911!! Will Oliver deliver this time as he has done in the past, or will we get one more senimental diversion from the awful truth as we did in 911........
Reply to this | Report thisBy peedeecee, May 8 at 4:38 pm #
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Hollywood goes all comeuppance....
Beautiful! Talk about damning with faint praise.
Reply to this | Hide 1 reply | Report thisBy Billy the Dik, May 8 at 7:55 pm #
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Re: Hollywood goes all comeuppance....
peedeecee, why don’t you say what you mean? Chickenshithawk.
Reply to this | Report thisBy msgmi, May 8 at 3:18 pm #
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No disrespect to Josh Brolin, but Christopher Walkin would have been an ideal GW character actor. It takes a lot of talent to play a puppet without strings.
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