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Colbert and Stewart on the Comeback TrackPosted on Dec 21, 2007
If Comedy Central headliners Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert indeed return to television Jan. 7—the eve of the New Hampshire primary, as fate (or whatever capricious force controls networks’ holiday scheduling practices) would have it—they’ll probably have to stage their comebacks without their trusty and witty writing teams.
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By archeon of thrace, January 6, 2008 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment
Yes, I agree Jaki - you are right.
Anti-union powertripping capitalist abusers of workers need to be punished. Boycotts can be one tool in this whipping.
Report thisBy Jaki, January 6, 2008 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment
By archeon of thrace, January 5 at 10:47 pm #
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Bullshit - I agree with
And I agree with YOU that we should boycott crap from China, along with some of the other things you mentioned. I don’t agree that boycotting a TV show is intellectually silly because it is really not the specific TV show that is important, IT IS THE ANTI-UNION POWER TRIP THE CORPORATE EXECUTIVES ARE ON and their greed (no viewers no advertisers)...and I think you know it, if you are honest.
I suspect you also know that television viewing is monitored. The networks know how many viewers there are for each program. That’s how they get those advertising bucks. That’s why I won’t watch.
Corporations will feel the sting of personal actions over time; individuals making conscious choices to NOT BUY certain brands, or items, or things imported from certain countries. It could be a kind of “silent revolution” but very collective, especially if we use the internet. We are all feeling the erosion of quality of goods due to outsourcing and globalization and most of us are sick of it.
We want our quality manufacturers back. What options do we have other than to refuse to buy the junk that is forced on us? Wanna bet the ruling class doesn’t have to buy that crap? They are insulated. They don’t shop at WalMart, or Home Depot, or Target, or K-Mart, or Walgreens, or Ross, or even the middle-class stores, like Macy’s, which also have become overloaded with clothes and other goods made in China and The Philipines and Pakistan and…
We are also sick of plastics, chemicals, pesticides in our food, genetically-engineered food, oil-consuming, pollution-belching vehicles. And we need to escalate our resistance to them and the corporations who force them on us. To wait until those within the political system create change would be an exercise in futility. Each of us has the power to change ourselves and our consumption behavior.
We are part of the collective consciousness and we have a responsibility to the planet to act.
Every individual act ripples through the web of existence.
Report thisBy cyrena, January 6, 2008 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment
Jaki,
Thanks so much for sharing this message from the Kucinich campaign. I will sign up immediately. (I thought I had a long time ago, but just realized that I haven’t received anything from them in a long time).
OK…good to know that the message thing came through from truthdig. That means it works. I’ve never been able to get it to before, and I actually sent that back a few weeks ago, when we were discussing it before.
So, I’ll wait to see if you can navigate it. Can’t remember if I included my email address then. If not, I’ll wait to hear back from you on that end, and then I can send it.
Happy New Year!!
Report thisBy Jaki, January 6, 2008 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
By cyrena, January 6 at 7:31 am #
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Re: Akira, your hostility reflects your ignorance.
Hi Cyrena! Thanks for the headsup about Akira’s reputation for hate. As you know, I’m relatively new to this blog game, but I’m not so naive or messianic to believe someone with this level of deep-seeded anger will be influenced by my response.
But he has given me another opportunity to do what I do best, support the courageous people who speak out, who are willing to make sacrifices (including not watching their favorite TV program—I LOVE Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, but I will not watch if they cross the picket line because I SUPPORT UNIONS), and who might think they are alone or who are losing hope, or getting so cynical they give up.
In these times, we all need as much support as we can get and give. And as much truth.
Speaking of which, I received an email from the Kucinich campaign today with the following information:
“...In answer to your questions about why I didn’t support former Senator John Edwards on the second ballot in Iowa: I have serious concerns about his connections to a Wall Street hedge fund, Fortress Investment Group. While attacking others for accepting campaign money from Washington lobbyists, he is up to his ears in money from Wall Street special interests.
He made half a million dollars in a single year for attending a few meetings for Fortress and has invested a substantial part of his own personal wealth in the hedge fund whose portfolios are responsible for sub-prime predatory lending practices, Medicare privatization, and an entire range of corporate sharp dealings that are driving the middle class into poverty.
While I indicated Senator Obama as a preferred second choice in Iowa, Progressives have fundamental disagreements with him and all of the other Presidential candidates on most of their major positions on the issues.
We must have the courage of our convictions to fully support and vote for what it is we really want. For once, we must realize our power, stop playing tactical games, and vote as a bloc - which, as you know, is what the religious right does and why they often win.
We Progressives are in the majority in this election. We will win only when we refuse to compromise and vote with integrity.”
I encourage everyone to SIGN UP for Dennis Kucinich’s
very informative emails: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
P.S. Cyrena…I did receive a notice from Truthdig about a direct communication with you and I will try to navigate that today.
Report thisBy cyrena, January 6, 2008 at 7:31 am Link to this comment
Jaki,
Thanks for what is…as usual, an excellent post. It’s excellent for any newcomers, though it is totally wasted on Akira.
In short, this is standard for him. It’s unfortunate that he’s popped-up again, since he can be counted on for exactly this kind of spew.
He falls in the same category as all of the others that can be so easily classified as selfish, with the major diagnosis - HATE. Hate for all.
Hopefully he’ll go away again soon.
Report thisBy archeon of thrace, January 5, 2008 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment
Bullshit - I agree with Akira, try boycotting something serious like oil, or plastic, or cheap clothing from china. Perhaps actually gettin out to vote in a election is something to strive for - but boycotting a tv show? get real. that is easy. it is cheap. it is intellectually silly.
That guy in Teinamen square in Bejing standing before the tanks with his plastic bag in his hand, HE was taking a stand. Sophie Scholl and her brother in Nazi Germany, they took a stand. I don’t see many taking a stand now, here in this pardise of freedom and liberty. We just continue to burn the oil, polute the water, cut the trees - if we are not doing it here we allow it to happen by proxie in India, China, and Russia.
Report thisBy Jaki, January 5, 2008 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment
By Akira_Maritias, January 3 at 6:16 am #
Bullshit.You want to start boycotting
Akira, your hostility is so unbecoming and reflects your ignorance and immaturity. People like you, who discourage others from making whatever stand they feel they can make, including supporting unions and not being the kind of media scab you say you intend to be, need to wake up and understand just what being an activist and progressive (and caring) human being is all about.
There is a story about a young girl and her father who come upon a beach where there are thousands of starfish lying on the beach, having been washed in during a storm, some still alive. The young girl picks up one and takes it back into the water. Her father asks her why she did that when it can’t possibly matter since there are so many on the beach.
She responds, “it matters to that one.”
Every effort progressive-thinking people can make to speak truth to power, to expose corruption, lies, and greed, whether that is writing a response on a blog (which is the only way some people can express their feelings), marching in the streets to protest injustice, supporting striking union members for fair treatment, giving money to progressive causes, whatever…EVERYTHING COUNTS. And sometimes the first act one makes, one makes alone. That is how every grassroots movement starts. And they grow because of support, kindred spirits coming together, sometimes in the face of overwhelming power, and often in spite of discouraging negativity like yours.
In 1966 I stood, knees shaking, with 5 other people on the steps of the National Headquarters of the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Indianapolis, Indiana, to protest the War in Vietnam. It was my very first such act, but definitely not my last. It changed my life. And what prompted me to do it was one book (VIETNAM, VIETNAM), a photographic essay of what we were doing to the men, women, and children of that country, by one man (Felix Greene), which one person gave to me.
And yes, I do pay attention now to what gas I put in my car (Citgo, not Standard Oil), and I do read food labels, and I don’t drink coke or any other corporate crap that is poison, and I support many causes, because I have grown over the years in my understanding and awareness. I have educated myself about Capitalism, Imperialism, and the American Agenda, and I have made, and will continue to make, hard choices. I know, contrary to the vitriol that you somehow felt necessary to spew, that there are millions of others worldwide who do the same, and there will be millions more as we continue to inform and support each other in our efforts.
How dare you put down the efforts of those who care enough to try to change this world? You sound like a very spoiled, selfish little brat. Grow up.
Report thisBy archeon of thrace, January 5, 2008 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment
If the writers shouldn’t make 150K then why should the execs of the media companies make 1000+K? The writers need to get the royalties on their work that is being and will be carried on the new digital and electronic media channels and platforms. For Leno, Letterman, Obrien, Colbert, and Steward to play the “they are making us do it” crap is dishonest, silly, and I can’t believe they think we will actually fall for it.
The studios, producers, and multinational media companies are dishonest bloodsucking immoral unethical avaricious demons. They like all entities that must rely on the creativity and labour of real people in wage slavery only care about profit.
Does anyone realize that it costs more to develope an new car model that it does to make a movie like Titanic? the car has great costs of overhead, material, etc to produce and the life span of each car is limited, as is the money making potential of each model. Titanic cost $400 million to make, made all it’s costs back within 6 months, and has the potential to keep making money for it’s studio and producers FOREVER! The writers simply want a fair share of this potential forever revenue.
Report thisBy JimBob, January 5, 2008 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
As much as I have missed their shows (though I am getting a lot of reading done in the process) I will never tune them in, not even out of curiosity to see how they’re making out without writers, until the strike is over.
Report thisAnd BTW, they may well have some of their writers, though they’re not going to say so. There’s a status called “financial core” in right-to-work states, which allows a person to go on receiving all financial benefits (union pay scale, pension and health coverage) from the Writers Guild while returning to work, and no sanctions of any kind are permitted. So, Colbert and Stewart, unless we hear specifically otherwise from them, may well have some of their old writers who’ve decided to go the Legalized Scab route. For shame if they have!!
By Libgress, January 4, 2008 at 11:24 am Link to this comment
Louise, you presented a viable solution.
We miss Stewart and Colbert, and as they are inclined to be loyal to their
writers, they could book the writers as guests, and the show can go on.
In Letterman’s 1st show since the strike, his writers and a couple
Report thisfrom Colbert and Stewart were included in skits revolving around
the writers’ strike. The skits were funny, informative about the strike,
and paid homage to the ambivalence felt by cast members.
By Akira_Maritias, January 3, 2008 at 6:16 am Link to this comment
Bullshit.
You want to start boycotting something? Start by boycotting something worth boycotting! Do you even listen to yourselves?
“Hey! Colbert and Stewart are -possibly- being forced to cross the picket lines! Let’s boycott the hell out of them!”
Of course, that one is convenient to do. Stop watching a TV show, oh, how rebellious.
Now, you’d be ballsy enough to -say- you’d boycott something like oil, but would you? How long would that last?
Oil, coke, pepsi, non-natural food, Bill O’Reilly, Presidential elections, taxes….every one of you has the balls to say you would do it, but guess what? You’d probably fill up your car, or buy a Dasani, or get too lazy to read the packaging to see if it was natural or not, or watch an episode of O’Reilly, or vote, or do your taxes….and millions would go ahead and do the same.
But not watching a TV show? Sign me up! That one’s really easy and won’t actually screw up my schedule at all! Hell, that’s like the morons who give up something like -red meat- for a month. Find something really easy, and go with that.
You guys can go ahead and ‘boycott’ Colbert and Stewart. Me? I’ll watch. I want their take. I want the writers to get paid fairly, but I want their take. I want to hear what’s going on from people who were picketing.
Do you want a real boycott? Boycott the movies. But guess what? 3 or four people ain’t gonna cut it. Neither will 40, or 50. Even 100 people doing it won’t make a difference. You -must- try and convince millions to boycott something. Announcing it on Truthdig is not enough. Then again, that probably wouldn’t be convenient enough, would it? It’s far more convenient to not watch, then proudly state that you boycotted it.
Report thisBy Frank Cajon, January 1, 2008 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment
Cyrena’s comment of 12/31 makes a good point. I am not watching scripted television since the strike, and since my wife and I don’t watch reality or game shows there is little other than news or sports on the tube. The shows I miss most are Colbert and Stewart, who along with their producers and crews are scabs, and whose shows were my favorites. I watch quite a few movies on DVD and am getting caught up with reading and have more time to play music. I may be supporting the bastard networks by TIVOing the football games, but no one is perfect.
Report thisBy cyrena, January 1, 2008 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
I ditto Outraged. Excellent insight here. Great comments.
Report thisBy cyrena, December 31, 2007 at 12:25 am Link to this comment
The producers and networks do not want to settle this strike they want to break the union.How long do you think it will be before whoever owns the business you work in will take note and try to break the union you are in.Middle class wake up it is divide and conquer.
Thomas Billis,
I think a whole bunch of this audience, (The Middle Class) is already dead, (or near enough) which is why they cant wake up. The Corps in my former industry started busting up the Unions so long ago, that this is like a recycle.
Remember Regan and PATCO? An then ALL of the airlines started Continental, and on and on. Some of them retained a pretend sort of union, but they long ago lost any real power. Little by little, they just chipped and chipped, and chipped away. (mostly by outsourcing) 20 years later WHAMMO!!! 9/11 .wiped out the rest.
And, of course thats the same with so MANY industries. So, I dont know what it will take to wake up the few remaining. Seems like they would have figured it out by now. Then again, the ones who wont wake up, are the ones who either feel that they are protected, or they feel like they dont have any choice. (like starve or be homeless). The ever-present knife at the throat is, we can always find scabs. (and, they generally can and do).
Still, it would seem like this would be the one group who might have more power. I mean, cant everybody just STOP watching TV for as long as it takes? I remember several years ago, (at least 12 or so at this point) the Dallas Mayor told everybody to just STOP watching TV, because the cable companies, (whomever they were/are) were just going really nuts on the rates. I wasnt much tuned in myself, because I didnt watch TV anyway, so I wasnt paying for cable. Still, I remember thinking why is that such a difficult thing to do? I mean read a book, go to the park, play cards, have a party, whatever
I sure wish our customers had boycotted us back then. Not just for OUR sake, but ultimately, for their OWN sakes. In the end, its the consumer that suffers just as much, because they replace us with far less qualified people. Im not being arrogant, its just the truth. So, you wind up with a whole population of people who are WELL trained and experienced, and theyre just twiddling their thumbs, going from unemployment, to welfare, to homeless. And, in their place, the consumer gets people who for the most part, are far less qualified, not as well trained, (because the corps save money there as well) and as a general rule, folks just arent gonna work as hard for peanuts.
But, if the public/consumer keeps paying for a shoddy product, the corps will keep shoving it down their throat.
So, maybe this would be a good time for everybody to do a little entertainment detox. Just turn the damn thing off, and see how fast theyll work things out.
Everybody wins. (at least everybody that matters its a little bit hard to imagine the networks and producers going hungry).
Report thisBy Outraged, December 29, 2007 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment
It’s odd to be in this position as I agree with both of you although we don’t know ALL THE FACTS. Will I be leery if they cross the picket line, of course. However, another side of me says it would be just like “the powers that be” to discredit the both of them. I do think Colbert put everything on the line at the “White House Correspondents Dinner” although even with that I could be wrong, although I don’t think I am. I think we need to have a wait and see attitude and also some facts before we make any hasty decisions. I don’t know…......
I rewatched Colbert at that dinner, seems unlikely that he’s a scab, experience says these two things just don’t jive…..I don’t know…..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qa-4E8ZDj9s
Report thisBy Jaki, December 29, 2007 at 9:31 am Link to this comment
I guess truthdig doesn’t print email addresses. You can get one for Comedy Central by going to:
Report thishttp://www.comedycentral.com/help/terms.jhtml - 61k
By Jaki, December 29, 2007 at 8:42 am Link to this comment
By Thomas Billis, December 29 at 4:21 am #
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money is not the issue
I have rethought my position of willingness to forgive Jon and Steve if they return before the strike ends. They should not do it. I won’t watch if they do, and I love them both. They were a part of my daily life.
Thomas Billis is correct. His statement is succinct, to the point, and FLAT-OUT TRUTH. Those who work for The Man need unions or they will be reduced to slave wages, especially with globalization constantly replacing our workers by moving our manufacturing base to foreign countries. And we need to get it back and have the things we need and want made competently in our country, and keep our people working with livable wages.
But we also have to start boycotting the products from those foreign factories, as much as we can. We can’t boycott true necessities, but there are so many more things we buy that are not even remotely necessary that we could collectively refuse to purchase, on a daily, conscious basis. We have to start thinking seriously about how we have been lulled into salving our wounded pride and comforting our (real) fears with materialistic consumption, buying buying buying—junk, and poorly made junk at that.
The internet is a great forum and also a great avenue of communication to start boycotts. How about starting with CocaCola? Or Standard Oil? Or?
I guess maybe the first boycott should be Comedy Central and Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert…and their products! If enough of us are willing to make whatever sacrifice it means, it will hurt. It needs to hurt and they need to know it. So tell them. Flood them with calls and emails. Don’t watch. And don’t think you can sneak it in and no one will know. They know. They monitor.
And don’t just do it as a private protest. THEY NEED TO KNOW. They need to FEEL IT. And it will take time.
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By Thomas Billis, December 29, 2007 at 4:21 am Link to this comment
When a union goes on strike anyone who crosses a picket line is a scab.It is not funny or amusing.Any middle class guy who watches performers who have crossed a picket line is no better than they are.Unions have been trashed for the last 20 years and how has that worked out for you.If we do not support unions the individual is at the complete mercy of the corporation.Especially this strike.The producers and networks do not want to settle this strike they want to break the union.How long do you think it will be before whoever owns the business you work in will take note and try to break the union you are in.Middle class wake up it is divide and conquer.
Report thisBy lawlessone, December 28, 2007 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
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Given how hilariously terrifying Bush and Cheney and their assorted minions are when anything comes out of their mouths, all Jon Stewart need do is show photo clips of all the things what the main stream media won’t. Between what our Klutz-in-Chief utters and his Vice Torquemada does, no voice over comment is needed.
Report thisBy Outraged, December 27, 2007 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment
RE: #122803 by Aimee on 12/27
Great introspective thoughts. Thank you. As you imply it is hard to judge each situation upon its own merits without the facts.
It remains to be seen what the outcome will be. I was not aware of the situation that you spoke of. Great comment.
Report thisBy Aimee, December 27, 2007 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment
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Well, this reminds me of a story that I’ve heard Studs Terkel tell about the great Mahalia Jackson. Think McCarthy era, Mississippi Burning, Union people still being killed fighting for their rights.
Report thisSeems Studs was going to be kicked off of Mahalia’s program because he’d signed a petition that the McCarthy folks found too red, and he wouldn’t renounce it. (I’ve no idea if it had to do with unions, but they definitely emit a red hue). Studs wouldn’t cave and they were firing him when Mahalia overheard and told the suits that if Studs was walking, then so was she.
Let’s look at this in perspective- this was a Black woman in a very racist era (overtly, anyhow), who’d hit the big times and was willing to give it all up for principles and someone who worked for her. (They were friends, I should add). This is heroism. She did not wait for a convenient time; she didnt think that her voice was a beacon to the people that couldnt be sacrificed for this one man; she didnt think that her position as a black woman should be retained for all the young black girls growing up who admired her. She didnt make any excuses, but acted squarely on what she thought was right for all times, not just for her in that moment in time.
The suits buckled. Thats just justice, though. That is neither the beauty of it nor the point.
Granted, this situation seems a bit different. If Colbert and Stewart go on air, just what lines are they crossing? It seems simple to me, with some distance to it all, just as Mahalias decision seems simple with the distance of time. But here are two men who are funny because they act as humorous moral voices in a very immoral arena (Im talking politics and money). Will it be just as funny if they cross the picket line? And more than that- what will happen when the viewers cross that line with them? What will happen to the balance of things? (And ugh, the deregulations that the FCC has just passed!)
Does one Mahalia to balance out a Colbert, a Stewart and a knowing audience crossing the line? And who is that modern hero? Because its not just about money (though specifically it is), its about the balance of livelihood, the growing gap between the rich and the poor and a world driven by greed and ignorance.
By Serge, December 27, 2007 at 11:21 am Link to this comment
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People often mistake Colbert and Daily Show for straight news shows (probably because their satire and comedic comment are so filled with truth, or truthiness or whatever). Well, if their overlords want to force them back on the air they should do straight news, but the straight news the producers would rather not see. Reports on the strike every night and reading news from sources like Rawstory, Daily Kos, etc. They can borrow from a show like Countdown which is basically a news and commentary show. I’m not sure if they have the power to do this, but if they do, that’s the sort of thing I would suggest. Use their platform in a more straight forward way for revealing the truth since they don’t have their writing staff to do in a more nuanced way.
Report thisBy heavyrunner, December 26, 2007 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
Walter Reuther, the head of the autoworkers union, met with Nikita Krushchev when Krushchev visited the U.S. in the 1950s. When Krushchev learned about the collaborationist policies and the huge income Reuther accepted as head of the union Krushchev commented, “We hanged all the people like that in the U.S.S.R. in 1917.”
(I just finished rereading the two volume set of Kruschev’s memoirs published in the 1970s.)
Report thisBy Jaki, December 25, 2007 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment
To Louise—a brilliant plan. I wonder if Colbert & Stewart have actual control over who ARE the invited guests. Too often it seems the ones they have at the end of the show are just selling books, which are published by the Corp(ses). And then, of course, they both sometimes have to choke it back when some ahole like Andrew Card or Tom Delay or The Big Dick or Mrs. Big Dick sits across the table.
But, maybe they will see your post—or better yet, have you tried to communicate directly with them? Maybe through the Writers’ Guild?
If they have the power to do so, I would bet they would be on it.
My intuition is that they just squeak by getting away with as much anti-fascist comedic banter as they possibly can. The real money comes from advertising and the books. Which, of course, we can all boycott, if we so choose.
Let’s hope they survive this Catch 22 conundrum and that the audience of the previously devoted will forgive them any “sins” of survival. I’m sure it is painful to them to be forced to make the choice to give in or get out. They are not just one in a million workers, they are OUR VOICES and we have so few.
Report thisBy Jaki, December 25, 2007 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment
#121978 by Outraged on 12/22 at 10:58 pm
“There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. For one thing Colbert and Stewert may have contracts which may put them in an extremely precarious position.
Two, it shows the backlash of corporate America to any who stand up to them. Now they are AGAIN using the divide and conquer (and quite possibly just a facade of it) to make it appear that Colbert and Stewart sold out Get the facts before making any hasty judgements. Hasty judgements which are the equivalent of REACTIVE as opposed to PROACTIVE are a tactic. When this TACTIC works they laugh all the way to the bank.
As to unions being fat cats, there is an element of truth to this, however the unions were infiltrated by big business interests. Certainly there were those who were willing to be bought. But that in and of itself would not have lead to the complete and utter shambles which were made of unions at the hands of corporate interests in the political arena. Unions GOOD, big corporations BAD, end of story.
Thirdly, this issue highlights the NOW common tactic of corporate interests requiring TWO OR THREE TIMES the work for the SAME pay. Looks like its hitting middle America in a serious way now. Prior to this middle America was mainly watching as the lower ranks disappeared. Who did middle America think the corporations were going to use to fill those ranks? You guessed it folks….. and the immigrants were just a tool used to undermine the lower ranks. Now the lower ranks, if the middle doesnt buck up will be used to replace them. Of course at less than half the cost.
Were all in this together is RIGHT, an understatement, but undenialbly accurate. STICK TOGETHER, THAT IS THEIR WORST NIGHTMARE. And remember, theres more of us than there is of them….we can shut them down, dont EVER even think we cant. I think of corporate America in biblical terms: (paraphrased) They whitewash the outside but the inside is full of dead mens bones.
and remember, its always darkest before the dawn…...
Hi Outraged. I thought your letter was just so right on and so well-written, that it should be printed again. I am WITH YOU. We have to STICK TOGETHER and
support John and Steven, and all the other writers (most of whom do not make the big bucks, but could do a lot better if the Corp(ses) didn’t exploit their work and take far more than their share.
We also have to take back OUR AIRWAVES. I think we will find a way to do this. Boycotts? Millions of people in the streets? Refusing to support advertisers? Zillions of emails and phone calls to our so-called elected leaders to Impeach Cheney and Bush? That would certainly be a start. Get rid of the F(ascist)CC members who secure ruling class hold on our media transmissions.
John Stewart and Stephen Colbert, contrary to one lunatic on this blog, do not speak for the Whitewash House. They are among the few who Speak Truth to Power. They need our support, regardless of what they may be forced to do to stay on the air in the future, even after the strike ends. I think that would be the only way they would capitulate, and WE NEED THEM TO STAY ON THE AIR.
Leno, on the other hand….
Thank you for your thoughtful and forceful post.
Report thisBy Deborah, December 24, 2007 at 9:36 am Link to this comment
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I will lose a great deal of respect for both Stewart and Colbert if they should cross the picket line.
That pains me to say. I have grown to enjoy and care for them both dearly. I have their books, a stock of Stewarts Americone Dream in my freezer (ah, the taste of liberty) and I highly suspect that one of the small boxes under my Christmas tree contains a Wrist Strong bracelet from my husband.
How can Stewart have the balls to face down Lynn Cheney and seduce Condi Rice on air, but not take this for more than a couple of months? How can Colbert have the brass cojones to do what he did at the 2006 White House Correspondents dinner but cave on this?
Say it isn’t so fellas? Please tell me that what I’ve come to believe you believe…that the pressure of the powers that be was not as powerful as the ideals of truth and fairness.
I believe in you like I believe in Charlie Brown eventually kicking the football…like I believe that the Bengals may once again see Super Bowl before I die…like I believe all the lessons I was taught in my grade school “Lessons about America”...that everyone from the President on down is equal in this country - that we all must obey the law regardless of how much money we have or who our friends are - that things like life, liberty an the pursuit of happiness are only realized when strong men of character (and yes comedy) stand up to make them true.
A lot is lost in your silence, but much more is gained.
Stand your ground.
Report thisBy SamSnedegar, December 24, 2007 at 4:22 am Link to this comment
Oh come on people.
$100K writers are striking to get $150K? Be like CEOs striking because 100 million dollars a year isn’t enough for them. Real union members only strike because the company isn’t paying them enough to put food on their families, and you want to support these pampered morons who have to use beepers to get laughs because someone said ‘FUCK?’
I say they should Reagan them (like they were ever as important as air traffic controllers) and fire the lot of them and get some writers who are glad to have a job and want to please the viewers and not the white house.
But as a matter of fact, the Daily Show is off more than it is on; they do about 20 minutes a day, only 4 days a week, and of that some eight minutes is spent pandering to——ironically——WRITERS! And they hardly ever fill a full month before they go to reruns and take a long vacation.
Oh, I enjoy their biting wit as much as anyone alive I suspect, but I can do without it by just watching the moron in the white house trying to pretend he ever has had a cogent thought. If you really want funny, then watch CSPAN Senate and look for Harry Reid who is funnier than Jackie Gleason ever was.
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And, Louise, your idea is BRILLIANT!
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Praise the Lord! And, not a moment too soon!
We need some coverage on the Cheney meth lab explosion in the Eisenhower Office Building! I heard it was Addington in the mens room with some crack and the the meth fumes and what-not. You know, the bong hits for Jesus thing run flammably amuck.
We need a return of our responsible journalists to continue the Lord’s work of unbiased reporting of this venue of super important news.
Report thisBy misty, December 23, 2007 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, yes, yes, Louise
Report thisBy Outraged, December 22, 2007 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment
There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. For one thing Colbert and Stewert may have contracts which may put them in an extremely precarious position.
Two, it shows the backlash of corporate America to any who stand up to them. Now they are AGAIN using the divide and conquer (and quite possibly just a facade of it) to make it “appear” that Colbert and Stewart “sold out”. Get the facts before making any hasty judgements. Hasty judgements which are the equivalent of REACTIVE as opposed to PROACTIVE are a tactic. When this TACTIC works they laugh all the way to the bank.
As to unions being “fat cats”, there is an element of truth to this, however the unions were infiltrated by big business interests. Certainly there were those who were willing to be bought. But that in and of itself would not have lead to the complete and utter shambles which were made of unions at the hands of corporate interests in the political arena. Unions GOOD, big corporations BAD, end of story.
Thirdly, this issue highlights the NOW common tactic of corporate interests requiring TWO OR THREE TIMES the work for the SAME pay. Looks like its hitting middle America in a serious way now. Prior to this middle America was mainly watching as the lower ranks “disappeared”. Who did middle America think the corporations were going to use to fill those ranks? You guessed it folks….. and the immigrants were just a tool used to undermine the lower ranks. Now the lower ranks, if the middle doesn’t “buck up” will be used to replace them. Of course at less than half the cost.
We’re all in this together is RIGHT, an understatement, but undenialbly accurate. STICK TOGETHER, THAT IS THEIR WORST NIGHTMARE. And remember, there’s more of us than there is of them….we can shut them down, don’t EVER even think we can’t. I think of corporate America in biblical terms: (paraphrased) “They whitewash the outside but the inside is full of dead men’s bones.”
and remember, it’s always darkest before the dawn…...
Report thisBy Camis, December 22, 2007 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment
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Like others here, I have long felt that Stewart and Colbert were the only people worth watching. I love what they do, I totally miss them now.
I am absolutely shocked that are crossing the picket line, whatever their justification may be. If THESE guys won’t support the working people of this country, then the great glimmer of hope they gave us - is gone.
Report thisBy Frank Cajon, December 22, 2007 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment
Prior to the strike, I enjoyed watching both of these guys and their witty shows every night-and never watch Leno or Letterman. It is a real disappointment that they are in effect scabs, betraying the writers that helped make them icons in American comedy and political satire. Unions are not pure as driven snow, but without the organized labor movement most of the workers of this country would still be working 18 hour shifts for wages a fraction of what they are now and spending it at the ‘company store’ trying to avoid starvation. Shame on Colbert and Stewart and their producers.
Report thisBy JimBob, December 22, 2007 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment
Colbert and Stewart’s liberal credentials are shot to hell if they go back on the air. They’ll have writers, i.e. the ones who have no shame and “go fi-core” which means they’ll give up the right to vote in WGA elections but not their pension and health benefits, and can go to work without officially “crossing the picket line.” It’s a form of legalized scabbing; I don’t know where it came from or what misguided legislators made it into law, but it is nothing but scabbing. Colbert, Stewart, I love you both and I miss your shows; I’m a loyal and constant fan, but you cannot do this thing and spend your air time scoffing at the companies and making jokes about George Bush without looking like TOTAL hypocrites.
Report thisSorry, but it’s true. Man up, guys.
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Here, here, Louise. I like it.
Report thisBy laughoutloud, December 22, 2007 at 10:19 am Link to this comment
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Unions are an ineffective relic of the past.
I was union for a few years in my early 20’s, and it was a joke, never again.
There are better solutions to labour problems than fat cat union lawyers.
Report thisBy Louise, December 22, 2007 at 9:33 am Link to this comment
“In a statement, the two hosts said they would prefer to return to work with their writers. If we cannot, we would like to express our ambivalence, but without our writers we are unable to express something as nuanced as ambivalence, they stated.”
“Booking guests may not be easy because some entertainers and presidential candidates have refused to cross picket lines.”
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Well then, here’s an idea. Why don’t they go ahead and have their shows with the striking WRITERS as guests?
I suspect there are enough of them [striking writers I mean] to keep the shows going for months to come. And since the writers are actually the ones who come up with the brilliant lines that make the shows so successful, they should be able to come up with enough unscripted, and off the wall comments to keep things going at a pretty good clip.
Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert could just go outside and invite the picketers of the day to come on in.
The only question would be, can the writers guest appear on TV shows?
Why not? Seems like an excellent venue to get their message across.
Why cant they, as long as they don’t write down whatever they may say in advance, or provide the shows host with any advance script, outline or dialogue?
Of course this would present an element of risk, but since when were Stewart and Colbert unwilling to take risks?
I know this could open the possibility that some things unfit for TV might be said [if there is anything left that’s unfit for TV] but they’ve always got the ten second delay.
I think this is a good and workable solution. Why hasn’t anyone thought of it?
Report thisBy jbart, December 22, 2007 at 8:41 am Link to this comment
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Although not a “unionist”, I truly understand the need/justification for workers to unite. Mainly for strength, but also for the sense of “we’re all in this together”. I totally agree with what these guys are doing by coming back “on air”. We need “truth” in reporting, albeit in this case through the medium of comedy, more now than ever.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, December 22, 2007 at 7:50 am Link to this comment
As a Union tradesman, I know the importance of a no strike clause when certain thresholds are reached, if Hospitals and schools operations are threatened, power and infrastructure repairs that could envolve life threatening situations i.e. heat or power in winter. I know few if any union tradesmen who would not trample the picket line if critical work was needed.
With the deteriorating state of the free press in America, the more avenues covering news albeit alternative news, the better. The MSM press is a farce and censorship of objective media is increasing.
I for one say give them a pass as we are on the eve of the New Hampshire primaries and need a different voice to hear the news with.
Report thisBy Jaded Prole, December 22, 2007 at 4:31 am Link to this comment
It is a shame they have agreed to cross the picket line but we don’t have to watch them and can certainly no support their advertisers until the strike is settled.
Should we give in to temptation, it will be interesting to see what they do or what they can do without the writers.
Report thisBy Lawrence Fung, December 22, 2007 at 1:13 am Link to this comment
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Why in the world are Leno and O’Brien “crossing the picket line” while Colbert and Stewart “on the comeback track?” Isn’t it the exact same thing in principle/consequence? Where’s Eugene Debs when you need him.
Report thisBy Ronald Vermette, December 21, 2007 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment
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America sorely misses the Daily Show. Hopefully the best writers for it will sneak some anonymous writings under his door.
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