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Purpose and PredictabilityPosted on Nov 5, 2007
“Lions for Lambs” is certainly an ambitious movie. First of all, it features the ambitious starring lineup of Robert Redford, Meryl Streep and Tom Cruise, whose distinctive faces gaze out of the film’s black-and-white promotional posters with gravitas and purpose. (Indeed, purpose is the key term in this big-screen morality tale, if you couldn’t tell from its hortatory tag line: “If you don’t stand for something, you might fall for anything.") Plus, Redford flexes his talents behind the camera as the drama’s director, taking on some seriously ambitious material in this timely story about, on the broadest level, contemporary America at war in Iraq and Afghanistan. On the level of character, it’s about making meaningful life decisions in situations that don’t exactly offer flashing lights to point the way to heroism, success or even basic survival. With all these potent ingredients in the mix, it’s too bad that “Lions for Lambs” just isn’t a very good movie. “Lambs” opens with an American television report blaring the latest news about the Iraq war and quickly sets up the three main narratives braided together throughout the film. We meet Todd Hayes, a disaffected yet promising student (played by Andrew Garfield) at a generic California university, who’s called in by his political science professor, Vietnam veteran Stephen “Doc” Malley (Redford), for a gauntlet-throwing meeting about Todd’s spotty attendance and gradual disengagement from a course he once galvanized with the kind of in-class displays of civil disobedience that aspiring academics only dream about before their “O Captain! My Captain!” fantasies give way to “publish or perish” realities. We also watch Janine Roth (Streep), once a hard-hitting Washington journalist, as she unwittingly steps into an exclusive interview with slick Sen. Jasper Irving (Cruise), the same Republican wunderkind she talked up in a flattering national magazine piece years before, when her high-profile mainstream media affiliation seemed more like an asset than a liability. No slouch when it comes to working the press to his advantage, Irving tells Roth he’s looking to repay her favor with a big scoop about America’s troops in the “war against terror.” Sen. Irving’s hard sell initially seems to hit its mark as, despite her verbal jousting skills and her zingers about President George W. Bush’s diplomatic disasters since 9/11, Roth can’t fully disguise her susceptibility to Irving’s polished rhetoric. She’s at least momentarily held captive on the senator’s turf, surrounded by his (awkwardly Photoshopped) career-highlight snapshots with Bush II, Condoleezza Rice and Dick Cheney—as though Irving’s tailored waistcoat, practiced talking points and glad-handing official credentials weren’t sufficiently obvious indicators of his vaunted position within this particular administration. Irving tells Roth of a new U.S. military combat tactic, which bears more than a passing resemblance to a strategy she critiqued as a budding journalist covering the Vietnam War. Roth is spooked by Irving’s performance but maintains a measure of composure, filling her reporter’s notebook with jibberish during their hour-long session, except for one telling phrase she earmarks as the most important take-away about his party’s future intentions: “Whatever it takes.” The thread pulling these seemingly disparate story lines together plays out in the brothers-in-arms subplot about Arian Finch (Derek Luke) and Ernest Rodriguez (Michael Peña), an African American soldier and a Latino soldier, respectively. As “Doc” tells Todd during their heart-to-heart session, Finch and Rodriguez were once hard-working students who had learned a thing or two from the school of hard knocks, and yet, to their mentor’s chagrin, they both decided to ship out to Afghanistan as members of the U.S. military special forces, arguing that their future prospects would only be enhanced by their sacrifice, should they survive their tours of duty. Their scenes are clearly designed for maximum emotional effect, drawing on flashbacks to their impassioned testimonies in Doc’s class to add weight to their dramatic denouement—which at once comes closest to hitting the story’s sweet spot and underscores the film’s failure to make good on its initial promise. (This shortcoming isn’t at all helped by the fact that Finch and Rodriguez are unceremoniously plopped down in a rather goofy setting for the bulk of their most compelling scenes, on an Afghan mountaintop dusted with faux snow and overrun by shadowy Taliban figures in the background.) Sure, it’s easy to sniff at a Hollywood production aiming to make a coherent point about an ongoing and complex conflict that’s still playing out on the world stage, with no signs of resolution soon and no shortage of fresh horror appearing in headlines and on screens of all sizes every day. After all, given filmmaking conventions and production timelines, the odds are stacked against any dramatization of current events achieving some semblance of intelligibility within 88 minutes of footage cobbled together to form a finished product long before reality could easily make a mockery of its driving premise. All the same, anyone who plunks down the $10 or so required to take in a film like “Lions for Lambs” these days might be looking for this kind of movie to offer some insights that she or he couldn’t find by switching on the nightly news or surfing the Internet. And this fall’s Hollywood films that attempt to deal with battles abroad and at home—“In the Valley of Elah,” “Rendition” and now “Lions for Lambs,” to name the main headline-grabbers—carry a particular burden because of their subject matter and the timing of their release. But do they deliver? In the case of “Lions for Lambs”—the first offering from the newly resuscitated United Artists studio—the answer is no. Redford, Sundance’s patron saint, can’t make his character into anything more than a shopworn figure we’ve all seen many times before. Nor can actress extraordinaire Streep, who gets by here by pretending she’s taking part in a much more interesting movie, adding some amusing quirks for no apparent reason. The only actor who seems well suited for his appointed role is Cruise, all set of jaw and flared of nostril, assuredly creepy in a way that adds to his character’s credibility.
Ultimately, the combined star power of these top-billers isn’t enough to draw moviegoers into theaters. By the time the closing credits of “Lions for Lambs” roll, audience members who hoped for an enriching experience are likely to be feeling as in the dark as they were when the lights first went down. Big stars and a big story add up here to a big movie that treads a predictable path at a time when we could really use original and effective stories about the state of our world—no matter where they come from.
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By mississippimedicineman, November 19, 2007 at 2:19 pm #
Second comment:Regarding the review. How it was chosen seems to be a mystery.The lady is not known to be a major reviewer. In paragraph 7--line 4--, she apparently decides to make up a word jibberish.I cannot find this in any dictionary. I think she is looking for gibberish.Gibberish is a verbal"word salad” of illogical sounds.It is not written.Thus, the lady 1.Writes a bad review 2.Does not recognize shorthand 3.Makes up words 4. Does not know gibberish is a verbal phenomenon. Hard to take seriously and I wonder why the editors let it appear.
Report thisBy Michael S, November 17, 2007 at 2:27 pm #
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Strange that a reporter would refer to reporter’s shorthand as “jibberish.” When her notebook is displayed, showing the “WHATEVER IT TAKES” comment, the other notes are clearly too ordered and symbolic to be gibberish. Close examination reveals them to be shorthand. This is not exactly trivial because it certainly changes what the viewer is to understand Roth’s intentions to be during the interview. Either she is a good reporter there to report a possible story (not gibberish) or she is onto Irving’s BS from the start and won’t bother reporting anything (gibberish). If she has written only gibberish then the “WHATEVER IT TAKES” comment has no context and none of the article can be written.
Report thisBy Tony Christini, November 14, 2007 at 10:52 am #
In 2002, journalist and filmmaker John Pilger noted ("Hollywood Hurrah"):
“Following the Vietnam war, in which around five million Vietnamese were killed during the American invasion, and their land was destroyed and poisoned by American weapons of mass destruction, Hollywood came to the rescue with a string of Rambo-and-angst films that invited the audience to pity the invader. These films provided a cultural purgative that helped clear the way for America to mount other Vietnams - in El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Somalia and elsewhere. The current war on terrorism is underpinned by the same Hollywood caricatures. Films like Black Hawk Down, which promotes a mendacious version of Americas killing spree in Somalia, act as cultural softeners before the bombing starts again for real.
“Even in finely crafted films like The Deer Hunter and Platoon that look as if they might break ranks, there is an implicit oath of loyalty to imperial culture. This was true of Three Kings, a movie that seemed to take issue with the Gulf war, but instead produced a familiar bad apple tale, exonerating the militarism that is now rampant. So dominant is Hollywood in our lives, and so collusive are its camp-following critics, that the films that ought to have been made are unmentionable. Name the mainstream movies that have shone light on to the vast shadow thrown by the American secret state, and the mayhem for which it is responsible. I can think of only a few: Costa-Gavrass Missing, which was about the destruction of the elected government in Chile by General Pinochets puppet masters in Washington, and Oliver Stones Salvador, which made the connection between Reagans Washington and El Salvadors death squads. Both these films were quirks of the system, funded with great difficulty and, in the case of Missing, dogged by vengeful court actions.
“The slaughter of up to 8,000 urban poor in George Bush Srs attack on Panama in 1990 would make a fine action movie. And why not a sequel to Black Hawk Down, this time with the 8,000-10,000 Somali dead (a CIA estimate) who were airbrushed from the original? Or how about a David and Goliath epic set in modern Palestine, with young Palestinians facing down American tanks and warplanes operated by Israelis?”
I haven’t had a chance to see much of the recent crop of Iraq war films, but I’ve seen very little in the reviews that indicates much change from what Pilger observed. In light of Iraq war films (Afghanistan war, etc), his observation is the one most worth contesting or exploring.
Report thisBy RdV, November 14, 2007 at 9:40 am #
During a time when Hollywood has been cowed by un-patriotic charges and has been complicit in creating the anti-Arab-Muslim image as evil terror--reinforcing the Neo-Con agenda, one would hope that a message speaking truth to power would not be trashed by petty dismissal. True, the entertainment industry has been dumbed down, but it has a honorable history of producing an extensive body of social commentary through the medium--and I for one, applaud the return to relevent issues--even if they are painful, uncomfortable and not particularly flattering to our puffed up opinion of ourselves.
Report thisBy RdV, November 14, 2007 at 9:29 am #
Haven’t seen the movie yet but the review didn’t really provide any insight.
What was the point? The critic flexing her critical muscle?
Report thisBy hadley, November 14, 2007 at 9:12 am #
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“....The Meryl Streep character sounds a bit like the former New York Times reporter Judith Miller who was a conduit for Bush-Cheney administration people to send out false info and propaganda about Iraqs weapons of mass destruction”.
I don’t agree with this reviewer either, I came out of the theatre ‘stunned’ with the message and how Redford ‘braided’ the 3 scenerios into a reflection of our times, our lives in the US--AT THIS TIME.
Granted, perhaps the only people who will immediately ‘get it’ might be ‘newsies’...but what a gift we have been given with the exposure of these 3 scenerios, and others that are playing out in our society constantly, everyday--24 hrs a day, btw.
There has been no mention that this film was released on Veterens’ Day weekend. I viewed this film with a Viet Nam Veteren—he hasn’t been the same since. All this retoric/yada yada yada all week-end--and truths-be-told about the ratio of suicides and homeless in this country with recent Iraqi/Afghanistan Vets...I would think this movie would receive the highest honors--politically correct reviewers be damned.
Since when is Redford part of the system anyway? Get a grip, see the movie and get active.
Report thisBy witkacy, November 14, 2007 at 7:57 am #
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Am I the only one who has found Robert Redford as director to be a big damned mainstream milquetoast bore?
Lions for Lambs (2007)
The Legend of Bagger Vance (2000)
The Horse Whisperer (1998)
Quiz Show (1994)
A River Runs Through It (1992)
The Milagro Beanfield War (1988)
Ordinary People (1980)
I haven’t seen Lions For Lambs, but I’ve wasted enough time with auteur Redford in the past. And “Redford” and “Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts” seem a priori incompatible. There is no way to bring across the horror and amorality of the Iraq invasion without offending and shaking things up--which I’d sooner expect with DePalma’s Redacted (on the basis of Casualties of War) than from Redford’s film...We need milquetoast liberal movie stars - who tread so lightly, even when they think they’re risking stridency - like we need a hole in the head, right now: Where are the hell are the young Haskell Wexlers, John Sayles, or Peter Watkins??
Report thisBy Elizabeth Liddell, November 14, 2007 at 7:41 am #
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I don’t think Meryl Streep’s character was writing gibberish - I think that was shorthand.
Report thisBy Donna Bubb, November 13, 2007 at 7:16 pm #
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Lions for Lambs—a good movie. Go see it. It
Report thishas depth to it and asks that you watch, listen, and
think seriously about how each character responds to
the challenge of telling the truth in a time of war
when truth is supremely sacrificed for power. How
do truth-loving Americans respond—doing something
or doing nothing.
By Donna Bubb, November 13, 2007 at 6:44 pm #
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Enjoyed the movie thoroughly. Redford’s film is
Report thisa challenge to stop, look, listen, and seriously think about the mess we’re all in from a greedy, lying, corrupt military industrial media complex.
And to ask ourselves honestly: what am I doing to
change things? Each of his characters responds in
ways we are all too familiar with. This is a reflec-
tive type of movie appealing to those of us who see
the many sides of the mess and wonder when we will
take the important step to do something about fixing
it.
By Tony Christini, November 12, 2007 at 12:29 pm #
As for these comments below by mmm, this “Excellent civics lesson that” the film is said to “illuminate” - these “lessons” are also false, contrary to fact; thus, if the film actually is perpetuating these views, it’s quite typical of Hollywood productions in perpetuating such crucial falsehoods:
“1.The militaristic response to terroism articulated in a searing performance by Tom Cruise-parts of his view are shared by almost everyone”
In fact, no, not essentially, quite the opposite - unless “everyone” here refers to state-corporate US officials. These officials don’t share the popular (and by far the most effective) view of how to deal with terrorism, which is police work, not militarism.
“2.The changing nature of the free press complicated by its need for access to powerful figures and the take over of this means of communication by corporate America”
The “changing nature”? That should be the essentially “unchanging and unchanged nature” of...not the “free press” - the corporate media - which cannot be “taken over” by corporate America, because it is corporate America.
“3.The fate of those who choose to participate directly militarily in the terroism fight.The apathy and ambiguity of the young and most of the nation.”
There is no terrorism fight. In fact, even the CIA has reported that US military aggression in the middle east is fomenting terrorism, providing fertile grounds for its growth. The same holds for longstanding US economic pressures. Attacking Iraq and Afghanistan serves to increase growth of terrorism, by way of the US fight to gain control of oil that rages and threatens to increase.
As for “apathy and ambiguity of the young and most of the nation” - the point is, compared to what? Compared to US corporate-state officials “the young and most of the nation” are far from apathetic, they are outraged, far from ambiguous, they tried to elect what they thought were antiwar officials, and then seeing them continue fueling the war they give all the officials some of the lowest approval ratings of all time. You don’t have to look too far - though apparently much farther than Lions for Lambs - to see that masses of unfortunately forcefully disorganized people are boiling at what is going on. Ron Paul, for one, is raking in the money because of it - for one indicator. And for another, it’s clear again this election cycle that all the leading corporate produced candidates basically disgust most people. People are disorganized and purposefully and very forcefully and willfully misled - that’s a problem. And yet boiling en masse, often for good reason. To this point, unfortunately, to little avail.
Just so, much illumination of crucial reality is often the first thing sacrificed in many a (perhaps otherwise brilliant) run-of-the-mill Hollywood movie, the type of movie that basically serves to reinforce an unjust reality while perpetuating false or severely limited views of it.
Report thisBy Tony Christini, November 12, 2007 at 12:00 pm #
“After all, given filmmaking conventions and production timelines, the odds are stacked against any dramatization of current events achieving some semblance of intelligibility within 88 minutes of footage cobbled together to form a finished product long before reality could easily make a mockery of its driving premise.”
The claim above is false. For example I wrote an investigative anti Iraq war novel within the first six months of the March 2003 ground invasion, and nothing in it is outdated. I got the facts correct then and they still apply today - only moreso. Its called doing the root research.
Similar to Anderson, Chris Stephen notes:
“[Black Watch director John] Tiffany thinks directors are barking up the wrong tree if they think in terms of movies-with-a-message. ‘Dont kid yourself that you can change the world through art,’ he says. ‘You cant tell an audience what to think - all you can give is a greater understanding’.”
Right, and advertising has zero effect on audiences, doesnt affect peoples thinking at all, which is why corporations spend a monstrous amount on it. No message there. Dont buy our product! And educational films and books dont educate and affect what people think, which is why textbooks are so zealously regulated and censored by the culture police, etc, ad nauseum. There are no messages in getting crucial facts and analyses right. It could mean anything! Knowledge and drama that reveals powerfully the illegal and immoral nature of the US invasion and occupation of Iraq would never be used to stop the ongoing crime and bring those who carried it out to justice! That would make too much sense. So Hollywood, following Tiffanys line of thought, must not produce it. Not because its too threatening to the powers that be, as it is, but because whatever is too threatening to the powers that be is inherently not entertaining - nobody is moved in film by anyone being brought to justice, or by ending great wrongs. Thats boring!
Obviously Tiffanys comments are contradictory. Well-placed and well-analyzed and well-dramatized facts carry messages and have certain rather predictable effects that experiences lacking that sort of thing dont. All movies, etc, have such messages. Better to know what youre doing, and that you are doing something, and be responsible for it, than not.
And Chris Stephens is as mistaken as Kasia Anderson when he guesses,
“But perhaps the greatest problem facing Hollywood is that reality keeps outpacing fiction.”
Yet somehow with scant resources beyond the “activist” reporting and analyses found on the internet, along with some facts marginally reported in corporate media, I was able to write an investigative anti Iraq war novel during the 2003 ground invasion that is not outdated today and will never be outdated, because the facts that basically structure the drama are central and accurate, not only to the Iraq War but to much US policy and private US reality long past, very much present, with serious effects, at the least, that will be felt for a long time to come. It’s not at all as if the conflict in Iraq is some brand new phenomenon that has suddenly blown in from nowhere, or is somehow murky in its central and even peripheral features. The exact opposite is true.
Thus the problem in producing quality and fully illuminating films is totally not that “reality keeps outpacing fiction.” The problem is that such quality fiction can too easily keep up with a reality that continues to play out its old themes along traditional power lines, long since overtly articulated and investigated (however marginalized in its attempted burial by corporate-state power). And corporate America (Hollywood) is loathe to touch such reality-illuminating fiction. Corporate-state America is not going to condemn its own transgressions; not when there’s a profit to be made, at least; and is there ever - if perhaps somewhat less in certain types of would-be “entertainment”.
Report thisBy mississippimedicineman, November 12, 2007 at 7:36 am #
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Strong disagreement with review of Lions for Lambs.
Report thisExcellent civics lesson that illiminates:
1.The militaristic response to terroism articulated in a searing performance by Tom Cruise-parts of his view are shared by almost everyone
2.The changing nature of the free press complicated by its need for access to powerful figures and the take over of this means of communication by corporate America
3.The fate of those who choose to participate directly militarily in the terroism fight.The apathy and ambiguity of the young and most of the nation.
Clearly a 4 star film with fabulous performances-a strong articulate script with all points of view aired and a blistering pace.
By jim, November 11, 2007 at 4:23 pm #
I liked what Kasia had to say. It was well written!
Report thisWe need more.
By Ron, November 11, 2007 at 9:40 am #
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#112715 by J.Jones on 11/10 at 5:00 am writes, “Have Americans finally gotten so stupid that they need everything in movie format, boiled down to 2 hours?”
At the rate the industry is moving, soon it will be down to 15 minutes. Does that answer your question, JJ? Call it the “Dumbing Down of America.” It started with the election (or should I say the “court appointment") of a president who can’t read a comic book without moving his lips.
It seems today’s film editors grew up watching nothing but music videos on MTV. Previews and promos try to cram the entire movie into a 20-second time frame, flashing so many images at you, you can’t focus on them. It gives me a headache, and I have to turn away or change channels. In one film I saw (the chase sequence in THE BOURNE SUPREMACY), it appeared as though they had chopped the film up into tiny pieces and tossed ‘em in the air and then spliced all the pieces back together. That film is not in my library. It made the shower scene in “PSYCHO” look like it was shot in slow motion. Sure explains why so many kids today are being treated for Attention Deficit Disorder.
It reminds of something that happened back in the 50s. Theater chains discovered “subliminal advertising.” During the previews, they would insert one frame into the movie that said “DRINK COKE” or “VISIT THE SNACKBAR,” causing a stampede to the lobby. As I recalled, this was declared illegal and it stopped...for a while. Today, it’s used on the networks and in movies with wild abandon.
After some really clever guy received an Oscar for developing the “Steadycam,” another brainchild decided that it looked much more real if they used handheld cameras (mounted on the shoulder and operated with handlebar grips) with lots of movement. LAW & ORDER began using it to save on shooting time and the number of setups. Now, it’s everywhere. You’d think that most of these cameramen have the DTs.
I have the greatest respect for Redford and Streep, but could live the rest of my life without ever seeing another film with Tom Cruise. I’ll definitely see this film and judge for myself. Usually, if the critics hate it, I like it. Go figure.
Report thisBy Mar Del Zur, November 10, 2007 at 3:11 pm #
Not interested anyway...Tom Cruise, like Mel Gibson, gets not a penny from me.
Report thisBy Verne Arnold, November 10, 2007 at 5:26 am #
How can one comment on a comment of a movie unseen?
Report thisBy J.Jones, November 10, 2007 at 5:00 am #
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Have Americans finally gotten so stupid that they need everything in movie format, boiled down to 2 hours?
How much entertaining did the founding fathers need to finally start shooting British soldiers?
Report thisBy Tony Christini, November 9, 2007 at 1:40 pm #
Tell me, which Hollywood studio will produce these Mainstay Press / Lib Lit productions?:
The Publisher - by Joe Emersberger:
A Canadian newspaper publisher confronts his complicity in the Canadian, US and corporate backed coup and mass murder in Haiti.
Storyteller and East Timor - by Andre Vltchek:
On a ship leaving East Timor, a wrenching conversation about the US-backed Indonesian conquest and slaughter of East Timorese.
Homefront, a novel:
Exposes the religious and academic, corporate and governmental forces that built support for the US invasion of Iraq and continue to maintain the occupation that has been judged to be illegal by the head of the United Nations and legal experts across America and the globe, and has had the predicted effect of increasing the likelihood of attack against America, and was based on fraud as known in advance, and meanwhile has killed thousands of American troops, and has wounded or debilitated tens of thousands of others, and has killed upwards of 1,000,000 Iraqis, maimed countless others, and created millions of refugees while destroying their country? Where are the didactic, polemic, partisan novels and films on the fundamentally criminal nature of the ongoing American aggression in Iraq?
Big Hollywood money doesn’t care. Any Little Hollywood money that does, doesn’t dare.
In the LA Times, Ann Donahue reports:
“On Friday, the megawatt-star-powered Lions for Lambs opens. Will it be the one to break the [Iraq War] box office curse and give credence to early Oscar buzz? If Robert Redford, Tom Cruise and Meryl Streep cant get it over $100 million, I dont know what can, Hartigan said. But reports that the film is too preachy could sink its chances. Americans are extremely unhappy about this war youve got to be awfully clever to get them to buy it as entertainment, [said historian and critic David Thomson].”
And therein lies Hollywoods debasement. Such awful cleverness doesnt deserve to work. People dont see the war as entertainment, of course, thus they dont want to be clevered awfully into having it turned into entertainment. Most peoples view is partisan, and rightly so, thus it follows that they would respond to partisan movies, even polemic movies, not entertainments. But entertainment is about all that corporate dollars are willing to fund, advertise, allow. The corporate censorship of and over American culture continues. And what of Truthdig’s capacity for imaginative works and fiction and film coverage? Does it do but little more?
Liberation Lit: http://liblit.org
Report thisBy Tony Christini, November 9, 2007 at 7:01 am #
“...at a time when we could really use original and effective stories about the state of our world - no matter where they come from.”
Such stories come from Mainstay Press and its fiction journal Liberation Lit, should any publication care to look or otherwise deign to notice: http://liblit.org/
Report thisBy Hammo, November 9, 2007 at 6:52 am #
The Meryl Streep character sounds a bit like the former New York Times reporter Judith Miller who was a conduit for Bush-Cheney administration people to send out false info and propaganda about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.
Miller’s articles reportedly were significant in helping push others in the media, Congress and the American people toward the invasion and occupation of Iraq by the Bush-Cheney administration and their associates.
Info on this in the article ...
“Society of Professional Journalists Award to Judith Miller Helps Cover-Up?” (Oct. 27, 2005)
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle. asp?articleID=3287
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